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There are times I go back and forth on KD. I like some of his picks but he has a handful of moves I didn’t like and a few that were just downright bad.

I think this year seeing who he takes at 3 and how he meets the cap floor will be telling for me and if I have confidence in him.
 
There are times I go back and forth on KD. I like some of his picks but he has a handful of moves I didn’t like and a few that were just downright bad.

I think this year seeing who he takes at 3 and how he meets the cap floor will be telling for me and if I have confidence in him.
I will say I have liked his picks. I can be objective on that. I havent liked a single FA signing outside of Teravainen, his contracts have mostly been awful, and trades have seemed weak. I am not fan of the coach either
 
I will say I have liked his picks. I can be objective on that. I havent liked a single FA signing outside of Teravainen, his contracts have mostly been awful, and trades have seemed weak. I am not fan of the coach either
Judging his UFA signings is silly. He needed to sign players to fill out a roster that was made to be among the worst in the league. You don't get your pick of the litter when your team is set up to be bad.
 
I will say I have liked his picks. I can be objective on that. I havent liked a single FA signing outside of Teravainen, his contracts have mostly been awful, and trades have seemed weak. I am not fan of the coach either
They went with the old Cubs rebuild strategy, a lot of short term deals to flip for assets, cap dumps and signings to get to the cap floor, they were intentionally awful because they need to get as many blue chip assets as possible at the top of the draft...this was their strategy going in and they've stuck to it, and should for another year or two until most of the high picks in pipeline are in the NHL...KD has mostly avoided the really bad UFA mistake, and hopefully he continues that this summer
 
There are times I go back and forth on KD. I like some of his picks but he has a handful of moves I didn’t like and a few that were just downright bad.

I think this year seeing who he takes at 3 and how he meets the cap floor will be telling for me and if I have confidence in him.
He's had some absolute home run moves - Dach for Nazar, Rinzel in the last 1st, some really good value picks like Lardis...its way way too early to judge his work, NHL prospects take a long time relative to say the NFL or NBA where they're drafted and immediately hit the active roster. His intention was in the right place with the HC job with Carle but you can't force him to leave Denver. If he had him looking at houses then KD made a hell of a pitch.
 
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Judging his UFA signings is silly. He needed to sign players to fill out a roster that was made to be among the worst in the league. You don't get your pick of the litter when your team is set up to be bad.


Brodie getting 2 years is indefensible. He absolutely deserves to be negatively judged for that move.

The Bertuzzi contract doesn’t look great either.
 
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I will say I have liked his picks. I can be objective on that. I havent liked a single FA signing outside of Teravainen, his contracts have mostly been awful, and trades have seemed weak. I am not fan of the coach either

Who were the players he missed out on in FA that you would have liked?? Also players need to want to come rebuilding team. usually that means you need to pay extra. Hawks have plenty cap space and actually need to hit the floor.

What trade was weak? Jones deal was homerun. Hagel deal was great. We got good picks and were able to tank better.

So you wanted coaching change and you got it. Now you complane that you dont still like the coach. So I ask you what coach was available that we missed on that would make you happy??
 
Brodie getting 2 years is indefensible.

What does it matter, he played at the start of the year when prospects were not ready. At half way he was more and more scratched. KD doesnt have crystall ball and know for sure when prospect are ready so he gave Brodie two years. The second year wont effect Hawks anyway they can buy it out or send Brodie to AHL.
 
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Brodie getting 2 years is indefensible. He absolutely deserves to be negatively judged for that move.

The Bertuzzi contract doesn’t look great either.
Brodie was straight up awful. No getting around that but his contract won't prevent them from being able to do anything. I think the thought behind the 2nd year was that KD knew that the team had no vet Dmen on the roster going into this year other than Murphy and Jones. He probably would have rather given another year to Martinez but he probably indicated that he only had 1 year left to play.
 
Brodie getting 2 years is indefensible. He absolutely deserves to be negatively judged for that move.

The Bertuzzi contract doesn’t look great either.
Bertuzzi contract is fine, he's a 3rd line player, who scores 20G, that's what he makes.

They have needed to sign guys just to reach the floor. Who cares if they overpay bums. No one is itching to come to Chicago to not win games.
 
Mistakes happen, is he preventing the Hawks from signing anyone?

Of course not, but all I was saying was he’s made a few bad signings. Just because it doesn’t have long term consequences doesn’t negate the fact they were bad signings. Hopefully he does better when there is more on the line.
 
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Of course not, but all I was saying was he’s made a few bad signings. Just because it doesn’t have long term consequences doesn’t negate the fact they were bad signings. Hopefully he does better when there is more on the line.
I respectfully disagree. Bertuzzi was exactly the player they thought he would be. Slow, streaky, and scored 20 goals. He'll be better on a team that has the puck more and hopefully that's this year with the added speed around him. Brodie was terrible and there's no getting around that.

But in the past couple of seasons, the goal of signing free agents was to fill out a roster and get to the cap floor. They weren't winning anything and the fact that many of them were bad helped them get to the top of the draft. After this offseason, that goal will change to getting into contention so the kind of free agents and deals will be different.

There are also less roster spots available than there has been in the past with real prospects coming up. You could say that there isn't much room on the blue line nor in the bottom 6.
 
Draft picks are still a few years out from being judge able, but KD has had an enormous amount of draft capital and it’d be hard not to have hit on a lot of them. The real issue with this rebuild is the players he has acquired by trade and ufa signings. Lets take a look at the actual significant NHL players ins and outs;

Ins

Ilya Mikheyev
Jason Dickinson
Tyler Bertuzzi
Teuvo Teravainen
Taylor Hall (2 years)
Max Domi (1 year)
Nick Foligno
Ryan Donato (possible resigning)
Spencer Knight

Outs

Kirby Dach
Dylan Strome
Alex Debrincat
Seth Jones
Jake Mccabe
Brandon Hagel

All the “Outs” players have been great top 6 top 4 players for their respective new teams. All the “ins” players have been more depth pieces, with Ryan Donato and Spencer Knight being the clear top players.
 
Draft picks are still a few years out from being judge able, but KD has had an enormous amount of draft capital and it’d be hard not to have hit on a lot of them. The real issue with this rebuild is the players he has acquired by trade and ufa signings. Lets take a look at the actual significant NHL players ins and outs;

Ins

Ilya Mikheyev
Jason Dickinson
Tyler Bertuzzi
Teuvo Teravainen
Taylor Hall (2 years)
Max Domi (1 year)
Nick Foligno
Ryan Donato (possible resigning)
Spencer Knight

Outs

Kirby Dach
Dylan Strome
Alex Debrincat
Seth Jones
Jake Mccabe
Brandon Hagel

All the “Outs” players have been great top 6 top 4 players for their respective new teams. All the “ins” players have been more depth pieces, with Ryan Donato and Spencer Knight being the clear top players.
ins are missing Nazar, Rinzel, Moore, Korchinski, Spellacy, Ryan Greene, Sasha Boisvert, 25 TOR 1st, 26 FLA 1st, etc
 
ins are missing Nazar, Rinzel, Moore, Korchinski, Spellacy, Ryan Greene, Sasha Boisvert, 25 TOR 1st, 26 FLA 1st, etc...completely ignored all the returns for the out players other than Knight
I was strictly talking roster players in this scenario. That is what KD had brought into and off the roster. All those guys you mentioned were made with picks we acquired through trade and have just started their careers. Knight was a roster player we got in return for a trade. That’s why I added him. We have no idea if most of those pieces even make the NHL or play a significant role
 
Draft picks are still a few years out from being judge able, but KD has had an enormous amount of draft capital and it’d be hard not to have hit on a lot of them. The real issue with this rebuild is the players he has acquired by trade and ufa signings. Lets take a look at the actual significant NHL players ins and outs;

Ins

Ilya Mikheyev
Jason Dickinson
Tyler Bertuzzi
Teuvo Teravainen
Taylor Hall (2 years)
Max Domi (1 year)
Nick Foligno
Ryan Donato (possible resigning)
Spencer Knight

Outs

Kirby Dach
Dylan Strome
Alex Debrincat
Seth Jones
Jake Mccabe
Brandon Hagel

All the “Outs” players have been great top 6 top 4 players for their respective new teams. All the “ins” players have been more depth pieces, with Ryan Donato and Spencer Knight being the clear top players.
Not sure what the issue is. The only guy in that out category he got nothing for was Strome because the whole league thought he sucked ass. Everyone else he got at least a 1st round pick for with Dach and Debrincat yielding picks in the top 14. He wasn't trading them for immediate help because why would you with where we were in the rebuild?

This just seems like weird way to be judging things at this stage.
 
I was strictly talking roster players in this scenario. That is what KD had brought into and off the roster. All those guys you mentioned were made with picks we acquired through trade and have just started their careers. Knight was a roster player we got in return for a trade. That’s why I added him. We have no idea if most of those pieces even make the NHL or play a significant role
If you're going to include the outs then you should include the complete list of ins, whether they're currently on the roster or not, its intentionally misleading to leave off players like Nazar, Korchinski, Rinzel, Moore etc, they were core pieces for some of the players moved out
 
sports fans always seem to be clamoring for their team to rebuild when they're stuck in the middle but then when it comes time to actually rebuild they don't want to wait out the entire process, happened with theo epstein when he was here as well, people really thought it was going nowhere for a bit

and nhl rebuilds take forever because like 1-3 players in the entire draft class might immediately hit the active roster after being drafted, you have to wait it out at least a year just to get one class of first rounders onto your team, nfl and nba its immediate
 
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I was strictly talking roster players in this scenario. That is what KD had brought into and off the roster. All those guys you mentioned were made with picks we acquired through trade and have just started their careers. Knight was a roster player we got in return for a trade. That’s why I added him. We have no idea if most of those pieces even make the NHL or play a significant role
If you're not sure about Nazar at this point, I don't know what to tell you. I'm also pretty sold on Rinzel too. The rest, let's see but some will definitely be NHL players. And if you remember 2022, the Hawks sure weren't that great with all of those 'outs' on the roster but would be too good to get Bedard. Other than Strome, every other player was traded for a longer term asset.

You're essentially describing what the beginning of a rebuild looks like. Yes, the team has gotten worse in the standings but I would argue that today, they are much closer to winning a cup than they would be if they kept going for it every year.
 
Brodie getting 2 years is indefensible. He absolutely deserves to be negatively judged for that move.

The Bertuzzi contract doesn’t look great either.

it is, but wrt the big picture (the rebuild), it's just noise. decisions involving prospects/young players are infinitely more important than those that deal with placeholders. no such thing as a mistake-free GM.
 
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If you're going to get on KD for signing Brodie or other FA contracts that haven't been great, you gotta balance that with turning Kirby Dach into Frank Nazar and Gavin Hayes, turning cap space into Sam Rinzel, and a well timed bad season into Connor Bedard.

Imagine how good he'd look if Shanahan didn't screw him by nixing the original Hagel trade.
 
I respectfully disagree. Bertuzzi was exactly the player they thought he would be. Slow, streaky, and scored 20 goals. He'll be better on a team that has the puck more and hopefully that's this year with the added speed around him. Brodie was terrible and there's no getting around that.

But in the past couple of seasons, the goal of signing free agents was to fill out a roster and get to the cap floor. They weren't winning anything and the fact that many of them were bad helped them get to the top of the draft. After this offseason, that goal will change to getting into contention so the kind of free agents and deals will be different.

There are also less roster spots available than there has been in the past with real prospects coming up. You could say that there isn't much room on the blue line nor in the bottom 6.
honest question..you say "After this offseason, that goal will change to getting into contention so the kind of free agents and deals will be different." so if we dont land 1 of the top 2 guys in draft (Schaefer or Misa), then we don't go after top free agents like Marner who is 28 and legit 100 point player.Based on rumor mill its looking like we will let Donato walk who was our top goal scrorer..how do you propose this team is any different than last yr? they objectively are worse. Thats my whole point of my KD rant is yes I like his draft picks but everything else he has done has literally not improved the team whatsoever in going on 4yrs now. I love Bedard, Nazar, Moore, Lardis, Rinzel, Levshunov...but at some point you have to bring in some younger veterans via either trade or FA to upgrade the roster. The talk on Bedard leaving isn't just coming from thin air there is absolutely truth to his frustrations and not wanting to continue to be on suck ass lines. I love how people on this board throw out well the players has to want to come here...no shit...so then its wait until Kaprizov next yr (hint why would he want to come here) I here lets tank for McKenna- ya I want him on the team he is flipping amazing...but its still the draft and ping pong level luck so that's not a sure thing..tank a season and end up drafting 3 or 4th again and this team will still have not improved. Meanwhile you could have gotten Marner, trade the 3rd pick for a veteran type guy and start building your way from the basement.
 
If you're going to get on KD for signing Brodie or other FA contracts that haven't been great, you gotta balance that with turning Kirby Dach into Frank Nazar and Gavin Hayes, turning cap space into Sam Rinzel, and a well timed bad season into Connor Bedard.

Imagine how good he'd look if Shanahan didn't screw him by nixing the original Hagel trade.
That was a great trade and so was Seth Jones trade
 

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