OT: Washington Commanders: 2023 Offseason, the “Sell Dan, Sell” Thread

[Neil Racki]

I have seen nothing to suggest this is true. Even watching him his rookie season his big plays appeared (to my eyes) taking advantage of missed blocks/broken plays rather than the ability to dominate linemen. His second year before the injury was no fluke, mediocre linemen (even backups) were dominating him in the pass game. My guess is the word was “all you need to do is …, he’s got nothing else”. Athleticism is more than straightaway speed. Not impressed by his acceleration, balance, and bend (low to the ground) around tackles. He’s not a guy that can just go out and dominate on raw ability, contrary to the hype he came in with. He needed to have a great work ethic and humility to get there, and sadly he lacks those traits.

You make good points, can clearly talk football, know your stuff.

But I disagree with the "seen nothing" part. He has explosive get off that isnt to the level of Von Miller but he can get there is that knee is healthy. First step/twitch you either have or dont have .. he has that. He has pursuit speed and hunger. He won DROY for a reason (some hype to)

"All you need to do" ... Ron talked second year pre injury that Chase would too much try and go outside/finesse when in college he mixed power and speed moves. he wants Chase to punch guys in the chest and try to take guys head on more. Then injury and we never saw if Chase could adjust to the leagues adjustment on him.

Physically - top 5% in physical specimen

Mentally - needs to show he can do his assignment and not try and shot gaps every snap; needs to mix up his pass rush moves

Health - if that knee takes away his elite first step .. hes a montez sweat clone.

Heart - I think he wants to be the best. I think he takes his health and work outs seriously .. the fact that he doesnt go to OTAs with this staff doesnt bother me. its not like hes partying down in florida, never seen him drinking beers or smoking weed going 165 mph.

Chase Young should be given an earnest open chance by fans to prove himself this year.

Hes the only HOF potential player on this team.

 

[Neil Racki]

I'm drinking and this is really the only place I ever even try to talk football so even though it's a little left field, I'm going to ask it because I've really been wondering over the last few years: with the passing game being more protected than ever before and so many pure athletes capable of various positions, is there room in football for the "pass option"? Like... not the RPO but more and more designed hook and ladders, basically.

I had the same thoughts.

It is def coming. Chiefs w Kelce did a designed hook and ladder play last year (and not as final play of game shenanigans).

Going for 2 every time is also coming imo.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Football Team was the perfect name. It is the team's culture and heritage. Bring it back. Do what is right.

They actually just had that trademark approved according to Sheehan.

 

[g00n]

 

[EroCaps]

Cooley said years ago that there is usually 1 or 2 guys who tore a ligament during the offseason doing "non-football related activities" and they hide it till they get to the first work out .. then just go down during warmups or jogging.

Not saying this is the case here .. but every year there is a guy who tears or injures himself early in the fist workout jogging or walking onto the field.

Every year I look for it and more times then not .. it happens.


Chase just has to produce and prove 90% of Manders fans and our FO wrong.

if he stays healthy ... he is going to ball.

Chase > Montez all day every day

Oh boy.

Sweat is a better football player than Chase Young.

Young is the quintessential athletic freak that’ll end up playing for 6 different teams that think they can fix and or motivate him. His knock coming into the league was his one dimensional pass rush and he’s done nothing to show he’s learned the game. Add a catastrophic injury and you’ve got arguably the biggest bust in franchise history.

The f***ed up thing is that the rest of the defense is good enough that it might sneak them into a playoff spot and spare Ron, who is otherwise a pretty shitty coach.

 

[kicksavedave]

I've been saying this Harris deal is pretty hairy, now the NFL is apparently saying it's too hairy as is and he needs to bring more cash/equity and borrow less. He's worth $6B and buying the team for $6B, and that's going to be a problem.

Exclusive: Josh Harris’ Group Needs To Change Financing To Win NFL Approval To Buy Commanders, Sources Say

The NFL is unlikely to vote in favor of the purchase of the Washington Commanders by a group led by Josh Harris because of the way the financing is constituted.

www.forbes.com

 

[HTFN]

I had the same thoughts.

It is def coming. Chiefs w Kelce did a designed hook and ladder play last year (and not as final play of game shenanigans).

Going for 2 every time is also coming imo.

It really seems like if you can hit a guy whose hands you trust or can absorb contact you can create various pathways for the play to end relatively safely. I'm not envisioning big rugby-like cross field plays but I feel like if you attack soft zones the calculus basically becomes "is anyone behind me, if not get a few yards" vs. "did they collapse on me and potentially leave my trailing man very open for 10 more yards" and if you can make that play towards the sidelines the current rules save you fumble-wise for bad decisions so long as they manage to make it outside the lines.

Or forget the flat, and create a play where the tight end is catching the ball in that soft zone and then figuring out if he should run a little or hand the ball off to the RB coming off a chip and run sort of blocking route just like the passing game. If nobody's on you, go. If they're coming at you, beating that with a handoff to a guy who's coming in with heat is probably interesting.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I mean, in seriousness, RedWolves with the old colors (actual Burgundy and Gold) and the old fight song with slightly modified lyrics, would work well for me. The old curly R still works, the logo with an angry Red Wolf on it, tons of fan images created during the rebranding that were really well done.

I recall the Snyder mouthpieces saying that Red Wolves could not be used because of the Minnesota Timberwolves and I immediately though, that's the most incompetent set of lawyers I've ever seen.

That color scheme, but just as wolves. The "Red" was the entire problem with the old name. Why would we keep the only problematic part?

 

[Ajax1995]

I've been saying this Harris deal is pretty hairy, now the NFL is apparently saying it's too hairy as is and he needs to bring more cash/equity and borrow less. He's worth $6B and buying the team for $6B, and that's going to be a problem.

Exclusive: Josh Harris’ Group Needs To Change Financing To Win NFL Approval To Buy Commanders, Sources Say

The NFL is unlikely to vote in favor of the purchase of the Washington Commanders by a group led by Josh Harris because of the way the financing is constituted.

www.forbes.com

Honestly I don’t really have any concerns about it eventually going through. Regardless of how much money someone has a smart person should be trying to make any purchase on the most advantageous terms possible IMO.

Structuring a deal that you believe walks right up to the line is where you should start, under that premise IMO. Someone else might think it goes over the line, which is fine. Now you start negotiating the details so the other side is happy enough.

In no way do I see this as the existing structure is the best they can do and if the NFL doesn’t like it then they are pulling out.

And as an FYI, the owners of the Buccaneers bought Manchester United in a completely leveraged buyout. I understand why the NFL doesn’t want a lot of that in any deal but I also 100% understand why a prospective buyer would want it. It’s just smart business for the most part.

 

[g00n]

That color scheme, but just as wolves. The "Red" was the entire problem with the old name. Why would we keep the only problematic part?

Yup. None of the Red ________ options sound good to me. They all sound like lame minor league teams.

 

[Ajax1995]

Yup. None of the Red ________ options sound good to me. They all sound like lame minor league teams.

You mean other than Redskins, which is what I will always call them regardless of what their actual name is…?

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Oh boy.

Sweat is a better football player than Chase Young.

Young is the quintessential athletic freak that’ll end up playing for 6 different teams that think they can fix and or motivate him. His knock coming into the league was his one dimensional pass rush and he’s done nothing to show he’s learned the game. Add a catastrophic injury and you’ve got arguably the biggest bust in franchise history.

The f***ed up thing is that the rest of the defense is good enough that it might sneak them into a playoff spot and spare Ron, who is otherwise a pretty shitty coach.

He has this season to prove he’s not Jadeveon Clowney 2.0.

 

[kicksavedave]

Honestly I don’t really have any concerns about it eventually going through. Regardless of how much money someone has a smart person should be trying to make any purchase on the most advantageous terms possible IMO.

Structuring a deal that you believe walks right up to the line is where you should start, under that premise IMO. Someone else might think it goes over the line, which is fine. Now you start negotiating the details so the other side is happy enough.

In no way do I see this as the existing structure is the best they can do and if the NFL doesn’t like it then they are pulling out.

And as an FYI, the owners of the Buccaneers bought Manchester United in a completely leveraged buyout. I understand why the NFL doesn’t want a lot of that in any deal but I also 100% understand why a prospective buyer would want it. It’s just smart business for the most part.

Oh I agree, it will get done, but it may take some more time to clean it up so it gets out of the finance committee. It may drag well into the summer, possibly into the regular season, which would just kinda suck a little, cause I want that "Snyder is gone" parade ASAP.

 

[Ridley Simon]

You make good points, can clearly talk football, know your stuff.

But I disagree with the "seen nothing" part. He has explosive get off that isnt to the level of Von Miller but he can get there is that knee is healthy. First step/twitch you either have or dont have .. he has that. He has pursuit speed and hunger. He won DROY for a reason (some hype to)

"All you need to do" ... Ron talked second year pre injury that Chase would too much try and go outside/finesse when in college he mixed power and speed moves. he wants Chase to punch guys in the chest and try to take guys head on more. Then injury and we never saw if Chase could adjust to the leagues adjustment on him.

Physically - top 5% in physical specimen

Mentally - needs to show he can do his assignment and not try and shot gaps every snap; needs to mix up his pass rush moves

Health - if that knee takes away his elite first step .. hes a montez sweat clone.

Heart - I think he wants to be the best. I think he takes his health and work outs seriously .. the fact that he doesnt go to OTAs with this staff doesnt bother me. its not like hes partying down in florida, never seen him drinking beers or smoking weed going 165 mph.

Chase Young should be given an earnest open chance by fans to prove himself this year.

Hes the only HOF potential player on this team.

You had me until the last sentence.

Both McClaurin and Allen could forge an HOF career. The odds are not terrible for those 2.

Long shots would be Payne and really long shot would be Sweat.

 

[HTFN]

That color scheme, but just as wolves. The "Red" was the entire problem with the old name. Why would we keep the only problematic part?

If you go with Pigskins you can bring back all the hog ladies.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

I've been saying this Harris deal is pretty hairy, now the NFL is apparently saying it's too hairy as is and he needs to bring more cash/equity and borrow less. He's worth $6B and buying the team for $6B, and that's going to be a problem.

Exclusive: Josh Harris’ Group Needs To Change Financing To Win NFL Approval To Buy Commanders, Sources Say

The NFL is unlikely to vote in favor of the purchase of the Washington Commanders by a group led by Josh Harris because of the way the financing is constituted.

www.forbes.com

Sheehan had a sports business reporter on his show last week. The reporter says Harris and his group have the money to strike a deal the NFL would approve no problem. That Harris and his group know they are it and are playing hardball with the NFL. Interesting take.

Also, Sheehan had McClough on his pod. McClough like DCs draft. All picks are “football players”. Says the 4th round LT could be the starter at LT in a year or two with development. And also said the 6th Rd RB is the steal of the draft. 10-15 year player. 3 down RB. Will be hard for EB to take him off the field. Poor man’s Marshawn Lynch. Surprising.

 

[Holtbyisms]

He has this season to prove he’s not Jadeveon Clowney 2.0.

Unfortunately I think he's already there. I said it before his draft and I'll say it again...since JJ Watt rose to fame there a can't miss once in a lifetime DE in almost every draft now. Almost every draft we're all bamboozled into believing that shiney new ball is the next Reggie White.

 

[Jags]

Yup. None of the Red ________ options sound good to me. They all sound like lame minor league teams.

Agreed. Wolves is good on its own. Good logo options, mascot options, thousands howling in the stands. It's a good name. No real downside I can think of.

I don't really care what the "best" name is. It's a pretty silly thing to agonize over. Just pick something that works on those levels that isn't shitty. Commanders is shitty.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Washington won’t be receiving compensatory picks in 2024 — Hogs Haven

Better luck next year!

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[Jacoby4HOF66]

Only thing notable is Norwell on the PUP.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Only thing notable is Norwell on the PUP.

Does that remove his cap hit? I don’t think it does

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Does that remove his cap hit? I don’t think it does

He’ll be released once he can pass a physical. He only has $1M guaranteed for injury.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Does that remove his cap hit? I don’t think it does

It does not.

 

[John Price]

FedEx Field named one of the NFL's best stadiums for tailgating

FedEx Field is good place for a tailgate party.

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