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86Habs said:
I'll play along...what were the supposed gimmicks at the Olympics?
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Yeah the refuge team.

If the teams that would fill up the 7 and 8 spots where closer to being competitive I might understand people's hate for the gimmick teams but it actually gives us 8 teams with a chance to win.


I would change how the gimmick teams are set up slightly but I would keep them. Team Europe should be able to take all of Europe's leftover so Swedens untaken defense etc.

North America should have no age limit so they can take cast offs like hall subban and letang

. While canada and the states would pick first and get to pick the kids if they wanted so people can't complain it's not best on best because a bunch of guys that wouldn't be picked weren't availible to be taken.
 
Jussi said:
You do know the difference between competing under a "refugee flag" as individuals and competing as a team in a team sports?
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You're missing the point. Perhaps it's because you've missed all the posts earlier ITT saying the WC isn't an international competition?
 
Mr Writer said:
Ya, let me know when the hockey nations ranked 7 through to 10 are so ravaged by social and political upheaval that competing in international events for those athletes is not possible.

The comparison you are attempting to make is embarrassing.
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Go back and read the earlier posts ITT saying the WC is not an international event. Then read carefully the explanations given and ask yourself if the summer Olympics met this criteria.

Be honest now, no goalpost shifting.
 
Seanaconda said:
If the teams that would fill up the 7 and 8 spots where closer to being competitive I might understand people's hate for the gimmick teams but it actually gives us 8 teams with a chance to win.
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So what?

If sport was all about parity then the NHL, MLB, NBA and NFL would be merging franchises left and right.

The "Miracle on Ice" would never have happened because Team USA would have been included in Team World alongside Holland, Poland, Romania, Norway and Japan. No use having a bunch of pathetic American college kids wasting their time against the USSR, right?

Meanwhile the FIFA World Cup would include Team Africa, Team Asia, Team rest-of-Europe and Team CONCACAF in order to get rid of all the teams who show up only to take part and mostly lose.

Underdogs are part of what makes sport so compelling.
 
Gary Nylund said:
Re. eligibility, have a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zola_Budd

I don't know if the rules have changed but there were several stories this year about athletes representing nations they had at best a tenuous connection to. One was a US gymnast on the Belarus team I believe and another was a swimmer on the Canadian team who I believe had never even been to Canada. This is just for interest sake, if the NHL has some exhibition tournament then of course they can make up whatever rules they like.
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Not sure how they do things in track or swimming, but that is irrelevant to hockey. It's the individual sporting feds that set and enforce the eligibility rules for the respective sports they govern, not the IOC/Olympics.

IIHF eligibility rules

Obviously it still allows for a country to just recruit instead of produce players, but as I said up thread, the rules are strict enough that even if a team does load up on ringers it isn't really going to get them that far, and generally the countries that have gone down that route eventually abandon it. At the very least it makes the player and the national fed make some sort of long term commitment to each other, which is considerably different than Mark Giordano playing for for Italy at the WCup because his last name ends in a vowel.:)
 
Seanaconda said:
Yeah the refuge team.

If the teams that would fill up the 7 and 8 spots where closer to being competitive I might understand people's hate for the gimmick teams but it actually gives us 8 teams with a chance to win.


I would change how the gimmick teams are set up slightly but I would keep them. Team Europe should be able to take all of Europe's leftover so Swedens untaken defense etc.

North America should have no age limit so they can take cast offs like hall subban and letang

. While canada and the states would pick first and get to pick the kids if they wanted so people can't complain it's not best on best because a bunch of guys that wouldn't be picked weren't availible to be taken.
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You still dont think you downgrading this tourney to level of some junior summer camp with Canada white, red, yellow etc.? This is not preseason scrimmage. Prediction how would B teams do should stay in internet discussion. There is only one national team, not B team or C team. Its actually unfair advantage to give chance to that players to play there. Why should be there north american players? I need some czechs to get experience as well...
 
Canuckistani said:
So what?

If sport was all about parity then the NHL, MLB, NBA and NFL would be merging franchises left and right.

The "Miracle on Ice" would never have happened because Team USA would have been included in Team World alongside Holland, Poland, Romania, Norway and Japan. No use having a bunch of pathetic American college kids wasting their time against the USSR, right?

Meanwhile the FIFA World Cup would include Team Africa, Team Asia, Team rest-of-Europe and Team CONCACAF in order to get rid of all the teams who show up only to take part and mostly lose.

Underdogs are part of what makes sport so compelling.
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we already have different tournaments with all of those already tho?

Why can't the nhl make one that's different with 8 competitive teams. They get to make it how they want it I'm glad it's not a complete Olympic clone or a whc clone with only the 3 game final being much different.
 
Jablkon said:
You still dont think you downgrading this tourney to level of some junior summer camp with Canada white, red, yellow etc.? This is not preseason scrimmage. Prediction how would B teams do should stay in internet discussion. There is only one national team, not B team or C team. Its actually unfair advantage to give chance to that players to play there. Why should be there north american players? I need some czechs to get experience as well...
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That's why I think team Europe should be allowed to take all the leftovers from all over Europe as well so if the Czechs had anyone good left off the national team they could get picked by team Europe.
 
Seanaconda said:
Yeah the refuge team.

If the teams that would fill up the 7 and 8 spots where closer to being competitive I might understand people's hate for the gimmick teams but it actually gives us 8 teams with a chance to win.


I would change how the gimmick teams are set up slightly but I would keep them. Team Europe should be able to take all of Europe's leftover so Swedens untaken defense etc.

North America should have no age limit so they can take cast offs like hall subban and letang

. While canada and the states would pick first and get to pick the kids if they wanted so people can't complain it's not best on best because a bunch of guys that wouldn't be picked weren't availible to be taken.
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Can you just briefly explain me why you tolerate notoriously bad teams in NHL? Latvia is probably more succesfull than Leafs so what we talking about here? Why the hell should be this scene subject to such a bizzare testing?
 
Seanaconda said:
That's why I think team Europe should be allowed to take all the leftovers from all over Europe as well so if the Czechs had anyone good left off the national team they could get picked by team Europe.
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My mistake, if they eliminate Czech team people would hate them here. That wouldn't work. Forget it....
 
Jablkon said:
Can you just briefly explain me why you tolerate notoriously bad teams in NHL? Latvia is probably more succesfull than Leafs so what we talking about here? Why the hell should be this scene subject to such a bizzare testing?
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NHL isn't a two week tournament having teams tanking and cycling through cup runs and rebuilds is the fun and strategy behind it.

Even add more teams and have a round robin or something to choose the teams but I like having the 2 teams of left overs if you got rid of the age limit and the country restriction for team Europe. You could have klingberg playing that way.

And I like the idea of seeing how motivated the underdogs left off their home nations teams would be to show them how wrong they were by not picking them. I'm sure hall letang and subban would wanna show team canada they are wrong for leaving them off. And Kessel before he was out from surgery but left off team USA.

You would have to change the rules for team north America and team Europe but I would love seeing the cast-offs proving everyone wrong.
 
Gary Nylund said:
You're missing the point. Perhaps it's because you've missed all the posts earlier ITT saying the WC isn't an international competition?
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I'm personally very glad that all the basketball, football, field hockey and handball tournaments in the Olympics were international. Although I'm sure that Bettman and his cronies wouldn't have minded if they'd had an Olympic basketball tournament with teams USA 1, USA 2, USA 3, USA 4, Team South America, Team Europe, Team Africa and Team Asia.
 
Lepardi said:
I'm personally very glad that all the basketball, football, field hockey and handball tournaments in the Olympics were international. Although I'm sure that Bettman and his cronies wouldn't have minded if they'd had an Olympic basketball tournament with teams USA 1, USA 2, USA 3, USA 4, Team South America, Team Europe, Team Africa and Team Asia.
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Soccer in the Olympics isn't best on best tho don't they have an age rule?
 
Jablkon said:
My mistake, if they eliminate Czech team people would hate them here. That wouldn't work. Forget it....
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No they wouldn't eliminate the team team Europe would just be allowed to take someone that didn't make team Czech.

You guys took hemsky so I'm not really sure how many great players you guys have that wouldn't make the national team but if you had any team Europe should be able to take them. Like they should be able to take klingberg cuz Sweden doesn't want him.
 
Canuckistani said:
Because this Bettman Cup garbage will soon replace the Olympics.
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Hopefully that doesn't happen. If they don't go to the Olympics sure just steal that format and make it the same. But while they still are going to the Olympics I see no reason to have the 2 tournaments basically the same.
 
Seanaconda said:
No they wouldn't eliminate the team team Europe would just be allowed to take someone that didn't make team Czech.

You guys took hemsky so I'm not really sure how many great players you guys have that wouldn't make the national team but if you had any team Europe should be able to take them. Like they should be able to take klingberg cuz Sweden doesn't want him.
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As I said, people here are not that focused on quality of hockey or players. They definetely dont want to see czech players beating team Czech Republic. They want to see Czech team winning. If there were lets say Hudler, Vrbata or Zacha playing against our team, people wouldn't accept it. I mean in case that team Europe eliminates us, they would hate them and I am sure that a lot of accusation of betrayal would appear.....at least on internet.
 
Seanaconda said:
Hopefully that doesn't happen. If they don't go to the Olympics sure just steal that format and make it the same. But while they still are going to the Olympics I see no reason to have the 2 tournaments basically the same.
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The more best-on-best hockey the better.

We don't need best-on-best and then a glorified all-star game.
 
Jablkon said:
As I said, people here are not that focused on quality of hockey or players. They definetely dont want to see czech players beating team Czech Republic. They want to see Czech team winning. If there were lets say Hudler, Vrbata or Zacha playing against our team, people wouldn't accept it. I mean in case that team Europe eliminates us, they would hate them and I am sure that a lot of accusation of betrayal would appear.....at least on internet.
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Why it's your countries fault for not taking them ?
 
Canuckistani said:
The more best-on-best hockey the better.

We don't need best-on-best and then a glorified all-star game.
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If you made those rule changes it would be completely best on best with two teams built on cast-offs the national teams didn't want and guys from countries that didn't make the tournament.

So all the national teams would have no restrictions on picking their teams plus 2 other decent teams with guys motivated to show they belong in the big games.
 
Gary Nylund said:
This seems to a perfectly valid point. It should be interesting to see where the goal posts get shifted to this time. :laugh:
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For men's Olympic soccer there is indeed an age restriction of 23 years old, with 3 overage players permitted per team. Every team in the qualifying rounds and eventual Olympic tournament consist of players only from their countries, and is subject to the exact same age restrictions. Vastly different from the upcoming hockey World Cup where two of the eight teams have age restrictions imposed on them, and two don't even represent distinct countries.

Apples and oranges, really.
 
Seanaconda said:
Why it's your countries fault for not taking them ?
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Man, I dont know from where you are but this is going to be ridiculous discussion. No, its not my country fault so as its not fault of team Canada that they didnt pick Subban. They simply didn't want him. It's same with these czech players.

Its nice you have so many innovative ideas. I might be too conservative but people here treat our national team in very very respectful way even if we basically suck from 2010. There is no other more important representation of this country than the hockey team, and that probably includes even the president. So in Canada you probably dont mind that McDavid weaken your team chances because he plays against your team, but here people would mind a lot if czech players play against our team. Its not a Nedved's case, he has canadian passport as well. Those would remain solely czechs but just play against us.
 
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