We have a GM problem

[Kurtosis]

you were actually calling for bowman's head in 2015. it's actually quite interesting looking at your post history. it paints an incredible picture of what being on the internet for the last 15 years straight has done to the minds of wide swaths of the population. you go from only mentioning bowman a handfull of times (once to handwring about how he should have been fired for signing handzus if they'd ended up losing the 2013 detroit series lmao) to obsessing over "stan the man". then something happens in 2016 (couldn't imagine what) and from there you just twist further and further into this self satisfied black hole.

all you talk about is how you were right about stanbo. well hell, allow me to be the first to congratulate you for being early to that. now why don't you ever bring up your ridiculous vendetta against crawford? don't you remember how scott darling reminded you of carey price? how about when you thought jeremy morin and peter f***ing regin was the skeleton key to winning the WCF in 2014 and you called for q's head all through the next (cup winning) season? or are you still right about that and they just won the '15 cup in spite of having q behind the bench and crawford in net? you said you bet a lot of money on them to win the cup that year, which is puzzling since at the beginning of that season you called them garbage how about when you wanted sharp to center a line with kane and ben smith? or is trying to take account of all the times you were right or wrong on the internet ridiculous now? because all of these things have exactly as much to do with an evaluation of kyle davidson's performance (or lack thereof) as what you said about stan bowman ten years ago. relitigating any one of these topics for the sake of establishing credibility (or lack thereof) would be just as facile as what you are attempting to do right now.

the most tragic thing about you is i don't think you are stupid. i find myself agreeing with more of these old posts of yours than not. if i'd been around at the time, i'd like to say i would have been more sympathetic to you than the eternal optimist gang that has so thoroughly established themselves rent free in your mind. and no, my problem isn't that you are "politically incorrect" (a bug bear that seems to have stuck in your craw sometime around 2015-16 as well, imagine that) either. no, my biggest problem with you, besides the fact that you are just generally insufferable, is this whole act where you coast on being right about one (1) thing, and then construct this mind palace delusion where you are having the same exact discussion again with a whole brigade of polyanna BK's when in reality the climate of opinion towards kd so far has been tepid at best. you are resting on your laurels, fighting the last war because you won it and you haven't matured emotionally since harambe was killed.

I know it’s only the middle of January, but I gotta say I’m confident this will be the post of the year.

 

[Mjul Qvist]

Do we know what they offered him?

Yes we do. Friedman etc. have brought that up.

 

[ploppsdman]

no one said anything about what you can't do. you can certainly whine all day about all the excellent moves you would have made in your mind palace. i am well within my right to make fun of you for said whining. and thus here we are.

i moderated a different website once. left primarily because the other mods were too strict funny enough. shit job. wouldn't recommend it. certainly wouldn't want to be responsible for this cesspit.

I suggest you find a new term other than "mind palace." I'm not giving a Ted talk and I'm not in a Sherlock Holmes episode.

And yes, you also have my unsolicited permission to be a whiner. Glad we see eye to eye with giving each other permission we didn't ask for or need.

Back to hockey talk.

 

[statswatcher]

I suggest you find a new term other than "mind palace." I'm not giving a Ted talk and I'm not in a Sherlock Holmes episode.

And yes, you also have my unsolicited permission to be a whiner. Glad we see eye to eye with giving each other permission we didn't ask for or need.

Back to hockey talk.

nah mind palace is an excellent phrase, particularly when describing where people like you like to spend their time.

 

[Blackhawks]

Three major moves as to why this clown GM needs to be fired, this is especially for the undecided “jury still out” folks who forget the past fast and have zero analytical skills for an educated guess for the future.

Brandon Hagel trade - SHOULD BE FIRED
Demidov not drafted - SHOULD BE FIRED
Kane not signed - SHOULD BE FIRED

Oh ya did I mention this team is garbage and hasn’t improved at all zilch and he even said it would this year, he is not in control, he’s clueless.

Fire the clown now

 

[Dead Meat]

Can we trade this guy to another forum? Maybe we can work something out with Edmonton to reunite him with Stan?

 

[Chelios]

Three major moves as to why this clown GM needs to be fired, this is especially for the undecided “jury still out” folks who forget the past fast and have zero analytical skills for an educated guess for the future.

Brandon Hagel trade - SHOULD BE FIRED
Demidov not drafted - SHOULD BE FIRED
Kane not signed - SHOULD BE FIRED

Oh ya did I mention this team is garbage and hasn’t improved at all zilch and he even said it would this year, he is not in control, he’s clueless.

Fire the clown now

He lives

 

[Hawkaholic]

Three major moves as to why this clown GM needs to be fired, this is especially for the undecided “jury still out” folks who forget the past fast and have zero analytical skills for an educated guess for the future.

Brandon Hagel trade - SHOULD BE FIRED
Demidov not drafted - SHOULD BE FIRED
Kane not signed - SHOULD BE FIRED

Oh ya did I mention this team is garbage and hasn’t improved at all zilch and he even said it would this year, he is not in control, he’s clueless.

Fire the clown now

Hagel should absolutely have been traded for what they got. If he isn't traded, we likely don't have Bedard. Bedard>Hagel

Demidov not picked, yeah, but deserving to be fired for that alone? Lol, no.

Kane not signed, meh, more to it than the GM just not wanting him.

 

[Clownish]

Hagel should absolutely have been traded for what they got. If he isn't traded, we likely don't have Bedard. Bedard>Hagel

Demidov not picked, yeah, but deserving to be fired for that alone? Lol, no.

Kane not signed, meh, more to it than the GM just not wanting him.

It's not Hagel or Bedard, it's Bedard plus Moore and whomever else the picks were OR Hagel plus Carlson or whomever that lottery pick would have been assuming a few more wins. The non-Bedard pick still exists and would have Hagel here playing on his line.

 

[Drumman44]

It's not Hagel or Bedard, it's Bedard plus Moore and whomever else the picks were OR Hagel plus Carlson or whomever that lottery pick would have been assuming a few more wins. The non-Bedard pick still exists and would have Hagel here playing on his line.

Hagel could have walked in free agency though

Edit: I guess he was an RFA but still. No guarantees

 

[Blackhawks]

Hagel should absolutely have been traded for what they got. If he isn't traded, we likely don't have Bedard. Bedard>Hagel

Demidov not picked, yeah, but deserving to be fired for that alone? Lol, no.

Kane not signed, meh, more to it than the GM just not wanting him.

Talk about pathetic excuses and so many of them you guys think up for your hero. Let me refute this garbage, we signed a bunch of filler players in 2022 that we didn’t have to if we kept Hagel like AA, we would have still been bottom feeders with Hagel as it was a deliberate rebuild year and the point was to suck. The reason he was traded was because the moron GM didn’t think he would become an elite player so he traded him so let’s not make up other scenarios, he is clueless. To your second point my brain feels numb reading it, you mean missing out on a generational player is not a fireable offense? Thirdly, Kane not signed was a bad move, I don’t care what kind of weird scenarios you guys think up in here to justify it, it was a bad move and he made it. It’s funny when this team loses out on players due to stupid trades or drafts it’s just whatever as if nothing happened no big deal reaction in here.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Three major moves as to why this clown GM needs to be fired, this is especially for the undecided “jury still out” folks who forget the past fast and have zero analytical skills for an educated guess for the future.

Brandon Hagel trade - SHOULD BE FIRED
Demidov not drafted - SHOULD BE FIRED
Kane not signed - SHOULD BE FIRED

Oh ya did I mention this team is garbage and hasn’t improved at all zilch and he even said it would this year, he is not in control, he’s clueless.

Fire the clown now

Bruh I thought you were dead

 

[Clownish]

Hagel could have walked in free agency though

Edit: I guess he was an RFA but still. No guarantees

What if Gary still rigged the lotto and they got Bedard with Hagel? What if's are useless.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Can we trade this guy to another forum? Maybe we can work something out with Edmonton to reunite him with Stan?

We’d have to throw in a lot of positive assets to move him

 

[Taze em]

If Demidov is a fireable offense then is it Uno reversed with the Kantserov pick?

 

[statswatcher]

If Demidov is a fireable offense then is it Uno reversed with the Kantserov pick?

you failed to consider that kantserov isn't generational like demidov lol

 

[unbridledid]

Three major moves as to why this clown GM needs to be fired, this is especially for the undecided “jury still out” folks who forget the past fast and have zero analytical skills for an educated guess for the future.

Brandon Hagel trade - SHOULD BE FIRED
Demidov not drafted - SHOULD BE FIRED
Kane not signed - SHOULD BE FIRED

Oh ya did I mention this team is garbage and hasn’t improved at all zilch and he even said it would this year, he is not in control, he’s clueless.

Fire the clown now

Brandon Hagel trade - SHOULD BE FIRED... Can we at least see How Moore and Boisvert pan out at the pro level ? Was there another offer better than the bolts offer ?

Demidov not drafted - SHOULD BE FIRED,,, See above....

Kane not signed - SHOULD BE FIRED...

 

[MHO]

Talk about pathetic excuses and so many of them you guys think up for your hero. Let me refute this garbage, we signed a bunch of filler players in 2022 that we didn’t have to if we kept Hagel like AA, we would have still been bottom feeders with Hagel as it was a deliberate rebuild year and the point was to suck. The reason he was traded was because the moron GM didn’t think he would become an elite player so he traded him so let’s not make up other scenarios, he is clueless. To your second point my brain feels numb reading it, you mean missing out on a generational player is not a fireable offense? Thirdly, Kane not signed was a bad move, I don’t care what kind of weird scenarios you guys think up in here to justify it, it was a bad move and he made it. It’s funny when this team loses out on players due to stupid trades or drafts it’s just whatever as if nothing happened no big deal reaction in here.

You all realize that we could just ignore this guy but the posts are like a car wreck where you just have to keep looking at them.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Talk about pathetic excuses and so many of them you guys think up for your hero. Let me refute this garbage, we signed a bunch of filler players in 2022 that we didn’t have to if we kept Hagel like AA, we would have still been bottom feeders with Hagel as it was a deliberate rebuild year and the point was to suck. The reason he was traded was because the moron GM didn’t think he would become an elite player so he traded him so let’s not make up other scenarios, he is clueless. To your second point my brain feels numb reading it, you mean missing out on a generational player is not a fireable offense? Thirdly, Kane not signed was a bad move, I don’t care what kind of weird scenarios you guys think up in here to justify it, it was a bad move and he made it. It’s funny when this team loses out on players due to stupid trades or drafts it’s just whatever as if nothing happened no big deal reaction in here.

Lol, yes, he's my hero. You're such a joke.

If anything changes that year, we don't get Bedard. It's possible with Hagel we get a couple more points, and don't get Bedard. It's not even debatable. And no, that's not the reason he was traded, he was traded to get picks to align with the rebuild. What good does Hagel do on this team, exactly? Especially when he refuses to resign because he wants to win?

Please point me to this generational player you speak of. He must be doing amazing in the NHL.

And no, I don't care if Kane is signed or not. It makes little difference in the grand scheme of things. But for you to say it's on him and only him is just wrong, but you're used to being wrong.

It's not Hagel or Bedard, it's Bedard plus Moore and whomever else the picks were OR Hagel plus Carlson or whomever that lottery pick would have been assuming a few more wins. The non-Bedard pick still exists and would have Hagel here playing on his line.

Ya, give me Bedard and whoever over Hagel and Carlsson or Fantilli, all day.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Not sure if Hagel would re-sign here longterm, if he did I'm not sure he'd be as good here compared to a place where he's the third or fourth best forward, and if he was, I'm not sure he'd still be good when the Hawks would have a realistic competitive window. Anyways good for him and Tampa, the resetting and extra picks are something Chicago can likely make more use of in Bedard's personal prime and there will be time to bring in an age appropriate "Hagel" at some point.

The most "controversial" of the trades at the time was trading a 21 year old Kirby Dach for the 13th overall pick. That one doesn't seem to get brought up too much as to why a GM should be fired three years into their tenure (which is an insanely short period of time for any GM let alone a blow it up and rebuild one).

 

[Chelios]

Three major moves as to why this clown GM needs to be fired, this is especially for the undecided “jury still out” folks who forget the past fast and have zero analytical skills for an educated guess for the future.

Brandon Hagel trade - SHOULD BE FIRED
Demidov not drafted - SHOULD BE FIRED
Kane not signed - SHOULD BE FIRED

Oh ya did I mention this team is garbage and hasn’t improved at all zilch and he even said it would this year, he is not in control, he’s clueless.

Fire the clown now

How about instead of filling this thread with more drivel you respond to statswatcher’s post first.

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

How about instead of filling this thread with more drivel you respond to statswatcher’s post first.

There's no room for that post in his mind palace

 

[Pez68]

Stop feeding.

 

[Blackhawks]

you were actually calling for bowman's head in 2015. it's actually quite interesting looking at your post history. it paints an incredible picture of what being on the internet for the last 15 years straight has done to the minds of wide swaths of the population. you go from only mentioning bowman a handfull of times (once to handwring about how he should have been fired for signing handzus if they'd ended up losing the 2013 detroit series lmao) to obsessing over "stan the man". then something happens in 2016 (couldn't imagine what) and from there you just twist further and further into this self satisfied black hole.

all you talk about is how you were right about stanbo. well hell, allow me to be the first to congratulate you for being early to that. now why don't you ever bring up your ridiculous vendetta against crawford? don't you remember how scott darling reminded you of carey price? how about when you thought jeremy morin and peter f***ing regin was the skeleton key to winning the WCF in 2014 and you called for q's head all through the next (cup winning) season? or are you still right about that and they just won the '15 cup in spite of having q behind the bench and crawford in net? you said you bet a lot of money on them to win the cup that year, which is puzzling since at the beginning of that season you called them garbage how about when you wanted sharp to center a line with kane and ben smith? or is trying to take account of all the times you were right or wrong on the internet ridiculous now? because all of these things have exactly as much to do with an evaluation of kyle davidson's performance (or lack thereof) as what you said about stan bowman ten years ago. relitigating any one of these topics for the sake of establishing credibility (or lack thereof) would be just as facile as what you are attempting to do right now.

the most tragic thing about you is i don't think you are stupid. i find myself agreeing with more of these old posts of yours than not. if i'd been around at the time, i'd like to say i would have been more sympathetic to you than the eternal optimist gang that has so thoroughly established themselves rent free in your mind. and no, my problem isn't that you are "politically incorrect" (a bug bear that seems to have stuck in your craw sometime around 2015-16 as well, imagine that) either. no, my biggest problem with you, besides the fact that you are just generally insufferable, is this whole act where you coast on being right about one (1) thing, and then construct this mind palace delusion where you are having the same exact discussion again with a whole brigade of polyanna BK's when in reality the climate of opinion towards kd so far has been tepid at best. you are resting on your laurels, fighting the last war because you won it and you haven't matured emotionally since harambe was killed.

I didn’t want to reply to this because it’s mainly irrelevant and disapproves nothing, these long posts are annoying to breakdown and give a long ass answer to but here goes

-Hadzeus was unbearably slow, I didn’t like his style of play, in 2014 he was absolute hot garbage especially in the playoffs and should not have seen one minute on the ice
-Yes I called out Bowman’s stupid moves at any point in time but ONLY his stupid moves, my main issues with him started when he traded Saad, TT, that’s when I started calling for his head. He was good at small tweaks around the prebuilt core but but when he started making major roster moves, he was clueless.
-Crawford was meh and would have lost the 2013 cup if it wasn’t for Darling saving his ass, he lost the 2014 cup and if he showed up with above average goaltending and wasn’t absolute garbage in that LA series the team would have a threepeat, and any average goalie would have won the 2015 cup with that powerhouse team infront of him
-I never called for Q’s head although I did question some of his roster moves and lines and so did everyone else
-Without Scott Darling Hawks don’t have 2013 cup
-About the whole Sharp/Ben Smith/Jemermy Morin, Regin, these are debatable roster moves, how was I wrong about those moves? Playing Morin or Regin in the playoffs in 2014 gave the team SPEED instead of Handzeus which was killing the team producing no offense and being so slow and meh defensively, and last time I checked the team LOST that year and the difference between winning and losing was razor thin, literally a game 7 OT game…

Your last paragraph is not worth replying to. I was right on so many accounts, you wanna pick some small line moves and say I am wrong about those or Crawford, sure be my guest, those are debatable points. However the moves that Stan the Man made that ran this team into the ground are in full 20/20 hindsight now and I was right and there isn’t much debate, although some here will still justify his moves which is mind boggling.

 

[Blackhawks]

This is amazing.

This might be the single most greatest tear down of a poster I've ever seen on here. It's like watching Kendrick Lamar dissect Drake all over again.

Epic.

Stats check out

Oh ya so epic guys I have been proven wrong, such a deep analysis.