Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

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It was both. Husso let in a couple of easy goals. The guy was not good (as per usual). You get a .866 Sv% by playing well

I don't deny Husso blows.

I also don't get why we're bitching about Husso after plays like Holl coughing up the puck in the crease or Gustafsson being an even worse version of his typical shitty self or Copp wandering all the way over to the boards to join the other three Wings on a PK and completely abandoning the right side.

Or even Kasper abnormally just completely checking out of the play effort-wise, and looking like a deer in headlights.

Even with a good goalie we lose that game due to downright atrocious defense from the usual suspects.
 
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Hronek's been healthy screatched 21 times this season too :sarcasm:
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I don't deny Husso blows.

I also don't get why we're bitching about Husso after plays like Holl coughing up the puck in the crease or Gustafsson being an even worse version of his typical shitty self or Copp wandering all the way over to the boards to join the other three Wings on a PK and completely abandoning the right side.

Or even Kasper abnormally just completely checking out of the play effort-wise, and looking like a deer in headlights.

Even with a good goalie we lose that game due to downright atrocious defense from the usual suspects.
Husso wouldn't be that bad if he'd make some big saves, sometimes. His issue is that he lets in soft goals on top of not making the big saves to keep this team in games.
 
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I don't deny Husso blows.

I also don't get why we're bitching about Husso after plays like Holl coughing up the puck in the crease or Gustafsson being an even worse version of his typical shitty self or Copp wandering all the way over to the boards to join the other three Wings on a PK and completely abandoning the right side.

Or even Kasper abnormally just completely checking out of the play effort-wise, and looking like a deer in headlights.

Even with a good goalie we lose that game due to downright atrocious defense from the usual suspects.
We never should have used Husso period. This was the perfect opportunity to give Cossa his first start against a bottom feeder team.

Yah the bottom pair played like shit but they do that every game. Our goalie needs to make a stop as needed. That second goal was awful he raised his pad and it went right under it.
 
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We never should have used Husso period. This was the perfect opportunity to give Cossa his first start against a bottom feeder team.

Yah the bottom pair played like shit but they do that every game. Our goalie needs to make a stop as needed. That second goal was awful he raised his pad and it went right under it.
Yeah. Would've loved to insert Cossa into that lineup where the defense looked like shit and hung the goalie out to dry. That'd be great for a young goalie's confidence. :laugh:
 
I don't deny Husso blows.

I also don't get why we're bitching about Husso after plays like Holl coughing up the puck in the crease or Gustafsson being an even worse version of his typical shitty self or Copp wandering all the way over to the boards to join the other three Wings on a PK and completely abandoning the right side.

Or even Kasper abnormally just completely checking out of the play effort-wise, and looking like a deer in headlights.

Even with a good goalie we lose that game due to downright atrocious defense from the usual suspects.

I agree with all of the above except the idea that we outright lose with a good goalie.

With a good goalie we might have stolen a point, maybe 2 in OT. A good goalie would have given the team enough of a chance to come back from a 1 goal deficit and probably wouldn't have immediately given the lead back to the opponent.
 
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I agree with all of the above except the idea that we outright lose with a good goalie.

With a good goalie we might have stolen a point, maybe 2 in OT. A good goalie would have given the team enough of a chance to come back from a 1 goal deficit and probably wouldn't have immediately given the lead back to the opponent.

In that particular game, I don't see us winning.

The effort was absolutely atrocious. Or when they did try to backcheck, it was to completely abandon coverage and leave guys wide open.

The overall point, which one guy didn't get because he just goes into an apparent blind rage over the mention of the name Husso, is that Husso does suck... But we still played like shit and lost that game even if Husso doesn't suck. It's not just a case of "Well we would've won if an NHL goalie was in net rather than that worthless sack of shit" like one genius would like to portray it as.
 
I do find it funny how San Jose has now "locked this in" so to speak

now even if Walman completely falls off a cliff in the future nothing will ever change the fact that San Jose got a 1st round pick for him
 
It is crazy that people attempted to defend this move.
Partially we want to consider a reason why it might be made.

Like yeah, it's a dogshti trade and it's been proven to be.

But teams generally don't go out of their way to make shitty trades. GMs who built a Stanley Cup roster in their pasts generally don't go out of their way to make shitty trades. So any of the "justifying" or "defending" is trying to add context and understand why a bad move was made.

I'll stick with the thought that Yzerman figured he had Trouba in the can or Stammer was hot and heavy on joining Detroit and then it fell through because Trouba's wife nixed the deal and/or Nashville came and nuts on the table beat Stevie's 7-8M per for Stammer by a couple million. So a dogshit terrible move which was made for salary relief looks that much worse because you didn't use the salary relief for the big score you were hoping to.

So it was probably a confluence of events. And Walman proved any concerns about his being a teammate or bad voice in the locker room were overblown by slotting into SJ and playing really well. He definitely could have been a massive dick in Detroit that rubbed people the wrong way and got sent to a shitty team and realized "wow, I better shape up" and did so.

I'll end with the fact that Yzerman's original deal sending Walman and a 2nd to SJ was dogshit terrible but the fact that San Jose got a 1st for him the next year does not make Yzerman's deal worse than it already was.
 
Partially we want to consider a reason why it might be made.

Like yeah, it's a dogshti trade and it's been proven to be.

But teams generally don't go out of their way to make shitty trades. GMs who built a Stanley Cup roster in their pasts generally don't go out of their way to make shitty trades. So any of the "justifying" or "defending" is trying to add context and understand why a bad move was made.

I'll stick with the thought that Yzerman figured he had Trouba in the can or Stammer was hot and heavy on joining Detroit and then it fell through because Trouba's wife nixed the deal and/or Nashville came and nuts on the table beat Stevie's 7-8M per for Stammer by a couple million. So a dogshit terrible move which was made for salary relief looks that much worse because you didn't use the salary relief for the big score you were hoping to.

So it was probably a confluence of events. And Walman proved any concerns about his being a teammate or bad voice in the locker room were overblown by slotting into SJ and playing really well. He definitely could have been a massive dick in Detroit that rubbed people the wrong way and got sent to a shitty team and realized "wow, I better shape up" and did so.

I'll end with the fact that Yzerman's original deal sending Walman and a 2nd to SJ was dogshit terrible but the fact that San Jose got a 1st for him the next year does not make Yzerman's deal worse than it already was.
Teams are allowed to be over the cap in the offseason. If Yzerman made a move to clear cap without having the follow-up move confirmed, that is also an indictment on him.

Incredible the number of excuses guys will make here for Steve. If Holland did these things we would have eaten him alive. Yet Yzerman has a group defending every single move as "not that bad" or "has context". No, sometimes the context is that these people are actually somewhat incompetent. It's not always that deep. There have been incompetent GMs before and there will be in the future. It's crazy to me to see the insistence that Yzerman's incompetent moves are because of some big-brain strategy instead of the most likely explanation - that he's just not a very good GM. He is my favorite player of all time but that has nothing at all to do with his executive career, and it seems many can't see that.

Yzerman has been bad. Full stop. I also tried to defend him on that main board thread many times, but you have to call a spade a spade at some point. We keep hearing from people that "good players don't want to come here", "what did you want him to do?", etc. Thats' the whole point of a GM's job. To find diamonds in the rough, draft well, trade well, and build the team into a contender. The only thing he's done well is draft, mostly at the top of the draft. Everything else - trades, FA signings, waiver wire pickups, and especially pro scouting - he has been horrible at. We don't have to have the obvious answers in order to criticize the GM. If it was so f***ing easy that any dumbass sitting on their couch at home could do it, why are we paying Yzerman millions of dollars to do so? Just poll the fans. The job is hard, sure, but that does not excuse lack of performance.

People will talk about not having a top 3 pick but that's entirely irrelevant TBH, since we got Raymond and Seider anyway, and they're top2-3 players from their drafts (as I said, drafting has been solid). Ed too. Problem is, that is not enough. Look at Jim Nill in Dallas. Bischel, Harley in the mid-1st. Hintz in the 2nd. Robertson in the 2nd. Johnston in the late 1st. The only high pick he's had is Heiskanen. Then he went and supplemented that with a phenomenal signing in Marchment. A great pickup in Duchene. Added Granlund. Or look at Colorado - got top picks in MacKinnon and Makar, but then supplemented heavily by scouting out and adding Nichuskin, adding Toews for incredible value, etc. That's how you build a team. Can't just expect the kids alone to take you to the next step.

This team is doomed for failure unless Yzerman actually makes some moves to try and improve us instead of hoping and praying Danielson et al will magically. fix all the problems.

Another good example of what I said above btw is Washington - Aliaksei Protas, now his brother looking amazing, and signing Prtoas to a phenomenal deal before he's broken out this season. Miro looking great. Buying low on Strome. Buying low on Dubois. That's what good pro scouting in addition to good drafting looks like.
 
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To see who thought it was a masterstroke of genius by Yzerman without thinking critically about the trade?
People thought Yzerman made the room for something bigger coming. I was surprised and perplexed as Walman played on out top pairings and had good chemistry with Seider.
I am not the biggest supporter of Yzerman. I think I criticise him the most. It obviously rubs many posters the wrong way, but I think we have to speak our minds.
I have already stated that Yzerman won't get this team further than conference finals. It was a year or 2 ago.
 
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Walman was promising young defenseman and we got him pretty much for nothing, he was our second best defender then Yzerman pay to trade him away and now he got moved again. There is something wrong with him, we just don't know what is it. Bad influence on younger players?
 
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