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We Have A Gm Problem

The Hawks can’t sign Donato for too much, they need to maintain flexibility so they can move him at 50% if he falters or they need his roster spot for younger players who are developing in the system.
They already tried moving him this TDL and there was no interest for anything valuable at least. I'm glad we kept him. It simultaneously changed nothing in the standings while letting the young players here know they're not playing for a purposeful loser.

There's no urgency or pressing need to gain assets in a Donato trade and there's plenty of roster spots available for him this year, as well as for another season or two after this one.
 
There are several teams that will be looking to dump contracts, so getting to the floor will not be a problem.

That Boeser proposal will be a boat anchor contract by year four, if you are going to overpay him long term, might as well bite the bullet and go all 8n for Marner.
I wonder if they chase after Carey Price's contract
 
for those who think we have a GM problem, I submit you have a patience problem. stay the course, KD
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I don’t think KD has made any glaring mistakes that call for this kind of criticism. The Brodie deal was dumb, I can see how people don’t like the Lev over Demidov pick, and him trading up in the draft early last year.

If you’re going to crucify the guy for those things then you’ve already made up your mind. Davidson is arguably the best GM in Chicago right now.
 
TLDR for those that do not want to read 57 pages of this thread....more Chicago fans lack patience and were okay with finishing 8th-12th worst year after year than anyone realized
 
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I'm saying the franchise has been a clown show and that's a good example, How many franchise have done anything close to this in a mid or big market, in any pro sport? It's not even just the big team. Who hires Eaton to coach the affiliate for a team who's construction is built around coaching prospects up?
It was a clown show when Bowman was out here sending futures out the door for Seth Jones.

I'm not sure how you put the blame on KD though? Eaton did a fine job as a coach, what specifically is your problem with him? A former player can't be a coach?
 
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I don’t think KD has made any glaring mistakes that call for this kind of criticism. The Brodie deal was dumb, I can see how people don’t like the Lev over Demidov pick, and him trading up in the draft early last year.

If you’re going to crucify the guy for those things then you’ve already made up your mind. Davidson is arguably the best GM in Chicago right now.

yep, there have been some miscues. but in the context of the big picture, those miscues are basically noise. teardowns and early stage rebuilds are pretty easy, and KD has done well so far. we're entering a more challenging phase, so hopefully his major decisions are on the mark
 
2 years in on a tank team. It's extremely rare for a coach to survive more than 1.6 years on a bad team, let alone a third year. No excuse to not have had a plan in place before year 3, especially given how the last half of year 2 ended. This is KD having done things other gms do not do, and when they did, it went really poorly. It wasn't as if Chicago was going to uncharted territory.

Trust the new ownership, trust the new gm... and keep justifying random strange decisions...because prospects. got it.

I'm saying the franchise has been a clown show and that's a good example, How many franchise have done anything close to this in a mid or big market, in any pro sport? It's not even just the big team. Who hires Eaton to coach the affiliate for a team who's construction is built around coaching prospects up?
So in short you’d rather be mediocre over rebuilding and trying to get better. Be a flames fan then. The OKC style rebuild is gonna become a lot more popular in sports soon.
 
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So in short you’d rather be mediocre over rebuilding and trying to get better. Be a flames fan then. The OKC style rebuild is gonna become a lot more popular in sports soon.
loooool

rebuilds shouldn't be that hard...try to win, if you cant then completely start over, draft really high for 4-5 years, give it 7 years to pan out and if it doesnt tear it down again and start over...teams drag it out for years going nowhere, flames are a good example...bulls have been in a 15 year retool
 
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rebuilds shouldn't be that hard...try to win, if you cant then completely start over, draft really high for 4-5 years, give it 7 years to pan out and if it doesnt tear it down again and start over...teams drag it out for years going nowhere, flames are a good example...bulls have been in a 15 year retool
If the bulls actually did a rebuild the style KD is going for and what OKC did maybe there would actually be optimism about them. It’s amazing people were hyped over them making a play in series only to get blown the hell out
 
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There's a ton of picks and with that heaps of talent but almost nobody is really identified as a core type player yet, let alone a core type player that knows how to win. There's no system, process, methodology, and by all indications, no real routine in place to build from on the big team right now 4 years in.
I mean when it takes 2-4 years for guys to finally make the NHL and the cupboards were bare to start with yeah its going to take a while to identify your new core. Now that roughly half the team is going to be young guys we can finally start identifying the core pieces. Not sure how drafting more prospects(especially in top 2 rounds) could possibly ever slow that process down.

As for the bolded I'm not sure what it is exactly you would like to see? Once these guys are ready to turn pro the Hawks give them the chance to show they are ready in training camp and in the AHL. Same as it ever was and will be for every team in the league.
 
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Davidson is arguably the best GM in Chicago right now.
Jed Hoyer and his underling laugh at this.

So does Poles.

A guy who manages a team to the crapper two years in a row is better then a GM who not only traded for the best player in the NL currently but also has a team in first place and did his "to the studs, bro" rebuild in two years compared to what looks like a ten year rebuild for the hawks.

The Blackhawks only move forward once Davidson is gone.
 
Jed Hoyer and his underling laugh at this.

So does Poles.

A guy who manages a team to the crapper two years in a row is better then a GM who not only traded for the best player in the NL currently but also has a team in first place and did his "to the studs, bro" rebuild in two years compared to what looks like a ten year rebuild for the hawks.

The Blackhawks only move forward once Davidson is gone.
Go back in your hole.
 
Eaton did a fine job as a coach, what specifically is your problem with him? A former player can't be a coach?
10-12 kids who will be in the NHL, some of whom may be relied on long term and they're going to put them with a guy who never coached any level before. That's not a Eaton problem, that was a poor planning problem. LR lost the team in winter of 24' should have been bodies in place to smooth a very likely transition, staff was still running lean on the top and Danny has shown no aversion to spending money.
I mean when it takes 2-4 years for guys to finally make the NHL and the cupboards were bare to start with yeah its going to take a while to identify your new core. Now that roughly half the team is going to be young guys we can finally start identifying the core pieces. Not sure how drafting more prospects(especially in top 2 rounds) could possibly ever slow that process down.

As for the bolded I'm not sure what it is exactly you would like to see? Once these guys are ready to turn pro the Hawks give them the chance to show they are ready in training camp and in the AHL. Same as it ever was and will be for every team in the league.
Picking by skill should be easy enough for the staff in place but I don't know how you properly identify a core to win with when nobody is playing winning NHL shifts for a long time now. We're going to see alot of ABC line stuff and Kurashev-24' play out.

On the 2nd part, I think Blashill or any type of veteran NHL coach who isn't slamming on the gas for a win today helps address the problem. I'm talking more about the routine, practice, prep, day to day stuff with the big team. The team is not ready to play game to game or period to period for several years now, and I think it's more than just the roller coaster of a team with young players finding their way and consistency.

The only negative about Blashill or a Blashill type hire is that KD was still favoring a new guy.
 
Jed Hoyer and his underling laugh at this.

So does Poles.

A guy who manages a team to the crapper two years in a row is better then a GM who not only traded for the best player in the NL currently but also has a team in first place and did his "to the studs, bro" rebuild in two years compared to what looks like a ten year rebuild for the hawks.

The Blackhawks only move forward once Davidson is gone.
the best contention window Hoyer and Theo had in Chicago was after they did exactly what Davidson is doing right now
 
TLDR for those that do not want to read 57 pages of this thread....more Chicago fans lack patience and were okay with finishing 8th-12th worst year after year than anyone realized
nah this isnt the take. I was fine being bad the year before Bedsy, fine being bad to get Bedsy, was fine being bad last yr. I am done being ok chasing last place in yr 5. He will now have had 4 straight yrs of high picks and lots of top 50 shots. Its time to start moving up
 
and then pretend that yeah some miracle kids are going to replace that output.
Why do people that seemingly want to make a push to the middle act so disingenuous about this thing? "Miracle kids"... where exactly do people think top players in the NHL came from? Did they just pop out of the sky one day as 27 year olds? McDavid, Draisaitl, Barkov, Reinhart, Tkachuck, RNH, Ekblad, Bouchard, Bennett..... once upon a time all of these guys were "miracle kids" and nothing more than draft prospects. All of them went very high in the draft in their respective years. That is how players are initially allocated across the NHL teams. When you have them when the are 18, you have full control of them until they are at least 23, and then more time to do what you want as far as trying to extend them or maybe trade them for something else beneficial. None of those players were in the Stanley Cup Finals when they were 19 years old. You have to wait around for the big lag time between when you draft them and when they all hit their primes, and hopefully by then you are a team also competing for a Staney Cup. That's just how it goes.

Nobody is asking for "miracle child saviors". They are not "magic beans", they are simply just the top prospects and amongst the future "top players" one can likely expect a very high number of them to emerge from the so-called "top prospects". This is how it has always been. All anyone is saying is "why cap your ceiling right now and get a team that's still not good enough when you have an opportunity to be a bit worse right now and give yourself a much better shot at having the future top players down the road?"
 
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Jed Hoyer and his underling laugh at this.
Still has to sign Tucker
So does Poles.

Has yet to even draft an all pro yet. The best non qb on the bears are either Ryan pace picks or guys that were drafted and developed by another team.
A guy who manages a team to the crapper two years in a row is better then a GM who not only traded for the best player in the NL currently but also has a team in first place and did his "to the studs, bro" rebuild in two years compared to what looks like a ten year rebuild for the hawks.

The Blackhawks only move forward once Davidson is gone.
That is how a rebuild goes are you seriously this dumb?
 
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Still has to sign Tucker
Ricketts says "hold my beer we won't break even"
Has yet to even draft an all pro yet. The best non qb on the bears are either Ryan pace picks or guys that were drafted and developed by another team.
Yet Poles got them on the Bears.....
That is how a rebuild goes are you seriously this dumb?
The Hawks were slop last year after Davidson said they should show a little more compete in a pre season presser. They didn't. They looked worse.

By saying it's a rebuild, one would think they should have a foundation to build on already....
 

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