WC: WC: 2024 Team Sweden Roster Talk

[EK47]

My favourite memory of him is not any of his calls, unless it was him who did the Zibanejad's WJC golden goal call. Thats one of my all time favourites. My favourite memory of him is how polite he is and how is a pure class as a person.

That was Chris and Micke Renberg!

 

[FinPanda]

That was Chris and Micke Renberg!

That was an amazing call, genuinely made me happy for Sweden.

 

[Old Man Jags]

There were several other issues. Mainly the fact that all swedish centers are primarily defensive minded. So the puck distribution was lacking. Raymond and Kempe are top class complimentary pieces but neither of them are used to driving a line. And ofcourse Czechia were exceptionally good at exposing the weaknesses with the offensive defensemen.

Fair points. But Sweden came at us in the first period and dominated as I expected them to from the get-go, just didn’t follow it up and we adjusted. I thought after the first eight minutes that we lose 7-2 or something.

It seemed at times that we beat them mentally, not because they were executing badly. Looked like we counteracted their initial dominant onslaught. And if your game plan is counteracted by another team that plays tactically smart, it gets difficult. Plus there were the unlucky bounces. We had one against us as well - Krejcik own goal 20 second after which we equalised - which I thought would break our team. 1-2 behind against this Swedish Defence we an Italy feared game ober.

But instead the other lucky goal off the referee to make it 3-2 seemed to break the Sweeds for a while.

We also committed a major foul that deserved 5+20 and was overlooked then (Rutta is now suspended for the final). After that, the referees MASSIVELY overcompensated for Sweden (non-faul by Rutta, tons of Swedish trips not called, like the crazy glaring one on Pastrnak, etc), which should have raised Sweden’s confidence. We know IIHF refs are terrible against absolutely every team but after the Rutta missed call, it was insane. I cannot understand this experienced Sweden team did not take advantage.

 

[EK47]

Fair points. But Sweden came at us in the first period and dominated as I expected them to from the get-go, just didn’t follow it up and we adjusted. I thought after the first eight minutes that we lose 7-2 or something.

It seemed at times that we beat them mentally, not because they were executing badly. Looked like we counteracted their initial dominant onslaught. And if your game plan is counteracted by another team that plays tactically smart, it gets difficult. Plus there were the unlucky bounces. We had one against us as well - Krejcik own goal 20 second after which we equalised - which I thought would break our team. 1-2 behind against this Swedish Defence we an Italy feared game ober.

But instead the other lucky goal off the referee to make it 3-2 seemed to break the Sweeds for a while.

We also committed a major foul that deserved 5+20 and was overlooked then (Rutta is now suspended for the final). After that, the referees MASSIVELY overcompensated for Sweden (non-faul by Rutta, tons of Swedish trips not called, like the crazy glaring one on Pastrnak, etc), which should have raised Sweden’s confidence. We know IIHF refs are terrible against absolutely every team but after the Rutta missed call, it was insane. I cannot understand this experienced Sweden team did not take advantage.

Agreed

Fortunatley I was busy and missed most of the second period

 

[VictorLustig]

Couldn’t watch the last two games but can anyone explain to me why they didn’t use Karlsson on the first PP? Hedman and Dahlin are fine players but Karlsson was quite clearly on a different level in the games I saw.

 

[Eye of Ra]

This team had 2 stay at home D in Pettersson/ Brodin. We should have gone with Nemeth/Salomonsson instead of Heed and Bengtsson. Too many ballerinas in the backend.

 

[EK47]

Couldn’t watch the last two games but can anyone explain to me why they didn’t use Karlsson on the first PP? Hedman and Dahlin are fine players but Karlsson was quite clearly on a different level in the games I saw.

Yeah, mind boggling. Maybe they thought the second PP needed Karlsson to be functional? I also don’t understand why they switched sides from the first few games on Olofsson and Burakovsky. The reason you want Olofsson there at all is his one-timer and putting him on the left side then just doesn’t make sense.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Olofsson 4 points in 9 games...

 

[EK47]

This team had 1 stay at home D in Pettersson. We should have gone with Nemeth/Salomonsson instead of Heed and Bengtsson. Too many ballerinas in the backend.

You don’t consider Brodin, one of the best shut down defensemen in the NHL a stay at home d-man?

 

[Eye of Ra]

You don’t consider Brodin, one of the best shut down defensemen in the NHL a stay at home d-man?

yes, forgot him.

 

[EK47]

Olofsson 4 points in 9 games...

He got a lot worse in an instant when they moved him to the left side on the powerplay. It looked fine when Bura was on the left side. And it also made way more sense since bura is a more creative player. Whoever was in charge of that mess needs to be let go.

 

[Slimmy]

I couldnt watch semis with any real level of attention. With that said, if our offense should come from our D and Czechs are known for their counterattack break aways, forwards need to back check like their life depends on it. Doesnt seem to have been the case in the semis.

 

[Slimmy]

He isn’t really a line driver so the lack of quality puck distribution from the available center options really hurt him. He looked better last year when Carlsson centered him. Still did pretty well though.

What i dont get with that analysis is that he still looked good on Detroit with Larkin missing from the line up. In my mind he could crwate something from nothing. But didnt see much of that i this years WHC.

 

[Garl]

This team had 2 stay at home D in Pettersson/ Brodin. We should have gone with Nemeth/Salomonsson instead of Heed and Bengtsson. Too many ballerinas in the backend.

I agree on Heed and Bengtsson, but honestly, Hedman shouldnt be bad and Dahlin aswell. It is a system problem rather than personalities.

 

[hockeyprospects9]

Eh, who cares! We've got 4-nations, home WC and Olympics coming up.

 

[Pavels Dog]

A lot of negativity about a team that dominated most of the tournament.

 

[NuTarViDom]

A lot of negativity about a team that dominated most of the tournament.

It's the standard way of looking at hockey in Sweden, a tournament where we beat The US, Finland and Canada is called a total failure due to losing to the eventual gold medalists in the SF. We have trouble seeing the bigger picture sometimes.

 

[theslatcher]

Couldn’t watch the last two games but can anyone explain to me why they didn’t use Karlsson on the first PP? Hedman and Dahlin are fine players but Karlsson was quite clearly on a different level in the games I saw.

Karlsson started at PP1, on the left wing of Hedman who was the QB throughout the tournament for whatever reason.

Through the group stage PP1 sucked and PP2 did good. So to fix this they just tried swapping Karlsson & Dahlin. PP1 continued to suck whenever Dahlin didn't have the puck.

 

[EK47]

What i dont get with that analysis is that he still looked good on Detroit with Larkin missing from the line up. In my mind he could crwate something from nothing. But didnt see much of that i this years WHC.

Can’t argue with that.

 

[weklof]

Karlsson started at PP1, on the left wing of Hedman who was the QB throughout the tournament for whatever reason.

Through the group stage PP1 sucked and PP2 did good. So to fix this they just tried swapping Karlsson & Dahlin. PP1 continued to suck whenever Dahlin didn't have the puck.

Yeah, it was strange. PP1 needed major changes and not just switching one player. Should've taken Hedman of the PP, letting Karlsson running it and adding another forward. I don't think Raymond worked in the "bumber" role. Move Raymond to the wing, and move Kempe to the other unit.

Karlsson
Burakovsky - JEE - Raymond
Grundström

Dahlin
Olofsson - MoJo - Kempe
Zetterlund

 

[Rob]

A lot of negativity about a team that dominated most of the tournament.

True. Every team in the tournament lost at least one game. They were probably better than the Swiss.

 

[ZEBROA]

The Swedish system need to be adjusted agains great counter attack systems (like Finland and Czechs) . Has been a problem for way to many years now. Maby not go full speed and lure them in; i dont know but somethig most be done. I belive you shoudl play your own gameplan and style , but there must be variations in the system to answer these full D counter attack gameplans.

 

[Garl]

The Swedish system need to be adjusted agains great counter attack systems (like Finland and Czechs) . Has been a problem for way to many years now. Maby not go full speed and lure them in; i dont know but somethig most be done. I belive you shoudl play your own gameplan and style , but there must be variations in the system to answer these full D counter attack gameplans.

Yes, also Russia.in the past very often played counterattack style vs Sweden

 

[ZEBROA]

Yes, also Russia.in the past very often played counterattack style vs Sweden

Exactly, hated those games, looked like we dominated, but still lost most of the time. Its the worst way to loose.

 

[Nexon]

I’m missing Mårts. God damn his selections were sketchy and his attitude against NHL players was even sketchier but he was a solid game coach. Grönborg was a shit game coach but got the players to show up and buy into whatever he did, so they pulled off atleast some of what they were trying to achieve.

Lol I remember when you all were crying here for Marts to finally leave bench