GDT: We’re not in Dallas anymore CBJ@CAR

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No one played it well but Staal and Foegele botched their assignments the most and forced the d-men into a losing proposition. Either Dougie or Slavin *needed* to break up the pass or block Laine's shot in order to thwart the attempt but neither were able to. Once it got through, their was no Cane in sight and Atkinson puts in an easy rebound. I probably blame Foegele the most as he literally did nothing on the play and then Staal would be right behind him on that front. Watch the replay. I don't even understand what Foegele was attempting to do? Staal was lazy but Foegele literally skates away from the slot like he's going for a line change and there's no reason why. He doesn't go towards any CLB player or anything.

 

[tarheelhockey]

two years ago they (Dougie and Slavin) weren't together until 2nd half of the season IIRC, so it's harder to say.

5v5 TOI with last year (only looked at Slavin):
Staal: 407
Svech: 392
TT: 389
Aho: 370
Foegele: 344
Nino: 334

5v5 TOI with this year (again, only Slavin)
Svechnikov: 63
Foegele: 53
Aho: 52
McGinn: 51
Nino: 49
Staal: 48

In an extremely flimsy way, this vaguely suggests that they're being moved toward more top-line time, which could possibly mean more challenging defensive scenarios.

It's hard to put this into words, but it's almost easier to play the D position when your linemates are a bunch of grinders and 90% of the time is just spent playing whack-a-puck in the neutral zone. It's different when you're out there with the top line, there's serious pressure to score, and you're routinely handling the puck in the offensive zone. One little offensive mistake turns into a counterattack with an ocean of space behind you, which is a lot harder to handle defensively than just standing around at the blue line waiting for a dump-in. It's kind of like the paradox in football where it's way easier to play safety when the other team gets the ball in great field position. Even if your team is probably in bad shape, you personally have an easier assignment in covering a relatively small amount of space. When the other team is backed up to their own 5 and there's a golf course's worth of open field behind you, that's where you have a chance to look really bad if the smallest thing goes wrong.

Which is to say, some of these ugly plays might be the result of defending against the kinds of high-quality opportunities that happen when an opponent is counterattacking all the way up the ice without a lot of back-pressure from the forwards. That's actually a good thing for the Canes as a whole, even if it might mean Slavin and Hamilton get posterized more often than they used to.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

In an extremely flimsy way, this vaguely suggests that they're being moved toward more top-line time, which could possibly mean more challenging defensive scenarios.

It's hard to put this into words, but it's almost easier to play the D position when your linemates are a bunch of grinders and 90% of the time is just spent playing whack-a-puck in the neutral zone. It's different when you're out there with the top line, there's serious pressure to score, and you're routinely handling the puck in the offensive zone. One little offensive mistake turns into a counterattack with an ocean of space behind you, which is a lot harder to handle defensively than just standing around at the blue line waiting for a dump-in. It's kind of like the paradox in football where it's way easier to play safety when the other team gets the ball in great field position. Even if your team is probably in bad shape, you personally have an easier assignment in covering a relatively small amount of space. When the other team is backed up to their own 5 and there's a golf course's worth of open field behind you, that's where you have a chance to look really bad if the smallest thing goes wrong.

Which is to say, some of these ugly plays might be the result of defending against the kinds of high-quality opportunities that happen when an opponent is counterattacking all the way up the ice without a lot of back-pressure from the forwards. That's actually a good thing for the Canes as a whole, even if it might mean Slavin and Hamilton get posterized more often than they used to.

Spot on, I think.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I can't believe we're spending this much time on this play.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

haven't posted here in awhile, but i'm chiming in to say that it was clearly obviously foegele's fault. he's not good. anyways the reason i know this is because i am an expert at hockey. a woman who i was hospitalized for anorexia with had sex with a former hurricanes player, so i'm essentially an nhl player myself. i know stuff that people here don't. i am right.

EDIT: this is an incredible post, in my opinion. it may be my best.

I hope you're doing alright.

 

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I can't believe we're spending this much time on this play.

Just wait until we get to the 3rd goal scored by that baseball swing and then we can really get into sabermetrics like hard hit rates and launch angles...

 

[Anton Babchuk]

I hope you're doing alright.

i'm not but thanks for thinking of me!

i'm still on twitter btw! https://twitter.com/antonbabchuk

 

[tarheelhockey]

No one played it well but Staal and Foegele botched their assignments the most and forced the d-men into a losing proposition. Either Dougie or Slavin *needed* to break up the pass or block Laine's shot in order to thwart the attempt but neither were able to. Once it got through, their was no Cane in sight and Atkinson puts in an easy rebound. I probably blame Foegele the most as he literally did nothing on the play and then Staal would be right behind him on that front. Watch the replay. I don't even understand what Foegele was attempting to do? Staal was lazy but Foegele literally skates away from the slot like he's going for a line change and there's no reason why. He doesn't go towards any CLB player or anything.

I wrote a whole post and deleted it after I got a good look at 0:28-0:31 in the clip above. This whole thing comes down to one very simple mistake: checking the wrong shoulder.

The story in pictures:

Every aspect of all 5 players' behavior makes perfect sense, in the context of two forward backcheckers simultaneously checking the wrong shoulder.

The D did nothing wrong here. They held the line precisely where they were supposed to, having no reason to believe that both forwards would bail on their assignments at the last second.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

it was pretty obviously 100% foegele's fault

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Ok now that we are all in agreement *ducks* time to move to the second goal

 

[jstaal]

i'm not but thanks for thinking of me!

i'm still on twitter btw! https://twitter.com/antonbabchuk

I hope you feel better.

 

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Ok now that we are all in agreement *ducks* time to move to the second goal

OK, *that* one is easy...

- Slavin chases Foligno around the net and gives up the angle so it's easy for Foligno to throw the puck to the crease
- Dougie has body position in front of the net but isn't strong on his stick and Jenner is able to direct the puck into Reimer
- Clusterf*** bouncy puck happens and the rebound goes in

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

OK, *that* one is easy...

- Slavin chases Foligno around the net and gives up the angle so it's easy for Foligno to throw the puck to the crease
- Dougie has body position in front of the net but isn't strong on his stick and Jenner is able to direct the puck into Reimer
- Clusterf*** bouncy puck happens and the rebound goes in

I concur

 

[geehaad]

EDIT: this is an incredible post, in my opinion. it may be my best.

Eh. You didn't say anything about everyone else knowing nothing about hockey.

7/10

 

[Derailed75]

Breakdown the goals though. We know Reimer's weakness is rebound control. He often makes the first save but a lot of time the D hasn't been clearing the area to neutralize the second attempt and ultimately the resulting goal.

Let's take last night.

Goal 1 - Roslovic shakes Slavin and makes a good pass to Laine. Laine shoots and Reimer saves it and then Atikinson is there all alone without a D man in sight. Not blaming Reimer on that.

Goal 2 - Jenner scores on a rebound after Reimer saves the first point blank shot and then the puck kind of pinballs and goes in off Dougie's skate maybe? Not gonna fault Reimer there.

Goal 3 - Another rebound goal but also LOL that was baseball and no one knew where the puck was. You really want to pin that on Reimer?

I'm gonna go back further and break down all of the goals that the Canes have let in with Reimer in net this year but you can see the pattern. Reimer makes a save. D man/D men don't get to the rebound or clear the area. Other team scores.

Should Reimer be better at rebound control? Sure, that would be nice, but he's a big lanky guy and quick reflexes and stopping multiple attempts in the crease aren't going to be his thing. Canes need to do a better job at getting the puck out of the zone and moving it the other way. CLB had 40 shots and Reimer saved 37. I'm ok with that and if we're pointing fingers here it wouldn't be towards the crease.

Its not just thr goals. He hasn't looked confident at the start of any game he's been in. Now in fairness he looks better as the games go on. But he has ducked rising shots. Looked around at misses, goals, and stops with a very "wheres the puck" look. He just is not James from last year. Ned has looked and played much better and should be getting the bulk of the starts with Petr out

 

[Derailed75]

Reimer is a backup so I will not fault him for playing level goaltending

But he's not he's our 1b and he is supposed to be splitting time with Petr. However this year from his first start on he has played like a below average backup. Time to put Ned in and reduce Riemers work load. Hopefully by the time Petr is back James is back to form

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

In an extremely flimsy way, this vaguely suggests that they're being moved toward more top-line time, which could possibly mean more challenging defensive scenarios.

It's hard to put this into words, but it's almost easier to play the D position when your linemates are a bunch of grinders and 90% of the time is just spent playing whack-a-puck in the neutral zone. It's different when you're out there with the top line, there's serious pressure to score, and you're routinely handling the puck in the offensive zone. One little offensive mistake turns into a counterattack with an ocean of space behind you, which is a lot harder to handle defensively than just standing around at the blue line waiting for a dump-in. It's kind of like the paradox in football where it's way easier to play safety when the other team gets the ball in great field position. Even if your team is probably in bad shape, you personally have an easier assignment in covering a relatively small amount of space. When the other team is backed up to their own 5 and there's a golf course's worth of open field behind you, that's where you have a chance to look really bad if the smallest thing goes wrong.

Which is to say, some of these ugly plays might be the result of defending against the kinds of high-quality opportunities that happen when an opponent is counterattacking all the way up the ice without a lot of back-pressure from the forwards. That's actually a good thing for the Canes as a whole, even if it might mean Slavin and Hamilton get posterized more often than they used to.

It’s a trade off though because Staal typically had the toughest defensive assignments last year (more d zone starts, harder quality of competition) so being with Staal more last year meant tougher defensive assignments even if, like you said, it means the forwards you are with are better defensively. No idea how to try and parse that out though.

Slavin has always been the defensive stalwart on that pairing and he hasn’t looked right since covid, so it could be as simple as that.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Eh. You didn't say anything about everyone else knowing nothing about hockey.

7/10

I won't be satisfied until we get a "WARREN FOEGELE- OWEN POWER'S #1 FAN" video detailing the breakdown.

 

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Its not just thr goals. He hasn't looked confident at the start of any game he's been in. Now in fairness he looks better as the games go on. But he has ducked rising shots. Looked around at misses, goals, and stops with a very "wheres the puck" look. He just is not James from last year. Ned has looked and played much better and should be getting the bulk of the starts with Petr out

That’s fair. I’d agree that he hasn’t looked super confident and maybe a bit more scrambly then he normally is. Calm and well positioned is probably when he’s at his best. Although I did find that even last year Reimer had a propensity to not necessarily know where the puck is on stoppages, lots of look backs and whatnot.

Anyway, I know we’re all hoping that Petr can get back healthy soon. When they’re both on, working in tandem they are a pretty solid goalie duo.