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GDT: WCQF: Game 7 Blues @ Jets 6PM CST FDSNMW/TBS

Yzerman goal was 100x worse. I could care less about the Jets, but f*** the Red Wings. They will always be my most hated team. This team was never going to win a cup so while it sucks, we are not good enough yet to go through 4 rounds against cup contenders. And Dallas is going to eat whoever won this series bacon anyways. Jets are in trouble as the Stars are getting healthier and the Jets are going the other way with lots of banged up people.

Off the top of my head, these playoff losses were much worse:

Rams SB 36 - Refs a big part of this but Rams turned it over which was the only way they'd lose that year.
Rams 2003 double OT loss to Panthers - where Martz totally cucked out with chance to win game on last drive in 4th and settled for FG
Blues 2003 - Blew 3-1 lead to Canucks in a year where COL/DET were yoinked.
Cardinals 2012 NLCS - Played like mental midgets for the last 3 games and blew a 3-1 series lead.
Cardinals 1996 NLCS - Could have sent Ozzie out with a WS, instead they got outscored like 30-2 in the last 3 games and blew a 3-1 series lead against the Braves.

and ofcourse the Yzerman goal where they blew a 3-2 series lead after having Fuhr hurt due to Kypreos dirty Kadri like play

SB 36 will always be the worst loss in STL history until some team dethrones it.
Again, I'm talking about ONE game, not a series, not a "where were the Blues at X point in time in their history/what else was going around leaguewide/what was the path to the Cup if they won the series)....in terms of ONE GAME gut punch, name one worse in Blues history...blowing a 2 goal lead time in Game 7 with under 2 mins to go might be at the top of the list....Yzerman and this game seem close.
 
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Again, I'm talking about ONE game, not a series, not a "where were the Blues at X point in time in their history/what else was going around leaguewide/what was the path to the Cup if they won the series)....in terms of ONE GAME gut punch, name one worse in Blues history...blowing a 2 goal lead time in Game 7 with under 2 mins to go might be at the top of the list....Yzerman and this game seem close.
yzerman 100x worse and its not even close. a goal from a conference final birth with 16/99/44/2 on your roster vs a 2nd round birth with a team that only had a 4th line producing consistently vs a juggernaut stars team.

and none of these are as bad or even in the same ballpark as super bowl 36.
 
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I didn't sleep much either.

I agree, we still have far too much dead weight. I think that's what's bothering me - it's dead weight, not youthful inexperience. We're not the Ducks. This isn't a team with zero playoff experience getting their first taste of what it's like to try and lock down a game. The players we had out there at the end of this game are either 10+ year vets with multiple playoff runs or have Rings themselves. Sunny, Thomas, Schenn, and Parayko were all out there at the end. Buch, Suter, and Faulk too. Every single one of those guys should know better.

I'm still so f***ing pissed at Parayko. All he had to do was get involved in that board battle with 12 seconds left to go and help Thomas pin the puck to let the clock expire. Instead, he lurked outside and watched three Jets players dig while Thomas tried to keep the puck in place. Parayko is such a waste of a 6'6 human it's not even funny sometimes. Like, look at this:

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What the f***ing f*** are you doing there dude? There's no reason to stand outside that scrum. Put your huge f***ing body on at least one of those guys and shove his face in the f***ing glass and kill the clock. I mean just absolutely inexcusable from the guy who's supposed to be our franchise D.

I also want to say that Monty deserves a good amount of blame for this as well. I have two major criticisms - the first is that whatever we are doing in man down situations isn't working. We had the most abysmal PK under him for much of the season until the winning streak. We also gave up the most 6 v 5 goals in the league - something Boston had an issue with as well when he was there. I wonder how much of that is Claude Julien's influence (He's an assistant for us now), as some people have mentioned that Boston still plays man down situations with a lot of the elements of Julien's system, and it hasn't worked out well for them either.

The other issue I have with Monty is that he gets far too conservative far too early. I can understand shortening your bench a bit with say under 5 minutes to go, but he started doing all sorts of stupid shit with 15 minutes left in the game. We kept putting extra faceoff guys out there during D-zone draws, and then when we would win them, the extra guy would scurry off the ice. This would f*** up our breakout, and then subsequently our forecheck. That's why we looked like we were turtling, b/c Monty kept playing stupid games with the lines. Bolduc didn't see the ice once after the 15 minute mark of the third period. Joseph got like two shifts. Kyrou was playing hopscotch - he would pop on, we'd lose possession b/c no one was on the right side, and then he'd have to pop back off. The Joseph-Sunny-Bolduc line had one of the best xGA/60 of any line that played a minimum of 150 minutes - they were just as good, if not better, then the WTF line at holding down the fort - yet by Monty's actions you would never know it. That leads to gassed out players by the end of the game, and then you have situations like we just saw. There's no reason to shorten the bench with 15 minutes to go and up by 2. You roll the lines and continue to play your game, you don't f*** around and give away all the momentum.

I know I should be excited about the long view, b/c it still looks bright, but man I simply cannot right now.
this post mirrors my thoughts as well. Parayko got better as the series went on but he made a lot of low IQ mistakes and if you go through the highlights you'll notice that several of the Jets goals across the series were due to him not covering his man or puck watching while out of position.

Claude Julien stopped being a good or relevant coach like 8 years ago and it is troubling he's on the Blues bench. The coaching in general was painful in this series, nothing as bad as what the Kings fans had to deal with since Monty is who helped get them to the postseason in the first place - but damn, someone needs to have a sit down chat with him and remind him of some hockey fundamentals.
 
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Yzerman goal was 100x worse. I could care less about the Jets, but f*** the Red Wings. They will always be my most hated team. This team was never going to win a cup so while it sucks, we are not good enough yet to go through 4 rounds against cup contenders. And Dallas is going to eat whoever won this series bacon anyways. Jets are in trouble as the Stars are getting healthier and the Jets are going the other way with lots of banged up people.

Off the top of my head, these playoff losses were much worse:

Rams SB 36 - Refs a big part of this but Rams turned it over which was the only way they'd lose that year.
Rams 2003 double OT loss to Panthers - where Martz totally cucked out with chance to win game on last drive in 4th and settled for FG
Blues 2003 - Blew 3-1 lead to Canucks in a year where COL/DET were yoinked.
Cardinals 2012 NLCS - Played like mental midgets for the last 3 games and blew a 3-1 series lead.
Cardinals 1996 NLCS - Could have sent Ozzie out with a WS, instead they got outscored like 30-2 in the last 3 games and blew a 3-1 series lead against the Braves.

and ofcourse the Yzerman goal where they blew a 3-2 series lead after having Fuhr hurt due to Kypreos dirty Kadri like play

SB 36 will always be the worst loss in STL history until some team dethrones it.
Yep on all accounts. Great lesson for these youngins.

And as Badger posted, dead weight bye bye.
 
this post mirrors my thoughts as well. Parayko got better as the series went on but he made a lot of low IQ mistakes and if you go through the highlights you'll notice that several of the Jets goals across the series were due to him not covering his man or puck watching while out of position.

Claude Julien stopped being a good or relevant coach like 8 years ago and it is troubling he's on the Blues bench. The coaching in general was painful in this series, nothing as bad as what the Kings fans had to deal with since Monty is who helped get them to the postseason in the first place - but damn, someone needs to have a sit down chat with him and remind him of some hockey fundamentals.
I can see that Parayko was maybe confused about his role. Maybe some mixed signals from the coaching staff. But that shouldn’t matter if that was the case. He’s been in the NHL for a long time now.
 
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All 3 wins came from blow outs where they didn’t have any pressure to close out the game. I remember thinking how bad the Blues looked in game 6 when the Jets pulled their goalie with 4 minutes left. Never came close to scoring and were extremely passive!

Maybe use that time to practice their 6 on 5 with some new players? Still shocked, too many guys don’t have it in their DNA when the clock is ticking late.

The Blues also have to lead the league with the quickest/most goals given up to go along with never scoring when they pull the goalie trying to tie it.
 
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I fear that the 6-on-5 situation may be left over from when Monty was here as an assistant. Regardless, I hope the coaching staff takes a good hard look at that list and figures out what the teams at the bottom are doing to be so successful.

I expect that one of the changes we will see in the offseason is with the assistant coaches. Monty just ran with the same staff that Bannister started the season with, but I expect he's going to want to bring in some fresh perspectives for next season. Much to the chagrin of many in this space, I expect Ott is the safest bet to be back unless he gets a shot as the head coach somewhere. I think Julien will probably move on.
 
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Oh for chrissakes, what a horrible take. You and others here trying to single out players for blame probably never played meaningful sports. IT'S SPORTS, GUYS!!!!! Every competition, one wins, one has to lose, that's life, accept it! Opponents want to win too, so sometimes you have to tip your cap when they get the job done better than you. Yes, it hurts losing that way, basically 2 seconds from taking the series. But you can use another perspective, these guys were seconds from taking down the best team in NHL record-wise. Don't be sore loser complainers. Our guys played a great series, they deserve respect, not blame.
Im not singling Parayko out as the reason for the loss, dont put words in my mouth -- Im making an opinionated statement on his compete level based on his lackadaisical post-game interview. All good if you dont agree. Ive played hockey since I was 8. You dont need to lecture me on sports, thats all Ive done since I was able to run. Im not going to list my accolades as that is cringey, but trust me -- leave that one alone. I was and still am extremely competitive is all Ill say.

Its fair to criticize players. Your take is also fair. Thats the point of the forum and many of us were venting as well. You really shouldnt take too much out of what people say in the GDT during or after games. Relax, its just words. There are people who complain constantly for no reason but that is not me. Im sure you know who they are. Have a good one.
 
All I ask is for Kyrou and Faulk to be gone.

As for SB36 being the worst loss in city history, no, no way. Nothing will overtake Game 6 1985. That made a subdued fanbase give out death threats to the umpire who will remain nameless. The Patriots were a great team that was well coached. I don’t care who you are, you’re going to have a hard time winning a game if you turn over the ball three times. Much less a Super Bowl. Losing to the Royals was like losing to a Rotary Club softball team.
 
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Oh for chrissakes, what a horrible take. You and others here trying to single out players for blame probably never played meaningful sports. IT'S SPORTS, GUYS!!!!! Every competition, one wins, one has to lose, that's life, accept it! Opponents want to win too, so sometimes you have to tip your cap when they get the job done better than you. Yes, it hurts losing that way, basically 2 seconds from taking the series. But you can use another perspective, these guys were seconds from taking down the best team in NHL record-wise. Don't be sore loser complainers. Our guys played a great series, they deserve respect, not blame.
Wow! This post almost rivals the famous “Playoffs?!?!” post-game comment
 
I will pile on and also say that last night's game was probably more embarrassing than heartbreaking.

The Yzerman goal was both...to the nth-degree.

Another thing...

In the play-in game, Cerrano dismisses Jobu and hits the homer ("I pissed off now. Jobu. Look I good to you, I stick up for you. If you no help me now, I say f*** you, Jobu. I do it myself."). Did the Blues not toss Jobu in the trash before Game 7?

(Edited to add: I totally forgot that Cerrano went on to become President Palmer. Dreams do come true!)
 
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Heartbreaking to lose the series in that way giving up 2 goals late, but in context of the entire season, I'm perfectly happy with how things went. I think there are strong feelings because the Blues looked like the better team the entire series so you're pissed they squandered the opportunity, but to make the playoffs after being dead to rights, borderline embarrassing the best team in the league, proving Hellebuyck is not who he says he is, getting experience for the young players - all of that is the cherry on top. I was never under the assumption we would go deep, and to push the series to 7 is a testament to the team. Again, heartbreaking to lose a series you should've won, but we move on to next season.
 
Yzerman goal was 100x worse. I could care less about the Jets, but f*** the Red Wings. They will always be my most hated team. This team was never going to win a cup so while it sucks, we are not good enough yet to go through 4 rounds against cup contenders. And Dallas is going to eat whoever won this series bacon anyways. Jets are in trouble as the Stars are getting healthier and the Jets are going the other way with lots of banged up people.

Off the top of my head, these playoff losses were much worse:

Rams SB 36 - Refs a big part of this but Rams turned it over which was the only way they'd lose that year.
Rams 2003 double OT loss to Panthers - where Martz totally cucked out with chance to win game on last drive in 4th and settled for FG
Blues 2003 - Blew 3-1 lead to Canucks in a year where COL/DET were yoinked.
Cardinals 2012 NLCS - Played like mental midgets for the last 3 games and blew a 3-1 series lead.
Cardinals 1996 NLCS - Could have sent Ozzie out with a WS, instead they got outscored like 30-2 in the last 3 games and blew a 3-1 series lead against the Braves.

and ofcourse the Yzerman goal where they blew a 3-2 series lead after having Fuhr hurt due to Kypreos dirty Kadri like play

SB 36 will always be the worst loss in STL history until some team dethrones it.

This is the correct listing of STL sports pain. Literally nailed them all. I'd even add NLCS 2014 where Ishikawa walked Wacha off. That was some pain too. But Yzerman will always be at the top. I was geeked about that team with Gretzky. And it all unraveled.
 
This is the correct listing of STL sports pain. Literally nailed them all. I'd even add NLCS 2014 where Ishikawa walked Wacha off. That was some pain too. But Yzerman will always be at the top. I was geeked about that team with Gretzky. And it all unraveled.
The Wacha walkoff was due to Matheny being Matheny and overusing Pat Neshek, Randy Choate and a few others in that series. Overused them and they blew numerous games in that series. Then he threw Wacha in there when he had not pitched in like 2 or 3 weeks or whatever it was.

The 1985 World Series choke was before my time but in no way does that top SB 36 @Ridge1982. They still had Game 7. The Rams got hosed in that game and losing that game ruined their dynasty and led to them leaving the city. I could go on for hours about SB36 but that was 100% a officiating screwjob accelerated by Mike Martz's playcalling and refusal to use the best player in the league Faulk to run the ball at all. Bernie Kukar the lead ref let so much shit go that game including holds on every play but the main one is that on Ty Law's pick 6, Warner was delivered a obvious blow to the head that should and would now be called 100% of the time without question. Tom Brady was gifted the biggest joke MVP of his career, literally got one for being a game manager.
 
Game 7 was a forgone conclusion. You could see it in the eyes of Whitey and some players in the postgame interviews. The Rams still had a chance to send that game into OT, but Lovie Smith decided to use a prevent defense in the final drive. Dumb.
 
Historically, officials swallow their whistles in Super Bowls. Belichick understood this. You would think Martz did after being involved in one two years prior. And don’t get me started on his usage or lack thereof of Faulk.
 
Watching that last 20 seconds back, so many chances to make a play. Still in total shock.

Really hope it's not a San Jose Sharks 2019 moment for this group. Another what if season to add to the franchise history. Has Army made any public comments yet?
 
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Congrats guys feel like Blues got a bright future ahead.. To be basically a coin-flip away from beating the #1 seed, along with their 12 wins in a row streak to even make the playoffs, is impressive by itself.

Btw.. is it ok to pronounce Missouri like Misery?
 
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Watching that last 20 seconds back, so many chances to make a play. Still in total shock.

Really hope it's not a San Jose Sharks 2019 moment for this group. Another what if season to add to the franchise history. Has Army made any public comments yet?

Tomorrow end of season stuff will be happening.
 
Congrats guys feel like Blues got a bright future ahead.. To be basically a coin-flip away from beating the #1 seed, along with their 12 wins in a row streak to even make the playoffs, is impressive by itself.

Btw.. is it ok to pronounce Missouri like Misery?
What do you mean? That's legitimately how it's pronounced? How else would it be pronounced?
 
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I think after they went up 2-0 last night they took their foot off the pedal and played to not lose and they got the result they deserved.

Game 5 should have been more of an advantage since Winnipeg had to game plan how to deal with Schielfe’s injury live.
I couldn’t believe it! At home we stepped on the gas when the Jets/Hellebuyk were vulnerable. In games 5 and 7 we sat back! To only have 8 shots in the final 2 periods against that goalie and the players they were missing is inexcusable
 

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