Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

[FriendlyGhost92]

It was both. Husso let in a couple of easy goals. The guy was not good (as per usual). You get a .866 Sv% by playing well

I don't deny Husso blows.

I also don't get why we're bitching about Husso after plays like Holl coughing up the puck in the crease or Gustafsson being an even worse version of his typical shitty self or Copp wandering all the way over to the boards to join the other three Wings on a PK and completely abandoning the right side.

Or even Kasper abnormally just completely checking out of the play effort-wise, and looking like a deer in headlights.

Even with a good goalie we lose that game due to downright atrocious defense from the usual suspects.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

According to posters here, you mean the 11 games he has been healthy scratched for.

He was only healthy scratched for one of them.

 

[ricky0034]

According to posters here, you mean the 11 games he has been healthy scratched for.

Hronek's been healthy screatched 21 times this season too

 

[Konnan511]

Hronek's been healthy screatched 21 times this season too

 

[Air Budd Dwyer]

I don't deny Husso blows.

I also don't get why we're bitching about Husso after plays like Holl coughing up the puck in the crease or Gustafsson being an even worse version of his typical shitty self or Copp wandering all the way over to the boards to join the other three Wings on a PK and completely abandoning the right side.

Or even Kasper abnormally just completely checking out of the play effort-wise, and looking like a deer in headlights.

Even with a good goalie we lose that game due to downright atrocious defense from the usual suspects.

Husso wouldn't be that bad if he'd make some big saves, sometimes. His issue is that he lets in soft goals on top of not making the big saves to keep this team in games.

 

[Go Wings]

I don't deny Husso blows.

I also don't get why we're bitching about Husso after plays like Holl coughing up the puck in the crease or Gustafsson being an even worse version of his typical shitty self or Copp wandering all the way over to the boards to join the other three Wings on a PK and completely abandoning the right side.

Or even Kasper abnormally just completely checking out of the play effort-wise, and looking like a deer in headlights.

Even with a good goalie we lose that game due to downright atrocious defense from the usual suspects.

We never should have used Husso period. This was the perfect opportunity to give Cossa his first start against a bottom feeder team.

Yah the bottom pair played like shit but they do that every game. Our goalie needs to make a stop as needed. That second goal was awful he raised his pad and it went right under it.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

We never should have used Husso period. This was the perfect opportunity to give Cossa his first start against a bottom feeder team.

Yah the bottom pair played like shit but they do that every game. Our goalie needs to make a stop as needed. That second goal was awful he raised his pad and it went right under it.

Yeah. Would've loved to insert Cossa into that lineup where the defense looked like shit and hung the goalie out to dry. That'd be great for a young goalie's confidence.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I don't deny Husso blows.

I also don't get why we're bitching about Husso after plays like Holl coughing up the puck in the crease or Gustafsson being an even worse version of his typical shitty self or Copp wandering all the way over to the boards to join the other three Wings on a PK and completely abandoning the right side.

Or even Kasper abnormally just completely checking out of the play effort-wise, and looking like a deer in headlights.

Even with a good goalie we lose that game due to downright atrocious defense from the usual suspects.

I agree with all of the above except the idea that we outright lose with a good goalie.

With a good goalie we might have stolen a point, maybe 2 in OT. A good goalie would have given the team enough of a chance to come back from a 1 goal deficit and probably wouldn't have immediately given the lead back to the opponent.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I agree with all of the above except the idea that we outright lose with a good goalie.

With a good goalie we might have stolen a point, maybe 2 in OT. A good goalie would have given the team enough of a chance to come back from a 1 goal deficit and probably wouldn't have immediately given the lead back to the opponent.

In that particular game, I don't see us winning.

The effort was absolutely atrocious. Or when they did try to backcheck, it was to completely abandon coverage and leave guys wide open.

The overall point, which one guy didn't get because he just goes into an apparent blind rage over the mention of the name Husso, is that Husso does suck... But we still played like shit and lost that game even if Husso doesn't suck. It's not just a case of "Well we would've won if an NHL goalie was in net rather than that worthless sack of shit" like one genius would like to portray it as.

 

[14ari13]

Does anyone have an opinion why Maatta is doing very well maybe even great?

 

[norrisnick]

Does anyone have an opinion why Maatta is doing very well maybe even great?

He is a smart player that when not struggling from the aftereffects of pneumonia is a very good/stable defenseman.

 

[14ari13]

He is a smart player that when not struggling from the aftereffects of pneumonia is a very good/stable defenseman.

I liked him when was in Detroit and he is 10 times better than Holl. But I have no time to watch him.

 

[Frk It]

It is crazy that people attempted to defend this move.

 

[ricky0034]

I do find it funny how San Jose has now "locked this in" so to speak

now even if Walman completely falls off a cliff in the future nothing will ever change the fact that San Jose got a 1st round pick for him

 

[Geezer WC]

It is crazy that people attempted to defend this move.

Yep. It was nonsensical.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

It is crazy that people attempted to defend this move.

Partially we want to consider a reason why it might be made.

Like yeah, it's a dogshti trade and it's been proven to be.

But teams generally don't go out of their way to make shitty trades. GMs who built a Stanley Cup roster in their pasts generally don't go out of their way to make shitty trades. So any of the "justifying" or "defending" is trying to add context and understand why a bad move was made.

I'll stick with the thought that Yzerman figured he had Trouba in the can or Stammer was hot and heavy on joining Detroit and then it fell through because Trouba's wife nixed the deal and/or Nashville came and nuts on the table beat Stevie's 7-8M per for Stammer by a couple million. So a dogshit terrible move which was made for salary relief looks that much worse because you didn't use the salary relief for the big score you were hoping to.

So it was probably a confluence of events. And Walman proved any concerns about his being a teammate or bad voice in the locker room were overblown by slotting into SJ and playing really well. He definitely could have been a massive dick in Detroit that rubbed people the wrong way and got sent to a shitty team and realized "wow, I better shape up" and did so.

I'll end with the fact that Yzerman's original deal sending Walman and a 2nd to SJ was dogshit terrible but the fact that San Jose got a 1st for him the next year does not make Yzerman's deal worse than it already was.