Post-Game Talk: We Lost. Again. 52 Shots For. Small Building Steps. Can't Complain

[Menzinger]

SOG is an over-rated stat as is the +/- rating in general. 50 shots is basically shooting the puck from anywhere, yeah Price was peppered with shots but how many of them were actual threats (scoring chances) and how many of them were easy enough to pad a goalie's stats?

Not every shot is a scoring chance if the area they are shooting from is a low percentage area. That's like saying I took 60 shots at a team and 40 of those shots were from centre ice.

While the habs were tired, it's not entirely an excuse as they should have done a better job at preventing all those shots, but 50 shots is not a telling stat, it just means, they were shooting from everywhere.

The eye test would tell you there were plenty of scoring chances among those 50+ shots.

and abstractly speaking even so called "low quality" shots can lead to scoring chances via rebounds.

You're acting as if Price was getting peppered by shots from centre ice, which clearly wasn't the case. Having a goalie face 50 shots in just 60 minutes of game time is never a good thing.

 

[Erdinger]

So are you saying Price isn't that good because of the poor quality shots he faces?

That was great. Seems Habs fans want everybody to acknowledge that Price is a great goalie which I totally agree with but then minimize his importance to the team overall.

 

[91Kadri91*]

SOG is an over-rated stat as is the +/- rating in general. 50 shots is basically shooting the puck from anywhere, yeah Price was peppered with shots but how many of them were actual threats (scoring chances) and how many of them were easy enough to pad a goalie's stats?

Not every shot is a scoring chance if the area they are shooting from is a low percentage area. That's like saying I took 60 shots at a team and 40 of those shots were from centre ice.

While the habs were tired, it's not entirely an excuse as they should have done a better job at preventing all those shots, but 50 shots is not a telling stat, it just means, they were shooting from everywhere.

Here you go:

16 high-danger scoring chances for, 10 against; 45 scoring chances for, 17 against.

http://war-on-ice.com/game.html?mansit=2&scoresit=2&tab=1&seasongcode=2015201620108

 

[bobermay]

SOG is an over-rated stat as is the +/- rating in general. 50 shots is basically shooting the puck from anywhere, yeah Price was peppered with shots but how many of them were actual threats (scoring chances) and how many of them were easy enough to pad a goalie's stats?

Not every shot is a scoring chance if the area they are shooting from is a low percentage area. That's like saying I took 60 shots at a team and 40 of those shots were from centre ice.

While the habs were tired, it's not entirely an excuse as they should have done a better job at preventing all those shots, but 50 shots is not a telling stat, it just means, they were shooting from everywhere.

Did I seriously just read this? Really??

 

[Leafidelity]

 

[BoardsOfFun]

A team that allows an awful Leafs team to put up 50 shots against them isn't playing very well.

most teams that play 2 games in 2 nights suffer the 2nd nite, though its early in the season and the players should be fresher (?)

 

[91Kadri91*]

 

[Gramsci]

9 out of 27 shots that Bernier faced was of the high danger variety. The Habs almost matched us there. We didn't do a good job of cutting down quality scoring chances, we did a good job of limiting bad shots and moving the puck out again.

That's below league average. The Leafs weren't in any way leaky on high danger shots.

http://war-on-ice.com/teamtable.html

By that table, Montreal has one of the lowest averages in the league at 9.5 HSCF/60. Bernier was not tested in any way other than a totally average night.

 

[stavs*]

SOG is an over-rated stat as is the +/- rating in general. 50 shots is basically shooting the puck from anywhere, yeah Price was peppered with shots but how many of them were actual threats (scoring chances) and how many of them were easy enough to pad a goalie's stats?

Not every shot is a scoring chance if the area they are shooting from is a low percentage area. That's like saying I took 60 shots at a team and 40 of those shots were from centre ice.

While the habs were tired, it's not entirely an excuse as they should have done a better job at preventing all those shots, but 50 shots is not a telling stat, it just means, they were shooting from everywhere.

I remember when Leafs were getting out shot every game but still managed to win games. Lets just say that was not long lasting and we eventually started losing more games. Shots on goal is an important stat.

 

[Slot]

I remember when Leafs were getting out shot every game but still managed to win games. Lets just say that was not long lasting and we eventually started losing more games. Shots on goal is an important stat.

I also remember quality of shot was brought up over and over as a reason why we were winning all those games. Didn't pan out so well in the long run.

 

[Menzinger]

I also remember quality of shot was brought up over and over as a reason why we were winning all those games. Didn't pan out so well in the long run.

Flames and Avs fans also tried to rely on the "shot quality" excuse in years past - it never lasts.

 

[Slot]

Flames and Avs fans also tried to rely on the "shot quality" excuse in years past - it never lasts.

Darn that regression to the mean crud.

 

[The Blue Devil]

We are reducing shots, but the critical mistakes are still just as bad. Far too many bad penalties (partially due to the refs) last game that led to two PPG's. That is not on Bernier. A SHG that was a 2 on 1 that should never happen. A bad rebound goal where our defense was absolutely undressed and an own goal off our own team's skate. So which ones should Bernier have stopped?

The way I look at it is the team as a whole is not getting it done. Three of the five games Bernier has been .929+, and the two he was not the team sucked, specifically the PK.

Those are poor excuses. Should we allow a 2 on 1 on a PP, definitely not, but that doesn't excuse Bernier for letting the shot go right through him. He's not good, neither of our goalies are, I don't see why some feel the need to go to the ends of the Earth to defend either of them.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Those are poor excuses. Should we allow a 2 on 1 on a PP, definitely not, but that doesn't excuse Bernier for letting the shot go right through him. He's not good, neither of our goalies are, I don't see why some feel the need to go to the ends of the Earth to defend either of them.

Agreed.

 

[Menzinger]

most teams that play 2 games in 2 nights suffer the 2nd nite, though its early in the season and the players should be fresher (?)

That's fair - but 50 shots against is anomaly high. That's not normal, even for a team having to play back to back games.

 

[mikebel111*]

Hold on isnt this what Randy used to say or his system was.
Who cares about shots allowed, its where the shots were from that matter. Yeah how did that work out for us?

Sorry but I am seeing signs that Habs are falling down to earth or should I say falling back on Price again

 

[91Kadri91*]

Hold on isnt this what Randy used to say or his system was.
Who cares about shots allowed, its where the shots were from that matter. Yeah how did that work out for us?

He may have said it, but he certainly didn't practice it: the Leafs, from the day Randy Carlyle was hired to the day he was fired, surrendered more high-danger (and regular) scoring chances than any other team in the NHL.

 

[cookie]

Facing so many shots is taxing to the goaltender's body as pucks do hit weak spots in the equipment and goalies continually have to adjust positioning in respects to dump-ins and east-west movement.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Flames and Avs fans also tried to rely on the "shot quality" excuse in years past - it never lasts.

Darn that regression to the mean crud.

Nope.
but unlike Flames, and Avs and us - the Habs have Price. so when they crash (and they will - it's just a matter of when) they still won't be bad.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Those are poor excuses. Should we allow a 2 on 1 on a PP, definitely not, but that doesn't excuse Bernier for letting the shot go right through him. He's not good, neither of our goalies are, I don't see why some feel the need to go to the ends of the Earth to defend either of them.

i totally agree.

That's fair - but 50 shots against is anomaly high. That's not normal, even for a team having to play back to back games.

nope.

 

[JEI]

That's fair - but 50 shots against is anomaly high. That's not normal, even for a team having to play back to back games.

And for a team expected to be atop the East vs. a team expected to be at the bottom.

 

[ACC1224]

Good effort, could have won.
Price is amazing, Habs not so much.

 

[Mess]

And for a team expected to be atop the East vs. a team expected to be at the bottom.

The last time Montreal gave up +50 shots against in a game was in 2011 verses the Atlanta Thrashers.

 

[Nithoniniel]

That's below league average. The Leafs weren't in any way leaky on high danger shots.

http://war-on-ice.com/teamtable.html

By that table, Montreal has one of the lowest averages in the league at 9.5 HSCF/60. Bernier was not tested in any way other than a totally average night.

Thank you. The site broke down on me so I had to go with my gut feeling.

Those are poor excuses. Should we allow a 2 on 1 on a PP, definitely not, but that doesn't excuse Bernier for letting the shot go right through him. He's not good, neither of our goalies are, I don't see why some feel the need to go to the ends of the Earth to defend either of them.

Well for me it's because most people take such a radical stance on the subject that even being moderately critical means you end up defending him.

Saying he's not good enough is just fine. Saying he's not an NHL goalie is ridiculous.

 

[ULF_55]

Nope.
but unlike Flames, and Avs and us - the Habs have Price. so when they crash (and they will - it's just a matter of when) they still won't be bad.

They crashed Saturday night.

They were lucky they were playing the Leafs, who were at the top of their game.

Habs were crappy and won, Leafs were good and lost.