Way Too Early 2025 26 NHL DRAFT Discussion

My list is starting to expand a little bit. The top-3 remain unchanged in Schaefer, Misa and Hagens though I am curious how other GM's view Misa after his not great playoffs so far. Schaefer has beeen injured and is sitting as the #1 by default. This is one of the seasons where I don't know if there should be a unanimous #1 given Schaefer is being given the benefit of the doubt. Either of those 3 could be #1. Behind that though, I am not even sure how to rank the rest of the prospects.

Martone
Eklund
Frondell
Desnoyers
Mrtka
Smith

All of those seem legit options to me.
After the top 2 the guy I really like is Desnoyers but it's a valid point to say he's another Beniers and maybe we want something else. For this team specifically maybe Martone is the guy you want. Don't really have a big winger like that.
Before their injuries I really liked Bear and McQueen but you'd have fall lower in the draft and check the health issues.
 
After the top 2 the guy I really like is Desnoyers but it's a valid point to say he's another Beniers and maybe we want something else. For this team specifically maybe Martone is the guy you want. Don't really have a big winger like that.
Before their injuries I really liked Bear and McQueen but you'd have fall lower in the draft and check the health issues.
McQueen is more worrisome to me than Bear is. McQueen has a much higher ceiling but the injury concerns are high. Bear should be fine after his injury though to me he is more of a Robin than a Batman.
 
Also, I don't know if Francis is actively not looking to draft D in the first round because of bad-luck but if he is, that is just stupid and limiting your own options.

IIRC - the public statement about never drafting D in the 1st round was made by Dundon, not Francis.

I think that view might have been informed by their statistics department analyzing drafts. I know it's very common for teams to land their best defenders after the 1st round, the way the Canes did with Slavin and Pesce (and now Nikishin).

I doubt it's meant to be taken literally - if you have someone with insane skating like Schaefer you take him. Or even Jackson Smith, who has off the charts skating, I could imagine Francis taking him. But he hasn't taken a D in the first yet and only one with our own 2nd rounder (Evans). If the rule is don't draft a guy in the 1st who you think will be a middle pair D, then that makes sense to me because you can find those guys often in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, if you draft enough of them.
 
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IIRC - the public statement about never drafting D in the 1st round was made by Dundon, not Francis.

I think that view might have been informed by their statistics department analyzing drafts. I know it's very common for teams to land their best defenders after the 1st round, the way the Canes did with Slavin and Pesce (and now Nikishin).

I doubt it's meant to be taken literally - if you have someone with insane skating like Schaefer you take him. Or even Jackson Smith, who has off the charts skating, I could imagine Francis taking him. But he hasn't taken a D in the first yet and only one with our own 2nd rounder (Evans). If the rule is don't draft a guy in the 1st who you think will be a middle pair D, then that makes sense to me because you can find those guys often in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, if you draft enough of them.
Yeah. That makes sense. The Hurricanes have definitely done a damn good job of grabbing defenders later in the draft. I kind of get the hesitancy because of how D-men take longer to develop but if the talent is there, and you see the high ceiling, then go for it. If we end up out of the top-5, which is looking likely, I don't see any issue in going for Smith or even Mrtka. They have a bit to go to be NHL ready but both could be top-pairing D-men.
 
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McQueen is more worrisome to me than Bear is. McQueen has a much higher ceiling but the injury concerns are high. Bear should be fine after his injury though to me he is more of a Robin than a Batman.
I know talking to people I am much higher on bear than many but I really do see him ending up somewhere between Seth Jarvis and Brad Marchand. It won't be instant though.
I hear you on the injuries but I have to assume the team does their homework there and will know more than we do one way or the other. You'd hope anyway.

Philly won again so top 5 still possible.
 
I'd really like Bear and I could see him as a very versatile 50-60 pt guy. The achilles injury does scare me, they always do.

Jarvis was insanely skilled in junior. Maybe Marchand is a better comp for Bear as a guy who didn't show much skill in junior. I don't know about back then.
 
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But does he like the "Bad News" :sarcasm:

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Okay, so it looks like we gonna end up picking either fifth or sixth unless we move up or down in the lottery. Worst case would be eighth if we drop two spots. My hope still is that we can end up with one of Eklund or Frondell. But if we get lucky and move up, that would be pretty awesome too because that would give us a shot at the top four. I guess we'll find out this Thursday when Buffalo and Philadelphia play.
 
My guess is, that if we don't end up in the top two and get our hands on Schaefer we'll end up drafting another forward.

The other defenders are interesting(and we still have to wait on the U-18 tournament that usually brings quite a few changes to the rankings) but not really worth taking over the forwards available in that 5 - 8 range IMO.
 
Just starting to check out prospects ranking, but after a quick skim of the information, there really seems to be a strong consensus about the top eight--Schaefer, Misa, Martone, Hagens, Desnoyers, Frondell, Eklund, McQueen. Smith and Mrtka are the D prospects who get some top ten mentions, too. Among that lot, it seems likely that we will get a good prospect who can help.
 
My guess is, that if we don't end up in the top two and get our hands on Schaefer we'll end up drafting another forward.

The other defenders are interesting(and we still have to wait on the U-18 tournament that usually brings quite a few changes to the rankings) but not really worth taking over the forwards available in that 5 - 8 range IMO.
Mrtka seems to be the kind of defensive dman prospct the team should want but like you said that isn't likely to happen. Maybe one day we'll get that prospect in our pool. All we really have at least at the current moment is 2nd pair and 3rd pair potentials just nothing that screams top pair but dmen do take a while to develop.

Only way we take a dman if we trade down several spots.
 
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Mrtka seems to be the kind of defensive dman prospct the team should want but like you said that isn't likely to happen. Maybe one day we'll get that prospect in our pool. All we really have at least at the current moment is 2nd pair and 3rd pair potentials just nothing that screams top pair but dmen do take a while to develop.

Only way we take a dman if we trade down several spots.
Mrtka isn't just a defensive d-man. I genuinely do not understand how this keeps getting parroted (not just you). Last year, absolutely, questions about his offensive ceiling. This year? Anyone who has watched him a significant amount should know that he's grown by leaps and bounds and absolutely does not look like a one trick defensive pony out there. He has confidence out the wazoo, isn't afraid to do things creatively in the offensive zone. Also he has the second highest ppg among U18 d-man who have a significant amount of games and is top of his draft class. The other two are f***ing DuPont and Lin.

Obviously I'm a huge fan of Mrtka, but I would be fine with any forward or d-man. Just Mrtka specifically I think is underrated.
 
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Mrtka isn't just a defensive d-man. I genuinely do not understand how this keeps getting parroted (not just you). Last year, absolutely, questions about his offensive ceiling. This year? Anyone who has watched him a significant amount should know that he's grown by leaps and bounds and absolutely does not look like a one trick defensive pony out there. He has confidence out the wazoo, isn't afraid to do things creatively in the offensive zone. Also he has the second highest ppg among U18 d-man who have a significant amount of games and is top of his draft class. The other two are f***ing DuPont and Lin.

Obviously I'm a huge fan of Mrtka, but I would be fine with any forward or d-man. Just Mrtka specifically I think is underrated.
I think that has more to do with what the hockey media thinks of him. I see more praise on his defensive side of things than offense side so yea he's definatelly being underrated.
 
Elite prospects is out with their latest list and it looks a bit more like what I've been thinking, putting Martone and McQueen higher (the highest upside players in my opinion). Also having Jackson Smith close to the top group, he has very high upside as well.

They were saying they would have McQueen above Hagens if they were more sure about his health, but they're still investigating that. McQueen's upside is certainly higher than Hagens.

1. Schaefer
2. Misa
3. Martone
4. Hagens
5. McQueen
6. Smith



I personally might take it further and have Martone ahead of Misa. I haven't watched many full games yet though, I usually don't get into that until they start getting clipped for youtube in May and June.
 
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Mrtka seems to be the kind of defensive dman prospct the team should want but like you said that isn't likely to happen. Maybe one day we'll get that prospect in our pool. All we really have at least at the current moment is 2nd pair and 3rd pair potentials just nothing that screams top pair but dmen do take a while to develop.

Only way we take a dman if we trade down several spots.

Smith and Mrtka are getting placed around 5th / 6th on a lot of rankings. Smith on EP's list above, Mrtka in the same spot on hockeyprospect's list. Those are the lists I follow most closely.

I think we might end up with a D. The only question I'd have is whether Francis is open to taking a D in the 1st round, based on his Carolina experience with that. Smith has #1D upside and we all know we need something like that in the prospect pool, which already skews strongly towards forwards.

I haven't watched Mrtka yet. But generally I swing on upside that high in the 1st, so I'll be looking for that when I watch him.
 
Now 4-3 Buffalo with 12 minutes to go. An overtime game would work just fine, one point for Philly and we pick 5th.
 
Smith and Mrtka are getting placed around 5th / 6th on a lot of rankings. Smith on EP's list above, Mrtka in the same spot on hockeyprospect's list. Those are the lists I follow most closely.

I think we might end up with a D. The only question I'd have is whether Francis is open to taking a D in the 1st round, based on his Carolina experience with that. Smith has #1D upside and we all know we need something like that in the prospect pool, which already skews strongly towards forwards.

I haven't watched Mrtka yet. But generally I swing on upside that high in the 1st, so I'll be looking for that when I watch him.

both smith and Mrtka have the 1D upside. But honestly we really need to stop with the francis only drafts forwards in the first round. Only reason why we took catton last draft cause he was ranted to be higher to go like 3rd and dropped to us. So we need to consider that possibility on taking a forward if a player that wasn't expect to drop actually drops and its one of those picks that we can't pass on. The player that the media big boards had us take last draft dropped outside the top 10.
 
Flyers lose. Kraken can’t have nice things.
Yeah, if we had just one fewer point we would be drafting fourth. But I still think we can get a "nice thing" at sixth pick. After the top four draft eligible prospects, there seem like there are about six or seven players who could go anywhere from five to ten. Hopefully RM will sort that out as the draft has been one of his strengths so far as a GM.
 
Yeah, if we had just one fewer point we would be drafting fourth. But I still think we can get a "nice thing" at sixth pick. After the top four draft eligible prospects, there seem like there are about six or seven players who could go anywhere from five to ten. Hopefully RM will sort that out as the draft has been one of his strengths so far as a GM.
What are you guys talking about? I did multiple tankathon sims and we ended up picking 1st OA in 1 and 2nd OA in 2 of the 20 simulations. We are getting Misa or Schaefer.

Believe!!!!

Ok .. I am done. But I do think we can get a really nice player at 6. I would really prefer to not drop past 7 in the lottery though. 6 would be better though as I would really like to end up with one of these guys. Someone could always grab Desnoyers above Frondell or Eklund so 7 could still work.

Schaefer
Misa
Hagens
Martone
Frondell
Eklund
 
both smith and Mrtka have the 1D upside. But honestly we really need to stop with the francis only drafts forwards in the first round. Only reason why we took catton last draft cause he was ranted to be higher to go like 3rd and dropped to us. So we need to consider that possibility on taking a forward if a player that wasn't expect to drop actually drops and its one of those picks that we can't pass on. The player that the media big boards had us take last draft dropped outside the top 10.

Having a guy high on your list make it all the way to your pick is usually why you take him, yes.

FWIW Catton was 12th on Bob's poll of NHL scouts, and around 6th or 7th on compiled public rankings. He was our guy, not everyone's guy.
 

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