We Have A Gm Problem

[BHFAN92]

sports fans always seem to be clamoring for their team to rebuild when they're stuck in the middle but then when it comes time to actually rebuild they don't want to wait out the entire process, happened with theo epstein when he was here as well, people really thought it was going nowhere for a bit

and nhl rebuilds take forever because like 1-3 players in the entire draft class might immediately hit the active roster after being drafted, you have to wait it out at least a year just to get one class of first rounders onto your team, nfl and nba its immediate

Honestly this is a very good point....which is exactly why I want KD to stop stock piling draft picks and start using them in trades for younger guys who come available. Unless somehow Misa drops this #3 pick wont be sniffing the Blackhawks club next yr so its another pick not helping the team immediately which is what Bedsy needs

 

[Castle8130]

If you're not sure about Nazar at this point, I don't know what to tell you. I'm also pretty sold on Rinzel too. The rest, let's see but some will definitely be NHL players. And if you remember 2022, the Hawks sure weren't that great with all of those 'outs' on the roster but would be too good to get Bedard. Other than Strome, every other player was traded for a longer term asset.

You're essentially describing what the beginning of a rebuild looks like. Yes, the team has gotten worse in the standings but I would argue that today, they are much closer to winning a cup than they would be if they kept going for it every year.

We didn’t trade for Nazar, we traded for the 13th oa pick. Nazar was available to us there. That has more to do with the drafting side of things. I was strictly talking about roster players acquired vs traded. Roster players are a support system for the youth and when the support system is poor, the team can be setback. Yes a rebuild takes a while to come to fruition, but we’ve been through 3 rebuild drafts and about to be a 4th. If the Hawks dont make major strides this offseason by adding a legit player to play with Bedard and Nazar, I will be heavily concerned. You cannot be bottom 5 team for a 5th consecutive year and be happy with the result. We need to make better strides in the rebuild or the team will be too content with losing

 

[BHawks77]

Honestly this is a very good point....which is exactly why I want KD to stop stock piling draft picks and start using them in trades for younger guys who come available. Unless somehow Misa drops this #3 pick wont be sniffing the Blackhawks club next yr so its another pick not helping the team immediately which is what Bedsy needs

Again you ignored my questions.

You want KD to just dump picks for player. You cant force other teams just give up young good players, its going to cost a lot. You have to be patient and find what opportunities present themselfs.

You also want immidiate results thats not how it goes, it takes two to tango. Not all teams want picks. Also if you want to use Hawks prospect you want first to see what we got as they are starting to come in.

Sure Marner is a quick fix IF he wants to come here. But you also risk messing up cap structure. If you pay Marner 14-16 mil without winning anything it sets a bad message to Hawks young players. Look what happened in Toronto with Tavares.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

If the Hawks dont make major strides this offseason by adding a legit player to play with Bedard and Nazar, I will be heavily concerned.

You should probably be concerned then. I don’t see that type of player stepping in right now.

Look at Ottawa for example, they lucked into an aging Giroux but that’s about the best a rebuilding team like this can do.

Marner, Ehlers, Boeser, and Bennett are unlikely to be interested in this unless there’s a massive overpay that hurts the franchise in the long term.

I’ve moved on from the idea of signing any of those guys and will be very surprised if it happens.

Bedard and Nazar need to show they’re superstars and stars respectively before actual good veterans will be interested. I know there’s reporting that some of the coaching candidates have doubts about how good the Hawks prospects actually are, I’d imagine the same can be said among veteran UFAs.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

We didn’t trade for Nazar, we traded for the 13th oa pick. Nazar was available to us there. That has more to do with the drafting side of things. I was strictly talking about roster players acquired vs traded. Roster players are a support system for the youth and when the support system is poor, the team can be setback. Yes a rebuild takes a while to come to fruition, but we’ve been through 3 rebuild drafts and about to be a 4th. If the Hawks dont make major strides this offseason by adding a legit player to play with Bedard and Nazar, I will be heavily concerned. You cannot be bottom 5 team for a 5th consecutive year and be happy with the result. We need to make better strides in the rebuild or the team will be too content with losing

You can't force things, we tried with Korchinski and it was a disaster...we tried with Dach and it was a disaster...reality is that most guys are not NHL ready after being drafted, even Bedard has struggled and he's one of the best ever production wise at his age along with Crosby...either you accept being garbage for 4-5 years to acquire the assets you need to be a true contender or you try to piece it together year after year and hope for the best, the benefit of building through the draft is that its not an auction market, you can more or less pencil in what you're going to get year to year, with trades and ufa you can't really predict what will hit the market and you're often competing with a lot of other teams for the assets, the foundation needs to be set through the draft so that you can be selective in the trade and free agency market to complete your team because picks will fizzle out and premier talent will become available from time to time, but it can't be the primary focus of your rebuild, and given the fact that most players in a draft class have to spend 2-3 years developing before they play in the NHL rebuilds take forever to show real progress

 

[Pez68]

I was strictly talking roster players in this scenario. That is what KD had brought into and off the roster. All those guys you mentioned were made with picks we acquired through trade and have just started their careers. Knight was a roster player we got in return for a trade. That’s why I added him. We have no idea if most of those pieces even make the NHL or play a significant role

What a disingenuous argument. Lol

 

[MHO]

honest question..you say "After this offseason, that goal will change to getting into contention so the kind of free agents and deals will be different." so if we dont land 1 of the top 2 guys in draft (Schaefer or Misa), then we don't go after top free agents like Marner who is 28 and legit 100 point player.Based on rumor mill its looking like we will let Donato walk who was our top goal scrorer..how do you propose this team is any different than last yr? they objectively are worse. Thats my whole point of my KD rant is yes I like his draft picks but everything else he has done has literally not improved the team whatsoever in going on 4yrs now. I love Bedard, Nazar, Moore, Lardis, Rinzel, Levshunov...but at some point you have to bring in some younger veterans via either trade or FA to upgrade the roster. The talk on Bedard leaving isn't just coming from thin air there is absolutely truth to his frustrations and not wanting to continue to be on suck ass lines. I love how people on this board throw out well the players has to want to come here...no shit...so then its wait until Kaprizov next yr (hint why would he want to come here) I here lets tank for McKenna- ya I want him on the team he is flipping amazing...but its still the draft and ping pong level luck so that's not a sure thing..tank a season and end up drafting 3 or 4th again and this team will still have not improved. Meanwhile you could have gotten Marner, trade the 3rd pick for a veteran type guy and start building your way from the basement.

Well first off, all of the picks and prospects are a year older and closer to actually playing for the NHL team. And who says we're letting Donato walk and not pursuing any of the top free agents? It's not like the goal is purely to fill roster spots or become a contender but this offseason is a little bit of both. You surely won't see any more overpays like Foligno, Dickinson, or AA just to get to the floor but we might not sign Marner for 7 X 13. Maybe we get Ehlers? Or Granlund? Or Duchene? Idk. But no more plugs.

 

[Cashman]

Of course not, but all I was saying was he’s made a few bad signings. Just because it doesn’t have long term consequences doesn’t negate the fact they were bad signings. Hopefully he does better when there is more on the line.

I agree.

I think some people have him as Rich Hahn level bad. I don't see it. They guy is killing it with drafting and developing.

 

[BHFAN92]

Well first off, all of the picks and prospects are a year older and closer to actually playing for the NHL team. And who says we're letting Donato walk and not pursuing any of the top free agents? It's not like the goal is purely to fill roster spots or become a contender but this offseason is a little bit of both. You surely won't see any more overpays like Foligno, Dickinson, or AA just to get to the floor but we might not sign Marner for 7 X 13. Maybe we get Ehlers? Or Granlund? Or Duchene? Idk. But no more plugs.

done arguing..lets let the draft and free agency play out and reconvene in August. My money is on roster looking worse than it did last season but lets let it play out.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

done arguing..lets let the draft and free agency play out and reconvene in August. My money is on roster looking worse than it did last season but lets let it play out.

who are they losing that matters long term

 

[BHawks77]

done arguing..lets let the draft and free agency play out and reconvene in August. My money is on roster looking worse than it did last season but lets let it play out.

You keep on doing this same repeatedly every now and then. You complane on same stuff, but when given counter arguements and asked questions about your complaints you just ignore them!?

Hard to have coversation like that.

 

[Hawkaholic]

done arguing..lets let the draft and free agency play out and reconvene in August. My money is on roster looking worse than it did last season but lets let it play out.

How is the roster going to look worse?

We lost Maroon, Martinez, AA, Brodie (probably) and Kurashev (probably). Are you saying they are going to add 5 worse players, than those guys?

 

[BHFAN92]

How is the roster going to look worse?

We lost Maroon, Martinez, AA, Brodie (probably) and Kurashev (probably). Are you saying they are going to add 5 worse players, than those guys?

I am saying we are losing Donato who was leading scorer while also not getting Marner, Bennett, Boeser. The guys you listed are addition by subtraction

 

[BHFAN92]

You keep on doing this same repeatedly every now and then. You complane on same stuff, but when given counter arguements and asked questions about your complaints you just ignore them!?

Hard to have coversation like that.

sure lets chat. what have I not answered? I have repeatedly said I like KDs draft picks, not fan of any of his FA signings other than Teravainen, not fan on of value return on most of his trades ( I loved the Seth Jones trade and Mikheyev trade). My biggest issue is his lack of ability to or willingness to acquire young guys when they hit market...ie Askarov, Gauthier, McGroarty, now Issac Howard who is on block . I completely understand a rebuild takes along time in the NHL and that Prospects hardly ever come in ready to play day 1..I get that...my biggest gripe is KD not signing younger veterans or looking to make trades like aforementioned young guys when they are available to augment the roster. I understand guys also "have to want to come here" but then I see the same posters say well wait to 2026 and look at the free agent class like somehow that same "they wanna sign here principle" is out the window because it fits that persons perspective of who they want. I feel like this board along with Bears board are homer fans who if you critique the GM or team you get jumped on for not being onboard with teams perspective. I hated Bowman because I felt like he was unqualified and road the coattails of his predecessor. I feel same way the KD is not qualified to be a GM

 

[Hawkaholic]

I am saying we are losing Donato who was leading scorer while also not getting Marner, Bennett, Boeser. The guys you listed are addition by subtraction

Oh no, the huge loss of Ryan Donato, I forgot about him! What will we ever do!

 

[BHFAN92]

Oh no, the huge loss of Ryan Donato, I forgot about him! What will we ever do

KD is this you? Have we found your burner account?

 

[Hawkaholic]

KD is this you? Have we found your burner account?

lol Imagine comparing Donato to Boeser, Ehlers, and Bennett

 

[BHFAN92]

lol Imagine comparing Donato to Boeser, Ehlers, and Bennett

I am not..you are picking a small part of my argument to fit your narrative. It's a compilation of things. You act like removing 31 goals, 31 assists from a low scoring roster is ho hum no big deal while not swinging at bigger fishes..thats my whole damn point.

 

[Deputy McRizzy]

Assuming no major UFAs, which I doubt, I'm expecting another comparable season. They've lost a lot of guys since the TDL, many of which were bad and negatives players.... But they aren't exactly being replaced by improvements.

It also seems likely Donato doesn't extent here and that's your second leading scorer and a 30+ goal guy from last year, that's not really anything to scoff at. Best case scenario Nazar replaces that production but that's a lot to ask a young guy on a team with this bad of a roster.

So yeah, I'm guessing another bottom 3 finish in the standings for a 4th straight year.

 

[Deputy McRizzy]

Oh no, the huge loss of Ryan Donato, I forgot about him! What will we ever do!

He had 62 points out of the teams 603 points, so I mean yeah, that is kind of a big loss. And he's being replaced by who, someone like Ryan Greene?

 

[Hawkaholic]

I am not..you are picking a small part of my argument to fit your narrative. It's a compilation of things. You act like removing 31 goals, 31 assists from a low scoring roster is ho hum no big deal while not swinging at bigger fishes..thats my whole damn point.

I am not picking a small part of your argument to fit any narrative lol.

You said our team will be worse next year, and then go on to list, let me see, 1 player!!! who you don't think will be replaced by anyone. lol But yet, fail to mention, lots of players can get better, and improve the team, and they can sign multiple free agents to replace the terrible ones that left.

lol, it's just a stupid argument you are making, and you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[Hawkaholic]

He had 62 points out of the teams 603 points, so I mean yeah, that is kind of a big loss. And he's being replaced by who, someone like Ryan Greene?

Yes, I'm sure the Hawks don't sign a single player, and replace Donato with Green, definitely seems like the thing to bet on!

They could sign a Drouin, or a Granlund, or a Benn to replace Donato. It's really not that big of a deal.

 

[BHFAN92]

He had 62 points out of the teams 603 points, so I mean yeah, that is kind of a big loss. And he's being replaced by who, someone like Ryan Greene?

not worth the argument..its just completely disingenuous at this point. Let's let our leading goal scorer walk who hit his career highs here, while not going after any of the big fish in FA, and then pretend that yeah some miracle kids are going to replace that output. Then also then say we can't make guys sign here, but yet we won't sign our own f***ing guys who have career seasons and our under age of 30..its like chasing your tail with people like this holy shit.

 

[Hawkaholic]

not worth the argument..its just completely disingenuous at this point. Let's let our leading goal scorer walk who hit his career highs here, while not going after any of the big fish in FA, and then pretend that yeah some miracle kids are going to replace that output. Then also then say we can't make guys sign here, but yet we won't sign our own f***ing guys who have career seasons and our under age of 30..its like chasing your tail with people like this holy shit.

Totally a good idea to sign a guy who had up until this year, never even came close to 40 pts, to a contract that pays him like someone who has been a perennial 50pt scorer. Great idea!

 

[Deputy McRizzy]

Yes, I'm sure the Hawks don't sign a single player, and replace Donato with Green, definitely seems like the thing to bet on!

They could sign a Drouin, or a Granlund, or a Benn to replace Donato. It's really not that big of a deal.

Obviously they'll sign someone, but do you honestly think they're going to bring 30+ goals and 60+ points to the table?