Value of: Wayne Simmonds to the Leafs.

[Gabe Kupari]

He’d score at a 30 goal level on the leafs.

I still think Simmonds + Gudas for Kapanen + 2nd works. Gudas is playing at a very very high level right now. I wouldn’t want to move him at all but we won’t sign him in 2 years anyway plus Kapanen would for very well so I’d do it.

Go ahead. Pretend its 4 years ago..

Its not tho.. Simmonds is now overrated

 

[TheKingPin]

Go ahead. Pretend its 4 years ago..

Its not tho.. Simmonds is now overrated

He’s going to score 25 + goals in a down year. He scored 24 goals last year with a broken ankle and torn abdominal muscles. He’s not washed up.

 

[Tripod]

He’s going to score 25 + goals in a down year. He scored 24 goals last year with a broken ankle and torn abdominal muscles. He’s not washed up.

It doesn't mean he is worth Kapanen in any deal. You need to give up that idea. It's not happening.

 

[CreeksideStrangler]

A few cups that’s a decent start? Having to ask that question just shows you don’t know about the players your talking about trades with

what kind of cups did he win? nice like on your own post too. do YOU even know who we are discussing here?

 

[CreeksideStrangler]

The thing you are missing is I don't care about the cost, because they have a legitimate chance at a championship and when that's the case you have to go for it .

People on here worry to much about the future and for fans of Detroit, Ottawa , Vancouver etc. That's fine because their teams aren't championship contenders.

The Leafs are championship contenders, they have to go for it

Cost is secondary

that is stupid. what if they fall short of a cup? you can cripple a franchise for the next decade with a couple bad contracts.
Glad you are not GM

 

[CreeksideStrangler]

will trade straight up for Marleau

 

[TheKingPin]

It doesn't mean he is worth Kapanen in any deal. You need to give up that idea. It's not happening.

Unfortunately we should have traded him last year for Kapanen and a 1st. But I agree. I proposed Simmonds + gudas for Kapanen + 2nd. If you are a down on simmer as the leafs fans are then you take away the 2nd and advantage leafs. If you are still high enough on Simmonds like GMs likely are you keep it and advantage flyers.

 

[TheKingPin]

that is stupid. what if they fall short of a cup? you can cripple a franchise for the next decade with a couple bad contracts.
Glad you are not GM

will trade straight up for Marleau

These are funny by the same person. There are always ways around this stuff but they will cost. Ain’t no one taking Marleau for a positive asset.

 

[Liferleafer]

Unfortunately we should have traded him last year for Kapanen and a 1st. But I agree. I proposed Simmonds + gudas for Kapanen + 2nd. If you are a down on simmer as the leafs fans are then you take away the 2nd and advantage leafs. If you are still high enough on Simmonds like GMs likely are you keep it and advantage flyers.

I'd like Gudas.. ..no interest in rentals like Simmonds, we won't be re-signing him, so i would never include Kap in a deal for him.

 

[Hockeypete49]

Pierre LeBrun of The Athletic: Even though the Philadelphia Flyers are in the playoff race, it’s more than likely they will trade pending UFA Wayne Simmonds.
Sources are saying that the Boston Bruins, Tampa Bay Lightning, Nashville Predators and Winnipeg Jets have shown interest.

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Would love to see Wayne go to Tampa that way it would be fun to root for the TBL come playoff time but any of the 4 suitors would be okay with me. Highest bidder of course!

He would help all four teams. He would be a beast anywhere and fun to watch.
PS if the Flyers make the playoffs I hope he went out west LOL

 

[TheKingPin]

I'd like Gudas.. ..no interest in rentals like Simmonds, we won't be re-signing him, so i would never include Kap in a deal for him.

Problem is we have no reason to trade Gudas. With Hart we have a shot at the playoffs. About to have Myers in over Hagg or Macdonald should help. Patrick playing well etc. we have a good shot. And gudas would mean a lot to us next year when we would likely just let him walk. He’s prob been our best dman. So we aren’t likely to trade him for just a pick. Maybe not even a late first at this point. We’d want a player. He doesn’t get a guy like Kapanen on his own, neither does Simmonds. So combine them possibly.

 

[CreeksideStrangler]

These are funny by the same person. There are always ways around this stuff but they will cost. Ain’t no one taking Marleau for a positive asset.

I was kidding about Marleau. that was a lou blunder.

 

[Tripod]

Unfortunately we should have traded him last year for Kapanen and a 1st. But I agree. I proposed Simmonds + gudas for Kapanen + 2nd. If you are a down on simmer as the leafs fans are then you take away the 2nd and advantage leafs. If you are still high enough on Simmonds like GMs likely are you keep it and advantage flyers.

The Leafs are just not going to trade Kapanen for a rental. Simmonds will go to a team that needs a RWer AND needs PP help. That is not the Leafs. All Simmonds to Leafs ideas should just end at this point.

 

[Liferleafer]

Problem is we have no reason to trade Gudas. With Hart we have a shot at the playoffs. About to have Myers in over Hagg or Macdonald should help. Patrick playing well etc. we have a good shot. And gudas would mean a lot to us next year when we would likely just let him walk. He’s prob been our best dman. So we aren’t likely to trade him for just a pick. Maybe not even a late first at this point. We’d want a player. He doesn’t get a guy like Kapanen on his own, neither does Simmonds. So combine them possibly.

If your goal is the playoffs, keep Simmonds as your own rental.

I get the Gudas comments, but again, if Kap is being traded...it's for a solid top 4 RHD (with the Leafs adding depending on return). Trading him with Simmonds as the return is very poor asset management. Simmonds would be playing bottom 6 here, you don't move Kap for that.

 

[Tripod]

I was kidding about Marleau. that was a lou blunder.

Marleau was fine if it was just a 2 year deal. I think he was a nice vet to have around the kids.

 

[sd1976]

Simmonds for Hyman, someone please take Hyman.

Just... no. I’m really starting to get aggravated with people who don’t see the true value of Hyman.

 

[Holymakinaw]

I was kidding about Marleau. that was a lou blunder.

Not a blunder at all. Marleau has been amazing for the kids on this team. Worth every penny.

 

[phlocky]

I’d rather just trade less and get Gudas. Marincin + 2020 2nd?

Muzzin + Gudas would be a successful tdl

I personally would try and make it worth your while and offer Simmonds (50% retained) + Gudas for Kappy + a cap dump that expires next year. I know it would be hard to give up Kappy but I think the value favors TO here.

Of you are dead set against trading Kappy then replace him with your 2020 1st and a top 3 prospect. That still favors TO

 

[TheKingPin]

The Leafs are just not going to trade Kapanen for a rental. Simmonds will go to a team that needs a RWer AND needs PP help. That is not the Leafs. All Simmonds to Leafs ideas should just end at this point.

Well that’s why I said gudas too. He’s has term remaining. They may have to trade Kapanen anyway.

If your goal is the playoffs, keep Simmonds as your own rental.

I get the Gudas comments, but again, if Kap is being traded...it's for a solid top 4 RHD (with the Leafs adding depending on return). Trading him with Simmonds as the return is very poor asset management. Simmonds would be playing bottom 6 here, you don't move Kap for that.

I don’t disagree that it’s poor asset management. Usually rentals don’t work anyway and teams are best built by filling holes with good pieces that have term. I guess I’m thinking Kapanen may not be in Toronto too long depending on all the cap issues.

 

[TheKingPin]

Marleau was fine if it was just a 2 year deal. I think he was a nice vet to have around the kids.

Should have had the deal as Matthews was starting.

 

[TheKingPin]

I personally would try and make it worth your while and offer Simmonds (50% retained) + Gudas for Kappy + a cap dump that expires next year. I know it would be hard to give up Kappy but I think the value favors TO here.

Of you are dead set against trading Kappy then replace him with your 2020 1st and a top 3 prospect. That still favors TO

What cap dump? Marleau makes a ton and their other option has so many years left it’s insane.

 

[96]

I personally would try and make it worth your while and offer Simmonds (50% retained) + Gudas for Kappy + a cap dump that expires next year. I know it would be hard to give up Kappy but I think the value favors TO here.

Of you are dead set against trading Kappy then replace him with your 2020 1st and a top 3 prospect. That still favors TO

I’ll do Kapanen for Simmonds at 50 and Gudas. But our capdump would have to be Zaitsev, unless we want to unload Brown’ s 2.1(?). Would you still be interested?

What cap dump? Marleau makes a ton and their other option has so many years left it’s insane.

No disrespect but Marleau won’t waive to go to Philly. He wants to win a cup and you guys are kind of starting the rebuild. It would have to be Z or Brown, but then we won’t be re-signing Simmer.

 

[Liferleafer]

What cap dump? Marleau makes a ton and their other option has so many years left it’s insane.

Marleau only makes 1.25 in actual salary next season. If you mean cap? Then ya, 6 mil next season.

 

[1865]

Simmonds isnt good.

He’s on track for 25 goals. That’s pretty good. It’s not bad by any means.

If you use him properly, he can be the extra little advantage to win a series.

 

[TheScandal89]

I wish we could bring JVR back instead . Obviously makes no sense, I just miss his nifty hands.