Was Krejci's glove-down legal?

[fighterfoo]

It looks like the refs gave him the benefit of the doubt as if it was "caught in his glove". It wasn't in his glove for very long and he gave it the forehand flip like he was trying to free it from his glove instead of the underhand toss as if he was throwing it forward intentionally.

Probably a penalty but enough doubt to not call it.

 

[Beezeral]

The rule says that a player is allowed to catch the puck. It only says that a penalty will be called if the player doesn't immediately place the puck down and if he skates with the puck then a penalty would be called for closing the hand on the puck, Krejci did not skate with the puck, he caught it and threw it down in a fraction of a second.

Threw it forward. That’s the key difference. Also, lmao at saying it hit his knee. It’s clear as day that puck is tossed forward and hits nothing after leaving his hand and landing on the ice.

 

[fighterfoo]

Threw it forward. That’s the key difference. Also, lmao at saying it hit his knee. It’s clear as day that puck is tossed forward and hits nothing after leaving his hand and landing on the ice.

Bruins fan here. I don't see where it hits his knee either. Like, not even close.

 

[Beezeral]

No. It's really not. If anything it should be used to prove to you all that the human eye sometimes just straight up misses stuff or becomes convinced of a 'truth' just because someone said it was so. . Puck off knee and then forward is not a penalty.

Naw. What this shows is that you will ignore obvious video evidence to avoid admitting your team got away with a blatantly bad call

 

[WJCJ]

Threw it forward. That’s the key difference. Also, lmao at saying it hit his knee. It’s clear as day that puck is tossed forward and hits nothing after leaving his hand and landing on the ice.

You are going to have to show me the part of the rule that says a player can't do that and then you are going to have to prove that Krejci had good enough possession to throw the puck exactly where he wanted it and then you are going to have to prove that it was his intention to do that. He had the puck for a fraction of a second.

 

[Morgs]

That should've been a penalty. It's alright if he bats that down, or throws it into his own feet/stick.

He threw it past the guy very clearly to get an advantage.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The "hit his knee" story is one of the most groupthink-ish things I've seen here.

Just to make it completely clear how silly that is:

No puck:

No puck:

Puck coming out of his glove:

Puck obviously falling well clear of his knees:

Puck flipping forward past the defender:

It wasn't even close to his knees at any point, and clearly he didn't drop it straight down as you can see from the fact that it starts to fall at the blue line and ends up well beyond the faceoff dot.

It's a textbook penalty.

 

[bb_fan]

Is this a legal play?



You're allowed to glove the puck down, but to me, Krejci violates the rules by catching it, bringing his glove down with it, then throwing it past the defenceman. Should this be legal or a penalty?

EDIT: Here is the relevant rule, by the way:

if you go by the rule as you posted, I don't think it is a penalty.

he didn't skate with it.

should it be a penalty though, or a stoppage, 'self hand pass' or something, probably.

 

[FluffyMcAvoy]

As per rule 67.2, if he catches it, he has to immediately place it to the ice. The rule doesn't say that you have to place it directly in front of you. Also, I don't think he made a complete stride while the puck was in his hand, did he? So, I guess it was a legal play.

 

[tarheelhockey]

You are going to have to show me the part of the rule that says a player can't do that and then you are going to have to prove that Krejci had good enough possession to throw the puck exactly where he wanted it and then you are going to have to prove that it was his intention to do that. He had the puck for a fraction of a second.

67.2 Minor Penalty – Player - A player shall be permitted to catch the puck out of the air but must immediately place it or knock it down to the ice. If he catches it and skates with it, either to avoid a check or to gain a territorial advantage over his opponent, a minor penalty shall be assessed for “closing his hand on the puck”.

 

[bb_fan]

Threw it forward. That’s the key difference. Also, lmao at saying it hit his knee. It’s clear as day that puck is tossed forward and hits nothing after leaving his hand and landing on the ice.

he's skating forward, he cant drop it straight down or behind himself.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Threw it forward. That’s the key difference. Also, lmao at saying it hit his knee. It’s clear as day that puck is tossed forward and hits nothing after leaving his hand and landing on the ice.

Doesn't say anything about where you can or where you can not throw it

 

[bb_fan]

67.2 Minor Penalty – Player - A player shall be permitted to catch the puck out of the air but must immediately place it or knock it down to the ice. If he catches it and skates with it, either to avoid a check or to gain a territorial advantage over his opponent, a minor penalty shall be assessed for “closing his hand on the puck”.

he caught it and he got rid of it, he didn't skate with it.

 

[tarheelhockey]

if you go by the rule as you posted, I don't think it is a penalty.

he didn't skate with it.

should it be a penalty though, or a stoppage, 'self hand pass' or something, probably.

@timelydewd made a thread about this exact topic last month: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/sneaky-change-the-nhl-made-to-the-hand-pass-rule.2447023/

Whether it's whistled as a hand-pass or a penalty for carrying the puck, either way this is definitely not a legal play.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

67.2 Minor Penalty – Player - A player shall be permitted to catch the puck out of the air but must immediately place it or knock it down to the ice. If he catches it and skates with it, either to avoid a check or to gain a territorial advantage over his opponent, a minor penalty shall be assessed for “closing his hand on the puck”.

There's your problem, he didn't CATCH AND SKATE with it...and that's the determing factor, not where he threw it

 

[Beezeral]

You are going to have to show me the part of the rule that says a player can't do that and then you are going to have to prove that Krejci had good enough possession to throw the puck exactly where he wanted it and then you are going to have to prove that it was his intention to do that. He had the puck for a fraction of a second.

Proof? He caught the puck at his own blue line at shoulder height, brought it down to waist level, tossed it forward with enough force for the puck to carry all the way to the opposing blue line, then regained possession with his stick inside the hurricanes zone. It’s in the rule you posted. He must place or DROP the puck DOWN. Neither of those things happened. Therefore, it’s a penalty.

 

[sinDer]

So fast you and numerous others fail to see puck is actually batted INTO HIS OWN KNEE and THEN goes forward off his knee. It wasn't called because he batted the puck DOWN as is allowed. It just hit his knee instead of ice first. No call because there shouldn't have been.

I thought it should have been called...then I read your post about the knee move, and you're right. I missed it, I admit. It all makes sense now.

Now, I'm wondering if that move was intentional? If it was, then it's a smart play by Krejci!

 

[tarheelhockey]

he caught it and he got rid of it, he didn't skate with it.

He clearly closed his hand on the puck, common sense says you can't flip something forward in that backhanded motion unless your hand is closed all the way around it.

Closing your hand on the puck is a penalty.

 

[tarheelhockey]

There's your problem, he didn't CATCH AND SKATE with it...and that's the determing factor, not where he threw it

Are you saying he didn't close his hand on the puck?

 

[WJCJ]

67.2 Minor Penalty – Player - A player shall be permitted to catch the puck out of the air but must immediately place it or knock it down to the ice. If he catches it and skates with it, either to avoid a check or to gain a territorial advantage over his opponent, a minor penalty shall be assessed for “closing his hand on the puck”.

He had it for a fraction of a second, he didn't skate with the puck for any longer than it took him to put it down. I usually agree with what you have to say, but I am not going to agree with you on this one. He takes hakf a step as far as I can tell with the puck, that is not skating with the puck. In the pictures you posted you can see that the entire incident happened and only a few feet were covered by Krejci, that is not skating with the puck.

 

[tarheelhockey]

He had it for a fraction of a second, he didn't skate with the puck for any longer than it took him to put it down. I usually agree with what you have to say, but I am not going to agree with you on this one. He takes hakf a step as far as I can tell with the puck, that is not skating with the puck. In the pictures you posted you can see that the entire incident happened and only a few feet were covered by Krejci, that is not skating with the puck.

He caught the puck with a closed hand and flipped it forward past the defender.

No matter how you interpret the rules, that is not a legal play. It's either a whistle (territorial advantage principle) or a penalty (closing hand on the puck) but it is definitely not legal.

 

[bb_fan]

Are you saying he didn't close his hand on the puck?

are you saying you can't?

you posted the rule, you should know

 

[Beezeral]

He had it for a fraction of a second, he didn't skate with the puck for any longer than it took him to put it down. I usually agree with what you have to say, but I am not going to agree with you on this one. He takes hakf a step as far as I can tell with the puck, that is not skating with the puck. In the pictures you posted you can see that the entire incident happened and only a few feet were covered by Krejci, that is not skating with the puck.

A half a step IS skating. Tossing it all the way to the other blue line IS a territorial advantage. This isn’t difficult.

 

[WJCJ]

Proof? He caught the puck at his own blue line at shoulder height, brought it down to waist level, tossed it forward with enough force for the puck to carry all the way to the opposing blue line, then regained possession with his stick inside the hurricanes zone. It’s in the rule you posted. He must place or DROP the puck DOWN. Neither of those things happened. Therefore, it’s a penalty.

He had the puck for a fraction of a second, I don't believe that he had the control to know exactly where the puck was going. He caught the puck and threw it down in a fraction of a second. That is allowed. He didn't skate with the puck and that is what the rule says is not allowed.

 

[bb_fan]

A half a step IS skating. Tossing it all the way to the other blue line IS a territorial advantage. This isn’t difficult.

no, its not.