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I looked up the box scores for Gretzky's SH scoring in his first 3 seasons. This is before his peak SH scoring, but he was still one of the top SH scorers in the league in this time. There are some very clear trends, most of which point to Gretzky as a frontrunner who scored his SH points in the easiest situations.
- For some reason he didn't score any SH points before December 23 in these 3 seasons, and then scored 11 SHG and 6 SHA from Dec 23 forward in these 3 seasons. I'm not sure what to make of that, maybe he didn't usually kill penalties to start the season.
- 16 of his 17 SH points were against opponents who finished under 0.500. He was picking on the weaker teams.
- 16 of his 17 SH points came in the second half of the penalty, and 8 of 17 were in the last 30 seconds of the penalty. So he wasn't scoring against fresh first units, he was taking advantage of second units or tired players.
- 14 of his 17 SH points were scored while his team was leading. So he was either turning over an opponent who is pressing to tie the game, or he was running up the score in a game that's already won.
- 10 of his 17 SH points were scored when his team already had scored more goals than the opponent would finish the game with, meaning his team already had enough goals to win. Obviously that wasn't always clear at the time, it just highlights the trends of Gretzky scoring later in the game and when his team was already leading.
- Only 1 of his 17 SH points was scored in the first 15 minutes of the game. This is Gretzky being better conditioned than his opponents later in the game, or taking advantage of the game situation later in the game.
If someone wants to continue into his peak SH scoring years, feel free, or I'll get to it myself later.[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Season Date Home/Road Opponent Opp W% Period Time PP start Seconds elapsed Point type Score Final Score 1979-80 28-Dec-79 Road Vancouver 0.438 2 17:39 16:07 92 G 4-1 5-3 1979-80 1-Feb-80 Home Winnipeg 0.319 1 16:45 14:54 111 A1 4-0 9-2 1980-81 7-Jan-81 Home Washington 0.438 1 17:35 16:01 94 A2 3-1 6-3 1980-81 7-Jan-81 Home Washington 0.438 2 19:35 17:42 113 G 5-1 6-3 1980-81 11-Jan-81 Road Quebec 0.488 2 4:44 2:53 111 G 3-1 6-3 1980-81 14-Jan-81 Road Toronto 0.444 3 14:13 12:34 99 A1 5-4 7-4 1980-81 18-Feb-81 Home St. Louis 0.669 3 8:07 6:43 84 G 8-2 9-2 1980-81 4-Mar-81 Road Rangers 0.463 2 16:22 16:14 8 G 2-1 5-5 1980-81 4-Apr-81 Home Winnipeg 0.200 3 18:21 17:17 64 A1 7-2 7-2 1981-82 23-Dec-81 Home Vancouver 0.481 3 6:17 4:55 82 A1 4-1 6-1 1981-82 27-Dec-81 Home Los Angeles 0.394 2 15:11 13:52 79 G 4-2 10-3 1981-82 27-Dec-81 Home Los Angeles 0.394 3 7:26 5:58 88 G 8-2 10-3 1981-82 9-Jan-82 Home Calgary 0.469 1 7:38 6:30 68 G 2-0 7-2 1981-82 28-Feb-82 Road Washington 0.406 3 9:47 8:25 82 A1 3-1 4-1 1981-82 15-Mar-82 Home Los Angeles 0.394 2 17:54 16:20 94 G 2-2 3-3 1981-82 25-Mar-82 Road Calgary 0.469 2 8:10 6:57 73 G 3-1 7-2 1981-82 25-Mar-82 Road Calgary 0.469 2 8:37 6:57 100 G 4-1 7-2
I ran the numbers for Gretzky's 1982-83 and 1983-84 seasons. Did the trends from his first 3 seasons hold up?
First of all, Gretzky was clearly playing more time on the first unit PK in 82-83 and 83-84 than he had in his first 3 seasons. He wasn't just an end of penalty poacher anymore. For 1982-83, he scored 5 of his 10 points in the first 30 seconds of the penalty. 3 of the 10 points were in the last 30 seconds of the penalty, and 2 were right in the middle. For 1983-84, 16 of his 23 shorthanded points came in the first 60 seconds of the penalty and 7 of 23 in the last 60 seconds. So that was a change -- he was taking on the opponent's top power play unit and still scoring.
Was Gretzky still picking on bad teams for his shorthanded points? Not in 1982-83, when he scored half his shorthanded points against strong opponents. Yes in 1983-84, as he did score almost all of his shorthanded points against weaker teams. Only 2 SHG and 3 SHP in 27 games against teams over 0.500. Maybe what stands out the most is that he scored 6 SHG and 10 SHP in 16 regular season games against Winnipeg in these two seasons! Plus another 2 SHG and 3 SHP in 6 playoff games. Poor Dave Babych...
Was Gretzky still scoring when his team had the lead? Yes, but not as much. Two-thirds (22 of 33) of his shorthanded points were scored while Edmonton had the lead, and even for most of those points the game was still in play. Mostly because he was scoring those shorties earlier now, with 10 of his 23 shorthanded points coming in the first period for 1983-84.
1982-83
Season | Date | Home/Road | Opponent | Opp W% | Period | Time | PP start | Seconds elapsed | Point type | Score | Final Score |
1982-83 | 9-Oct-82 | Road | Vancouver | 0.469 | 3 | 19:32 | 18:35 | 57 | G (EN) | 6-3 | 6-3 |
1982-83 | 29-Oct-82 | Home | Los Angeles | 0.413 | 3 | 17:34 | 16:34 | 60 | G | 6-2 | 6-3 |
1982-83 | 1-Dec-82 | Home | Philadelphia | 0.663 | 2 | 12:24 | 10:32 | 112 | A1 | 1-1 | 2-4 |
1982-83 | 11-Dec-82 | Road | Minnesota | 0.600 | 1 | 16:34 | 16:13 | 21 | G | 3-2 | 4-5 |
1982-83 | 5-Jan-83 | Road | Winnipeg | 0.463 | 3 | 14:03 | 13:27 | 36 | A1 | 6-2 | 8-3 |
1982-83 | 5-Jan-83 | Road | Winnipeg | 0.463 | 3 | 15:08 | 13:27 | 101 | G | 7-2 | 8-3 |
1982-83 | 15-Jan-83 | Road | Minnesota | 0.600 | 1 | 1:55 | 1:41 | 14 | A1 | 1-0 | 10-4 |
1982-83 | 15-Jan-83 | Road | Minnesota | 0.600 | 3 | 7:57 | 7:40 | 17 | A1 | 9-3 | 10-4 |
1982-83 | 23-Feb-83 | Home | Washington | 0.588 | 3 | 1:26 | 19:53 | 93 | G | 4-2 | 6-3 |
1982-83 | 1-Mar-83 | Road | New Jersey | 0.300 | 2 | 16:25 | 15:59 | 26 | G | 3-1 | 4-3 |
Season | Date | Home/Road | Opponent | Opp W% | Period | Time | PP start | Seconds elapsed | Point type | Score | Final Score |
1983-84 | 5-Oct-83 | Home | Toronto | 0.381 | 3 | 2:33 | 1:34 | 59 | G | 4-2 | 5-4 |
1983-84 | 7-Oct-83 | Road | Winnipeg | 0.456 | 2 | 9:56 | 8:27 | 89 | G | 5-4 | 8-6 |
1983-84 | 5-Nov-83 | Home | Pittsburgh | 0.238 | 2 | 15:09 | 14:40 | 29 | A1 | 4-1 | 7-3 |
1983-84 | 6-Nov-83 | Road | Winnipeg | 0.456 | 2 | 11:40 | 11:29 | 11 | G | 1-3 | 8-5 |
1983-84 | 9-Nov-83 | Road | Washington | 0.631 | 1 | 11:27 | 10:48 | 39 | G | 2-0 | 7-4 |
1983-84 | 12-Nov-83 | Road | Detroit | 0.431 | 1 | 13:24 | 13:13 | 11 | A2 | 4-2 | 7-3 |
1983-84 | 19-Nov-83 | Home | New Jersey | 0.256 | 3 | 18:05 | 16:30 | 95 | G | 13-4 | 13-4 |
1983-84 | 18-Dec-83 | Road | Winnipeg | 0.456 | 1 | 18:33 | 16:47 | 106 | A2 | 4-1 | 7-5 |
1983-84 | 21-Dec-83 | Home | Winnipeg | 0.456 | 1 | 19:33 | 19:06 | 27 | A1 | 3-1 | 7-4 |
1983-84 | 21-Dec-83 | Home | Winnipeg | 0.456 | 1 | 19:48 | 19:06 | 42 | G | 4-1 | 7-4 |
1983-84 | 21-Dec-83 | Home | Winnipeg | 0.456 | 3 | 19:41 | 19:25 | 16 | G (EN) | 7-4 | 7-4 |
1983-84 | 26-Dec-83 | Road | Calgary | 0.513 | 2 | 6:50 | 6:03 | 47 | G | 4-2 | 6-3 |
1983-84 | 30-Dec-83 | Home | Boston | 0.65 | 1 | 3:32 | 2:24 | 68 | A2 | 1-0 | 2-0 |
1983-84 | 9-Jan-84 | Road | Detroit | 0.431 | 1 | 16:38 | 15:51 | 47 | G | 4-0 | 7-3 |
1983-84 | 20-Jan-84 | Home | Los Angeles | 0.369 | 2 | 13:46 | 13:09 | 37 | G | 3-5 | 7-5 |
1983-84 | 21-Jan-84 | Road | Los Angeles | 0.369 | 3 | 9:56 | 9:43 | 13 | A1 | 6-3 | 6-3 |
1983-84 | 25-Jan-84 | Road | Vancouver | 0.456 | 1 | 6:32 | 6:00 | 32 | A1 | 1-0 | 6-4 |
1983-84 | 15-Feb-84 | Home | Winnipeg | 0.456 | 2 | 4:49 | 4:34 | 15 | A1 | 2-1 | 7-4 |
1983-84 | 15-Feb-84 | Home | Winnipeg | 0.456 | 3 | 6:12 | 5:38 | 34 | G | 6-1 | 7-4 |
1983-84 | 22-Feb-84 | Road | Pittsburgh | 0.238 | 2 | 10:35 | 8:47 | 108 | A1 | 4-1 | 9-2 |
1983-84 | 4-Mar-84 | Home | Montreal | 0.469 | 1 | 9:58 | 8:48 | 70 | G | 1-0 | 6-1 |
1983-84 | 11-Mar-84 | Home | Vancouver | 0.456 | 2 | 3:52 | 2:36 | 76 | A1 | 7-1 | 12-2 |
1983-84 | 15-Mar-84 | Road | Montreal | 0.469 | 1 | 19:19 | 18:47 | 32 | A1 | 1-1 | 2-3 |