Post-Game Talk: We Blew a 3-0 Lead in the Third Period to the Oilers

[chosen]

Correct, that's what Hall of Famers (and leaders) would do. Let's lower expectations and think of a far lesser captain. Dion Phaneuf comes to mind.

So, to reset expectations, this: And Trouba couldn't even skate after him and stick a glove in his face.

They're Hall of Famers. Trying to compare Jacob Trouba in any way is absurd.

As for sticking a glove in the face type stuff, it's odd that you're complaining about the guy who punishes the opposition more than any other Ranger, and by a wide margin.

He's playing like crap. That's a fair criticism.

 

[CLW]

Chytil hasn't been the same player since his injury (concussion??) He was absolutely flying on the ice and driving play before it, now he looks tentative and handles the puck like it's a live grenade.

Fil's not smiling. I'll believe he is 100 when his big smile is back on his face.

 

[mike14]

I try not to draw too big of conclusions from the little things but that Trouba clip is really bad. His completely lack of response to being openly clowned like that is concerning

Let's not muck around, if Trouba had have retaliated and taken a penalty there'd be just as many posts in the PGT thread about how selfish he is and how his lack of leadership and calm stopped us from tying up the game late...

He's played poorly this season, but there's just no good outcome in the situation, as much as we always want to see our guys flay the flag (especially when we are frustrated about the resukt)

 

[Boris Zubov]

Let's not muck around, if Trouba had have retaliated and taken a penalty there'd be just as many posts in the PGT thread about how selfish he is and how his lack of leadership and calm stopped us from tying up the game late...

He's played poorly this season, but there's just no good outcome in the situation, as much as we always want to see our guys flay the flag (especially when we are frustrated about the resukt)

Nonsense. Anyone saying that would be disingenuously shit posting. Not standing up for yourself in that situation is a terrible look...it's inexcusible for the captain of the team.

 

[mike14]

Nonsense. Anyone saying that would be disingenuously shit posting. Not standing up for yourself in that situation is a terrible look...it's inexcusible for the captain of the team.

Fair enough then. Being down a man late in a game seems pretty pointless to me, but maybe that penalty energises the PK team and they can pull out a goal.

Does this mean Laf's penalty late was OK if he felt he was standing up for himself?

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

They're Hall of Famers. Trying to compare Jacob Trouba in any way is absurd.

As for sticking a glove in the face type stuff, it's odd that you're complaining about the guy who punishes the opposition more than any other Ranger, and by a wide margin.

He's playing like crap. That's a fair criticism.

Dion Phaneuf is not a Hall of Famer.

It does not require a current or future plaque in Toronto to stick a glove in someone's face. In fact, on good teams that are underperforming, these are the kinds of moments that can sometimes wake them up and get them to play with purpose...maybe even galvanize them enough to make a comeback in the game, or at least become tougher to play against in the short term.

Clearly, this is not an underperforming team...it's a mentally soft team that lacks for leadership in the room as evidenced by the fact that their "leader" can't stand up for himself, and no one else on the team can either. And it's also a poorly constructed roster that's buried the most potentially hungry players behind mediocrity and told them to get in line with the program or sit.

Forget the Hall of Fame - what do you think Gabriel Landeskog or Nick Foligno would have done in the moment if you knocked the stick out of their hand like that between play?

And Trouba is not punishing anyone this season.

 

[CLW]

Regardless of who the (next) coach is, things won't get better with the current 'leadership' trifecta of 20-93-10. Yes, they score the most points but then again they get all the PP time plus the most regular TOI. And yet, they glide on the ice most nights. Meanwhile the youngsters mostly defer to them as if they're gods.

The vets literally are gods in the NYR internal hierarchy. If you are a star with the Rangers you have made it. I pray the kids don't get brainwashed into this attitude if they ever get the reins of this team.

 

[LORDE]

Let's not muck around, if Trouba had have retaliated and taken a penalty there'd be just as many posts in the PGT thread about how selfish he is and how his lack of leadership and calm stopped us from tying up the game late...

He's played poorly this season, but there's just no good outcome in the situation, as much as we always want to see our guys flay the flag (especially when we are frustrated about the resukt)

That was after they scored to go up 4-3

The game was over.

Inexcusable pussery

 

[Boris Zubov]

Fair enough then. Being down a man late in a game seems pretty pointless to me, but maybe that penalty energises the PK team and they can pull out a goal.

Does this mean Laf's penalty late was OK if he felt he was standing up for himself?

One has nothing to do with another. Laf made a dumb play as a young player trying to be overly aggressive. He needs to learn from that.

Trouba had shit rubbed in his face & was taunted after an epic collapse & now he's an internet meme. Not standing up for yourself in that situation is extremely embarrassing.

 

[mike14]

That was after they scored to go up 4-3

The game was over.

Inexcusable pussery

2 mins left in the game.
I'm not arguing against you because it seems that the accepted wisdom is that risking the penalty is the correct option.

It is interesting though that 'leadership' in this situation is basically admitting the game is over. Different sports in different countries, but I'd be pissed if any of my team mates thought like that.

 

[LORDE]

2 mins left in the game.
I'm not arguing against you because it seems that the accepted wisdom is that risking the penalty is the correct option.

It is interesting though that 'leadership' in this situation is basically admitting the game is over. Different sports in different countries, but I'd be pissed if any of my team mates thought like that.

Again, I maintain you can lose and stand up for yourself or lose and not stand up for yourself or team

(I've been a Trouba defender BTW)

 

[mike14]

One has nothing to do with another. Laf made a dumb play as a young player trying to be overly aggressive. He needs to learn from that.

Trouba had shit rubbed in his face & was taunted after an epic collapse & now he's an internet meme. Not standing up for yourself in that situation is extremely embarrassing.

Makes sense. The intricacies of hockey are weird and awesome

Again, I maintain you can lose and stand up for yourself or lose and not stand up for yourself or team

(I've been a Trouba defender BTW)

Yup fair enough.
I'd prefer a "try to win/comeback" mentality, but it seems misplaced/mistimed here.
Probably one of 600 reasons I'm not a professional hockey player

 

[Kords]

The whole stick swat gif is funny as hell, but not an indictment on Trouba as a leader lmao.

Trouba was whacking at Drai before that goal, Drai had a nasty high ankle sprain last playoffs and i'm sure he didn't appreciate the gesture. Trouba got as much as he gave, he's not gonna tackle the dude after he scored a goal people. It's behind the play hockey stuff that happens all the time among competetive players. Just funny that it got caught in a gif.

Have a laugh and move on, let's not psycho analyze it.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Makes sense. The intricacies of hockey are weird and awesome

Hockey has a lot of dumb things about it such as staged fights & crosschecking players in the face for daring to poke at a loose puck in the crease. The latest trend is attacking a guy for laying out a teammate with a clean hit. Lame.

Immediately going after a guy who's showing you up on home ice after your team chokes away a 3 goal lead is not in the same category. If you can't stand up for yourself, show some fight & rally your teammates in that situation, you need to ask yourself why you play this sport.

 

[mike14]

Hockey has a lot of dumb things about it such as staged fights & crosschecking players in the face for daring to poke at a loose puck in the crease. The latest trend is attacking a guy for laying out a teammate with a clean hit. Lame.

Immediately going after a guy who's showing you up on home ice after your team chokes away a 3 goal lead is not in the same category. If you can't stand up for yourself, show some fight & rally your teammates in that situation, you need to ask yourself why you play this sport.

I think I get it and it kinda makes sense, it's just such a different mindset to how sport works on any team I've ever played on.
Retaliate in a way that might penalise the team late down here and no one is talking to you in the rooms after the game!

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

The whole stick swat gif is funny as hell, but not an indictment on Trouba as a leader lmao.

Trouba was whacking at Drai before that goal, Drai had a nasty high ankle sprain last playoffs and i'm sure he didn't appreciate the gesture. Trouba got as much as he gave, he's not gonna tackle the dude after he scored a goal people. It's behind the play hockey stuff that happens all the time among competetive players. Just funny that it got caught in a gif.

Have a laugh and move on, let's not psycho analyze it.

I disagree whole heartedly. It’s all about the setting. The Rangers are getting abused at home, have zero motivation, Drai just scores the fourth unawnsered goal in a row, in front of your home crowd, and purposely knocks your stick out of your hand in front of your own bench skating over to celebrate. That’s a whole lot of disrespect. Perfect opportunity to rough someone up and try to change the momentum of the game. On the flip side, you just skate away with your tail between your legs and you just got punked and did nothing about it. Very deflating for the bench to witness.

 

[egelband]

Dealing with adversity earlier rather than later in the season is always preferable, but that's assuming they overcome it. Agree that leadership on this team seems lacking. Honestly feels like they gave Trouba the C because he's the biggest and nastiest player, not because he's won over the locker room in any way. And him getting the C over more tenured players says quite a bit about the leadership overall

I would give everyone until the end of season to see if the ship can be righted. If they miss the playoffs there absolutely needs to be turnover

Yep. They can turn it around, for sure. And they have done it before. But at the moment they look pretty bad, despite the nice passing and possession numbers. My worry is that while the rangers might be one of the most talented teams in the league, the rest of the league is also very talented. It’s gonna have to be a dogfight and I’m not sure this team has the heart for that.

 

[egelband]

Regardless of who the (next) coach is, things won't get better with the current 'leadership' trifecta of 20-93-10. Yes, they score the most points but then again they get all the PP time plus the most regular TOI. And yet, they glide on the ice most nights. Meanwhile the youngsters mostly defer to them as if they're gods.

Exactly. The mindset in the lockerroom and on the ice reflects the corporate atmosphere handed down by MSG. Defer to superiors. Clock in. Do what your told. Clock out. Don’t mess up.

 

[ajdj10]

I think I get it and it kinda makes sense, it's just such a different mindset to how sport works on any team I've ever played on.
Retaliate in a way that might penalise the team late down here and no one is talking to you in the rooms after the game!

I've always found it funny how people lose their shit in ice hockey when a team's leading by a lot and still put their best players on the ice to try and score even more.
Just like when Hertl scored between the legs on us. People lost their shit.
Like how is it an offense if a team's trying to score and how they score.
In Australia we just try and win by as much as we can.

 

[Kords]

I disagree whole heartedly. It’s all about the setting. The Rangers are getting abused at home, have zero motivation, Drai just scores the fourth unawnsered goal in a row, in front of your home crowd, and purposely knocks your stick out of your hand in front of your own bench skating over to celebrate. That’s a whole lot of disrespect. Perfect opportunity to rough someone up and try to change the momentum of the game. On the flip side, you just skate away with your tail between your legs and you just got punked and did nothing about it. Very deflating for the bench to witness.

Agree to disagree then.

It's gamesmanship. Trouba initiated it with the dirty slashes. It's like when Merzlikins was whacking at Kreider last season and Kreider scores a few seconds later and screamed in the dudes face. Tackling a guy because you couldn't walk the walk is weak. He set himself up for it.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Agree to disagree then.

It's gamesmanship. Trouba initiated it with the dirty slashes. It's like when Merzlikins was whacking at Kreider last season and Kreider scores a few seconds later and screamed in the dudes face. Tackling a guy because you couldn't walk the walk is weak. He set himself up for it.

The other side of it is that he just gave you the perfect excuse to do something that could change the momentum of the game. Would think after 4 unanswered you'd be pissed off enough to take any little reason you can find to muddy the waters and rough someone up. Since Drai initiatied, it probably would have been just matching minors. I'm not saying he should McSorley someone, just grab a hold of someone and make a point. Just felt like the team could have used someone showing that they weren't going to stand for getting beat like that at home.

 

[Mike in Houston]

A better view of our captain.

 

[LORDE]

A better view of our captain.

"No quit in NY" my ass

Looks like a metric ton of quitting to me.

I don't care if he's hurt... sit him then.

If Gallant is SOOOOOOO concerned about losing games early (playing Trouba when hurt, not having confidence in the kids etc), all of his Costanza decisions to win ARE NOT WORKING

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Exactly. The mindset in the lockerroom and on the ice reflects the corporate atmosphere handed down by MSG. Defer to superiors. Clock in. Do what your told. Clock out. Don’t mess up.

Exactly. If I didn't know better I'd think they were government employees.

 

[bleedblue94]

If you mean drive the net then just say drive the net.

Why does it have to this nebulous nonsense?

You sound like a coach.

Because 200' NS hockey does not mean "drive the net," you aren't driving the net when you are being more NS on breakouts and through the NZ.

You're ridiculous. Like amusingly ridiculous. You throw darts at everyone and then can't handle any criticism for pretending to be dense without attempting to again turn things into an insult back at the other person. It's an art for sure, and you do a very good job at constantly deflecting things and subtly ridiculing others. Things like above. You're not stupid and yet you play so ignorant just so you can try to morph things to make some sort of backhanded insult and use a word you saw in the newspaper this morning.

I continue to expect more respect out of a moderator around here towards the posters here. This isn't just with me, you do this stuff to anyone that pushes back against you on anything. It ends with some quip, snide insult and you try to move on. Please stop doing it to people