We have a GM problem

[pvr]

The Hawks were never going to be competitive (even to the point of approaching playoff contention) this year short of a major overhaul of the roster. Anyone expecting otherwise was delusional.

Next season (25-26), I expect some noise but still missing the playoffs by a reasonable amount .Should be more competitive during games, and more enjoyable to watch.

26-27 will be the real test. A successful rebuild starts pushing into the playoffs that year. That’s the timeline. If they’re not competing for 6-8 seed, then Davidson will be behind schedule.

 

[vandymeer13]

Maroon serves a purpose. He is painfully slow but has hands and knows where to be. Not a great fighter but will do it. More importantly he doesn't go down quietly he tries to mix it up. With how bad we're playing everyone should be playing with a chip on there shoulder. A lot of players you don't even notice out there, others like brodie and jones are noticeable in a bad way.

 

[Hawkaholic]

-111 is the 8th worst since 2000. Climbing from the bottom of the Mariana Trench to somewhere near the edge of it is still the ocean floor.

But that's still the goal. This team needs top 5 draft picks, nothing less.

There is no reason to extend Donato... for the love of christ KD please don't do that.

He's a good soldier, but he doesn't need to be part of the future. Get a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him and give Reichel, Slaggert, or even Kurashev those minutes for the last 30 or so games.

Lack of decent UFAs, plays a good bottom 6 role, you know what you are getting. Defintely don't overpay him, or pay for too long, but I don't see the downside to bringing him back. There are much worse players on the roster that should be replaced by better/different players.

 

[Crow]

Maroon serves a purpose. He is painfully slow but has hands and knows where to be. Not a great fighter but will do it. More importantly he doesn't go down quietly he tries to mix it up. With how bad we're playing everyone should be playing with a chip on there shoulder. A lot of players you don't even notice out there, others like brodie and jones are noticeable in a bad way.

He isn’t really a problem imo. Light years better than tinordi as a player and punches faces the same-ish.

 

[x Tame Impala]

This is a strawman.

My argument has always been that Chicago would have been better off keeping younger players like Hagel and Strome than doing a 100% burn it to the ground rebuild.

It is too easy to fall into the abyss of perpetual rebuild and now Chicago is willingly there. Winning is about skill and belief. Chicago is an atheist hockey team right now. Changing that will take years.

I've never encouraged a lack of patience, I'm completely discouraged by the lack of signs of progress. Chicago MUST take chances on players like Kiliyev, Askarov, Tolvanen, Kakko, etc.

You have to get players and hope from anywhere and everywhere when you're a black star.

Sure, sure.

To be clear, competitive does NOT mean making the playoffs. It means NOT being the worst team in the league.

What did Kyle from Chicago say? If only there were quotes:

Kyle from Chicago:
"We want to take the next step here and progress,” he told reporters. “We don't want to finish where we finished this year moving forward. That's not what we're looking to do anymore … That can't happen again. We need to start moving up and onward.”

There needs to be progression,” Davidson continued. “I don't know how many points or standing slots that is, but we can't finish second(-to) last in the league. I think the standard has to be raised. The expectation has to be raised. Through that, accountability will be raised. That's the nature of the path we're on. Eventually, we have to start making positive steps, and I think we've reached that point.

“Im not saying that we're going to be competing for playoffs or Stanley Cups or anything this next year, I don't know how realistic that is -- it's the best league in the world, best players and best teams in the world, and so to say we're just going to improve a whole great deal in the standings is difficult, but we need to be better. And it's time to take a step forward.”

He's failing by his own standard.

It was unacceptable to have another roster like last year’s. It was filled with sub-NHL talent, an embarrassment to the league, and awful for us fans to watch.

Davidson at least tried to do something about it. He brought in Teravainen and Bertuzzi to be top 9 depth. He brought in Martinez and Brodie for vet depth on D. He brought in Broissoit for goaltending depth. How is that not better than filling our roster out with: Tyler Johnson, Guttman, Katchouk, Entwhistle, Anthasiou, Blackwell, Reese Johnson, Tinordi, and Megna???

He made those statements in the offseason and sought to make the team better so he went out and acquired NHL talent. If that counts for nothing to you then you’re just a meatball and not worth the argument. Brodie is terrible, Martinez hasn’t been healthy, but our younger Dmen are getting minutes now and looking pretty good. Teravainen has been disappointing for sure but his contract is fine and he’s a WAY better option than what we had last season.

You’re bitching just to bitch dude.

 

[giza]

this 100% this.. we have a roster of bums. The point of a real GM who is rebuilding is too identify young talent and when someone comes along you shouldn't just pass on them because the roster is clogged with wait for it "bums".We already know Kurashev and Reichel are not the guys so why not roll dice on someone else like Kaliyev who might just need a change of scenery. Its constantly like KD thinks he is the smartest guy in room complex.

Because he actually could be worse.....he's supposed to be a scorer and doesn't score and doesn't skate....other team's garbage isn't Lourdes.

Bedard - solid
Reichel - terrible
Nazar - mediocre
Moore - terrible
Boisvert - mediocre
Vanacker - terrible
Kantserov - KHL lifer
Vlasic - solid
Korchinski - terrible
Levshunov - mediocre
Rinzel - mediocre

..Artur Kaliyev - franchise savior

This is a terrible summary....clearly, you picked the wrong time to stop sniffing glue.

 

[Clownish]

This is a terrible summary....clearly, you picked the wrong time to stop sniffing glue.

They are throwing a fit at the notion that another team's castoff could be something. Never mind that's basically how Jason Dickinson arrived. I'm not sure Kaliyev is the guy, but scoffing at the complete list of what has been available on the cheap over the past year is equally absurd.

 

[WarriorofTime]

They are throwing a fit at the notion that another team's castoff could be something. Never mind that's basically how Jason Dickinson arrived. I'm not sure Kaliyev is the guy, but scoffing at the complete list of what has been available on the cheap over the past year is equally absurd.

So.. players "on the cheap" have in fact, been acquired? lol

 

[Clownish]

So.. players "on the cheap" have in fact, been acquired? lol

One and crickets since then. Are you saying it's better to hang their hat on Craig Smith instead of Kappo Kakko?

 

[WarriorofTime]

One and crickets since then. Are you saying it's better to hang their hat on Craig Smith instead of Kappo Kakko?

What would you have traded for Kaapo Kakko to beat the package NYR received?

 

[x Tame Impala]

What would you have traded for Kaapo Kakko to beat the package NYR received?

I was disappointed the Hawks didn’t make an offer on him personally. The equivalent package Seattle sent over was more than fine. I would’ve done a 2nd and a prospect at most.

 

[Clownish]

What would you have traded for Kaapo Kakko to beat the package NYR received?

I'm not sure if you're trying to say the Hawks have no comparable assets or insinuating that those modest comps are untouchable.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I'm not sure if you're trying to say the Hawks have no comparable assets or insinuating that those modest comps are untouchable.

No, I'm asking as you've indicated it's malpractice that Kakko isn't here. What do you offer that NYR obviously says "yeah no duh" ahead of the Seattle offer for the rest of the season of Kappo Kakko and the right to skip the line on a potential UFA deal (as a player with 1-year left of Arb-RFA). They probably wanted Borgen and his cheap deal to replace Trouba in lineup spot, although I'm sure you could offer someone/something good enough to make them care less.

 

[Clownish]

Like tame_impala said, prospect + 2nd. Kaiser seems fine, but Martinez, Brodie, or Murphy could also work and adjust pick added accordingly. I'm sure you'll disagree that it could possibly be that straightforward.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Like tame_impala said, prospect + 2nd. Kaiser seems fine, but Martinez, Brodie, or Murphy could also work and adjust pick added accordingly. I'm sure you'll disagree that it could possibly be that straightforward.

What prospect

 

[Clownish]

I listed Kaiser.

 

[ello]

Not sure why the argument of "well what would we have traded" is so prevalent.

It's almost like theres someone making millions of dollars to come up with creative proposals and solutions who hasnt been doing so.

no offense but any GM couldve torn down our roster and drafted Bedard. He really hasnt done much else to improve our future other than through the draft which again, its not hard to trade good young players for picks.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Not sure why the argument of "well what would we have traded" is so prevalent.

It's almost like theres someone making millions of dollars to come up with creative proposals and solutions who hasnt been doing so.

it's almost like there are 32 teams and tons of players that get passed around the league every week, so the whining every time the hawks don't acquire such and such or so and so is silly, so it's good to get on record what trade people think (a) definitely would have been accepted and (b) is a good idea for a player that is near his UFA years, when they shout to "do something!" so we know what we're actually discussing

 

[TLEH]

it's almost like there are 32 teams and tons of players that get passed around the league every week, so the whining every time the hawks don't acquire such and such or so and so is silly, so it's good to get on record what trade people think (a) definitely would have been accepted and (b) is a good idea for a player that is near his UFA years, when they shout to "do something!" so we know what we're actually discussing

There’s been like 25 players on waivers the past two weeks and plenty of random trades but we’ve brought up two. Kaliyev and Kakko, two talented fowards who weren’t doing well with their teams. Seems like what we need more of. Talented forwards.

It’s not a big deal either that we didn’t, not the end of the world. I’m not calling them saviors. It doesn’t have to be so hyperbolic. He shouldn’t be fired and they aren’t saviors. But we need better forwards.

 

[BHFAN92]

Because he actually could be worse.....he's supposed to be a scorer and doesn't score and doesn't skate....other team's garbage isn't Lourdes.


This is a terrible summary....clearly, you picked the wrong time to stop sniffing glue.

you cant be serious..just cant be.

it's almost like there are 32 teams and tons of players that get passed around the league every week, so the whining every time the hawks don't acquire such and such or so and so is silly, so it's good to get on record what trade people think (a) definitely would have been accepted and (b) is a good idea for a player that is near his UFA years, when they shout to "do something!" so we know what we're actually discussing

its not like the Blackhawks are not the worst of 32 teams in NHL and should be using every avenue possible to "find" something to make the roster better..because signing washed up NHL players sure as f*** hasn't been the answer so maybe rolling the dice on a young under 24yr old with draft pedigree on waiver wire might be better answer than throwing i dunno 2 yr 7.5 mil on TJ f***ing Brodie

 

[kmwtrucks]

you cant be serious..just cant be.


its not like the Blackhawks are not the worst of 32 teams in NHL and should be using every avenue possible to "find" something to make the roster better..because signing washed up NHL players sure as f*** hasn't been the answer so maybe rolling the dice on a young under 24yr old with draft pedigree on waiver wire might be better answer than throwing i dunno 2 yr 7.5 mil on TJ f***ing Brodie

one is D player (brodie) the other is a forward. the D was signed so we did not have to force any of the young D into the NHL. I would have been open but we are already sitting Kurashev (probably better) most games. in fairness to a player on waiver's (young players) you should only take him if you are going to give him a real shot. not fair to take him for 2 weeks scratch him most games and wave him again.

 

[MHO]

I get that the idea of acquiring a young, highly drafted, player like Kakko at a discount because he wants out is intriguing. So we all think that we can get that guy for spare parts. But when multiple teams want that guy, that discount isn't so attractive anymore. People have said that they would be ok with Kaiser and a 2nd going the other way for Kakko and maybe I would be too. But you can argue that the Rangers would have taken Borgen anyway. He has more experience and is a right handed shot.

When it comes to claiming Kaliyev on waivers, yeah it costs literally nothing right? Well it does cost a roster spot. Sure we could put a variety of guys we have at the bottom of our roster on waivers but then we won't be able to trade them for anything at the deadline. So yeah, let's say they claim Kaliyev and put Kurashev on waivers to make room. I wouldn't hate it but I wouldn't really love it either.

 

[kmwtrucks]

-111 is the 8th worst since 2000. Climbing from the bottom of the Mariana Trench to somewhere near the edge of it is still the ocean floor.

So you wanted to go from -111 to +111 in one season. Im not sure if you are aware of that but that is not realistic. UFA signings tend to have modest impacts. which UFA signing has been Big this year? if you are trading assets for players you have to evaluate what type of player you might be in 2-3 years when you might be a playoff contender. When KD took over he did not have a high 1st in 2021 and did not have a 2022 1st (his first draft) our prospect pool was bottom 5 in the league because bowman kept putting old band ads on. right now on the blackhawks you have Vlasic and bedard, as young players that look part of the core and Allen, reichel Dach nazar would could be. then in the AHL we have KK, ARTY who will probably be added to the core in the next year or 2 (they are the only sure things IMO. guttman del mastro slaggert could be NHL players. all of which were pre KD
2022 we will add Rinzel, thompson, James greene to the AHL next year
2023 lardis moore added next year and kantersov in 2 years
2024 Sacha, vanancker, mustard, speallacy and pridham (lesser extent henry) are still a few years from AHL but have trended very well compared to there draft stock and all have size and speed.
and we have one of the most draft capital in the league over the next 3 drafts and more then likely add a little more this year.

we are in a OK spot. I hope next year we can get down another 35 +/- which would put us at about 1 pt per game (80 or so PTs) and then the next season (even+/-) which would be a playoff contender. of the teams in the league how many do you think could possible be called ST cup contenders? my quick look says 6-7 is your goal to be AVG or be part of those 6-7 for 5-10 year stretch?

 

[Pertti]

Jake Walman's name got thrown few times but I believe Detroit Red Wings didn't shop him, just called SJ Sharks and they said yes.

For culture you can't trade everybody out, 4-5 maybe max. Hall, Donato, Kurashev and Martinez out of team TD or summer. AA obviously.

For those holes sign better vets a'la Bertuzzi and Teräväinen.

I don't mind if kid steal roster spots from vets if the kids are ready, if they are not then let old farts play in NHL.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Numerous teams passed on Kaliyev for a reason even for the waiver wire. It took arguably the most dysfunctional team at the moment who has players openly quitting on their coach and gm to claim him