Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

[HisNoodliness]

That's true, but he could have acquired 4 first and Kiiskinen for Gibson and gave Walman away with a 2nd and it's still a bad trade.

Let's say the organization did have issues with him and needed the cap space.

There's no way he had such little value that a 2nd to be attached. None. You see if you can get anything value for him, if you can't you try waiving him, if he clears waivers then you try to attach a pick, starting with a 7th and work your way down. I'm sure some team would have stopped you before you got to a 2nd.

Even if Yzerman needed the cap space immediately for something that *might* happen (and didn't by the way) he just handedly it terribly and it's poor asset management. We sign Stamkos or the Trouba or some other trade goes down, it makes more sense. But as is we just gave away a decent player and decent draft pick for literally nothing.

Now with that being said is Jake Walman the difference between making a deep playoff run or not? Probably not. Was that 2nd likely to turn into anything we'll regret? More than likely no (but could have been used in other trades). Is he better than at least 3 or 4 of our current defenseman? Most certainly.

It's always been more about the poor asset management than it is Jake Walman specifically.

For what it's worth, I think teams recognized that Yzerman was desperate to move Walman and his sitting down the stretch had not gone unnoticed, and so decided to demand at least a second to take him. That's the hardest time of year to move money, and we paid a similar rate to others dumping contracts at the time. I don't think that he accepted a second when making another call would have let him move Walman with only a 4th.

That should have prompted Yzerman to wait and keep Walman. Frankly we never should have been trying to get rid of him in the first place, and especially not if the league decided to take advantage of us. My biggest problem with the trade is who we decided to keep/sign instead of Walman. If you have 5 employees, 2 are good at their jobs and three are useless, you don't fire one of the good guys because they were late to a meeting. You can be picky about the little things when you have an organization of good employees. If you're being desperately kept afloat by a few individuals, you keep them around.

I wouldn't give a shit about Walman if I wasn't watching Chiarot, Petry, Holl and Gustafsson play beer league hockey every game.

 

[Shaman464]

Every single GM is going to make many mistakes along the way. Its the nature of the business. What you are looking for a is a GM that makes more good moves than bad moves. IMO Yzerman has achieved that.

Copp, Compher, Holl, the goalie revolving door, Fester, the former Red Wings boys club that has incompetent people in key positions (Draper et al), etc. Yzerman has way more than a few bad moves. Yzerman has been GM for over half a decade and this team is as bad as it was when he started and still years away from truly turning the corner. I love Yzerman and want him to succeed but he’s high on his own supply and needs a wake up call so he can shake up the organization and get some better people and players on the team.

 

[SirloinUB]

Copp, Compher, Holl, the goalie revolving door, Fester, the former Red Wings boys club that has incompetent people in key positions (Draper et al), etc. Yzerman has way more than a few bad moves. Yzerman has been GM for over half a decade and this team is as bad as it was when he started and still years away from truly turning the corner. I love Yzerman and want him to succeed but he’s high on his own supply and needs a wake up call so he can shake up the organization and get some better people and players on the team.

I believe every gm is going to make many mistakes, not a few.

1) all three names you mentioned are overpaid. No disagreements. Bad pro scouting and bad resource allocation. I could live with one of Copp/compher, both is redundant. Arguably it’s had a cascading impact when you think about paying to unload Walman & not having flexibility to take on trouba’s full cap.

2) I actually think Draper has been pretty good. Yzerman overhauled the training & rehab facilities and program. That’s quality management. Pro scouting is definitely sus. Overall I think he has done a good job here.

3) despite point 1 this team is quantifiably better in ever single way since yzerman took over.

• He has a stable of emerging stars in Ray, Ed, & Seider who haven’t even entered their primes.
• He has a prospect pool that is strong in both the quantity and quality with kasper, Danielson, ASP, Cossa, Augustine, Johansson, Buchelnikov, Wallinder, Mazur, Plant all trending well. All of his top picks are looking very good.
• He’s locked up key players on good value contracts: Raymond, seider, Larkin, debrincat.
• Even his mistakes are less bad than the negative value of Weiss, abdelkader, Nielsen, Ericsson, Dekeyser.
• Okay, maybe that last point was a low bar still it’s better than it was.

So if you’re going to say “this team is as bad as it was when he started” I call bullshit on every level.

Overall his work with seider, ray, Ed, kasper, Larkin, dbc and what appears to be coming with asp Danielson Cossa, etc drastically outweighs his mistakes with copp compher holl and Walman

 

[Snuggs]

My BS radar has always said something behind the scenes happened with Walman, something we'll never know. Player on player crime with girls, etc. Coaches didn't like him personally, something.

There's just no way(imo) Yzerman thought it was a good idea to trade for him, resign him, then trade him away with a pick. It's never made sense outside of something happened internally, likely, not even involving Yzerman at all he just had to choose sides.

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

My BS radar has always said something behind the scenes happened with Walman, something we'll never know. Player on player crime with girls, etc. Coaches didn't like him personally, something.

There's just no way(imo) Yzerman thought it was a good idea to trade for him, resign him, then trade him away with a pick. It's never made sense outside of something happened internally, likely, not even involving Yzerman at all he just had to choose sides.

Not worth speculating IMO what the locker room or personal issue was, but this is the most likely scenario. It was bad enough that a decision had to be made on his future in Detroit. Something more than being late to meetings or playing bad music at high decibels in the locker room. It would also explain why he ended up on one of the worst teams in the league with nothing to lose rather than a good team that could have improved its D depth for FC. Personal issues aren't a secret in the small world of the NHL.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

My BS radar has always said something behind the scenes happened with Walman, something we'll never know. Player on player crime with girls, etc. Coaches didn't like him personally, something.

There's just no way(imo) Yzerman thought it was a good idea to trade for him, resign him, then trade him away with a pick. It's never made sense outside of something happened internally, likely, not even involving Yzerman at all he just had to choose sides.

Exactly, if we needed the cap space that bad, I'm sure there was some team would have taken on Justin Holl for a free 2nd. This didn't have to be Walman.

 

[SirloinUB]

Exactly, if we needed the cap space that bad, I'm sure there was some team would have taken on Justin Holl for a free 2nd. This didn't have to be Walman.

It is completely plausible that the price to dump Holl would have been higher.