Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

[19 for president]

Looked up Walmans stats this year..... well. I wont do that again for a while. Guy may be a douche but by pure stat sheet watching... my opinion of the trade is starting to sway a bit. Think we miss Ghost way more but not having either seems to have more of an effect than I anticipated. Long season so lets see how he does for 70+ games on a last place team.

Offensively we miss both guys. Our current bottom 4 can barely complete a pass most of the time. I can understand moving on from both if we were going in a more defensive direction but Stevie didn't really do that by resigning Kane, signing Tank, signing Gus and not getting at least 1 better top 4 dman.

The only thing we really addressed to be better defensively was signing Talbot and dropping Husso to the AHL.

This is the first off season where I don't understand what Stevie was doing. At least from a short term perspective. I still think we had a deal for Trouba and it fell through after the Walman deal was done. I just can't explain that trade without it.

 

[Reddwit]

19 points in 22 games now. Better than Larkin lol.

 

[Dotter]

It's hard to track, essentially Yzerman received a 2nd (Gibson) and a 4th (Keenan) to take Walman from the Blues.

Then traded Gibson for a 2nd to Preds and sent that to trade Walman to Sharks.

So net positive Larry Keenan out of this deal.

Walman is doing good on the Sharks, but let's not forget Blues wanted to get rid of him at a massive cost of a 2nd and a 4th rounder. Grier acquired a 2nd rounder to accept him..., and he's been healthy scratched by the Sharks despite his good play. All signs point there's some kind of debilitating issues with him.

Yzerman doesn't play around.

 

[14ari13]

It's hard to track, essentially Yzerman received a 2nd (Gibson) and a 4th (Keenan) to take Walman from the Blues.

Then traded Gibson for a 2nd to Preds and sent that to trade Walman to Sharks.

So net positive Larry Keenan out of this deal.

Walman is doing good on the Sharks, but let's not forget Blues wanted to get rid of him at a massive cost of a 2nd and a 4th rounder. Grier acquired a 2nd rounder to accept him..., and he's been healthy scratched by the Sharks despite his good play. All signs point there's some kind of debilitating issues with him.

Yzerman doesn't play around.

No matter how you look at it 19 points in 22 games is amazing. If you compare it to our defenders, other than Seider and Edvidsson, who have combined 13 points it looks mindboggling.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

No matter how you look at it 19 points in 22 games is amazing. If you compare it to our defenders, other than Seider and Edvidsson, who have combined 13 points it looks mindboggling.

If the speculation is true, that Walman is a locker room cancer, then those 19 points come at a greater cost. So I have to disagree with you, 19 points in 22 games is not amazing if they come from someone who is a detriment to the team chemistry.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Hockey is a weird sport. There's absolutely no guarantees Walman would have been doing this for us. San Jose plays without any defense. Top 10 in GF, top 2 in GA. It is what it is. Maybe Walman is just a guy that does really well when there's no actual pressure.

 

[14ari13]

If the speculation is true, that Walman is a locker room cancer, then those 19 points come at a greater cost. So I have to disagree with you, 19 points in 22 games is not amazing if they come from someone who is a detriment to the team chemistry.

You speak about speculations, I refer to the stats and facts.

However there is obviously some truth to what you write, but it doesn't change the fact that Yzerman should get a 3rd rounder for him instead of giving 2nd.

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

You speak about speculations, I refer to the stats and facts.

However there is obviously some truth to what you write, but it doesn't change the fact that Yzerman should get a 3rd rounder for him instead of giving 2nd.

Point me to the source of this fact that Yzerman should have received a 3rd for him.

 

[Redwing66]

Must have been a huge cancer to give up this productivity and a 2nd, the cupboard was left bare and our defense is worse for the trade. What specific players ever called Walman out as being cancerous, it’s not like we have some special chemistry that has been rebalanced, if anything I see the opposite and wonder what we are doing with the backend.

 

[SantosHalper]

It's hard to track, essentially Yzerman received a 2nd (Gibson) and a 4th (Keenan) to take Walman from the Blues.

Then traded Gibson for a 2nd to Preds and sent that to trade Walman to Sharks.

So net positive Larry Keenan out of this deal.

+ Kiiskinen

 

[The Real Pastafarian]

For you guys stating that he was healthy-scratched this season and therefore he's a locker room cancer:

He misunderstood his new team's policy on days off, and didn't know he was still obligated to go to a treatment session for an upper body injury. Probably took his girlfriend to the zoo or something.

So the team punished him and he accepted that. He's a real rapscallion, that Jake Walman. Worse than Hitler. Let's keep making these dark implications about him to salve our own pain.

Here's the truth with which we all need to come to terms: We traded a gifted offensive defenseman for less than nothing, for no explicable reason other than this -- we thought we needed the roster spot and cap space for a big move, and then that move never happened.

Which means: Stevie f*cked up.

Walman was one of my favorite players on the team, probably the next jersey I would have purchased. I've forgiven Yzerman for being human and I'm moving on.

 

[Retire91]

They are just hot right now. 2 teams knew what kind of game he brings and still payed to get rid of him. Think of that as proof of what a problem he must be off the ice. He has a reputation that is still behind closed doors and unfortunately tanks his trade value despite being a good player. He has Jakub Vrána type value.

Have no problem with people being upset by the trade though, it sucks.

 

[Dotter]

You speak about speculations, I refer to the stats and facts.

However there is obviously some truth to what you write, but it doesn't change the fact that Yzerman should get a 3rd rounder for him instead of giving 2nd.

If you want to talk facts, then you should mention that Walman has never had trade value. Every team that ditch him, ditch him with assets. As I pointed out earlier, look what Blues gave up to get rid of him off the team.

Hell, Grier had to be enticed to take him with a 2nd rounder.

For you guys stating that he was healthy-scratched this season and therefore he's a locker room cancer:

He misunderstood his new team's policy on days off, and didn't know he was still obligated to go to a treatment session for an upper body injury. Probably took his girlfriend to the zoo or something.

So the team punished him and he accepted that. He's a real rapscallion, that Jake Walman. Worse than Hitler. Let's keep making these dark implications about him to salve our own pain.

Here's the truth with which we all need to come to terms: We traded a gifted offensive defenseman for less than nothing, for no explicable reason other than this -- we thought we needed the roster spot and cap space for a big move, and then that move never happened.

Which means: Stevie f*cked up.

Walman was one of my favorite players on the team, probably the next jersey I would have purchased. I've forgiven Yzerman for being human and I'm moving on.

That's his version of the story. He was healthy scratched in Detroit when they needed him most. Coach and management apparently didn't want him. I read speculation the team didn't even want him around. Blues also didn't want him around.

That's not "cope" for getting rid of him... that is the FACTS that he's had no value wherever he goes and is always healthy scratched (I don't know if Blues healthied him), but they certainly wanted him gone, and gave up valuable assets to make it happen.

Review Walman's NHL career timeline. Where there's smoke, there's fire!

Just because he can put up points doesn't mean he gets a free pass. We as fans don't get the privy to know about. We can put together a damaging timeline of his NHL existence. It'll be interesting to see how his SJ career pans out. I'll fo sho be keeping an eye on it.

 

[Konnan511]

If the speculation is true, that Walman is a locker room cancer.

It's speculation created by members of this forum. I haven't seen any news or write ups by credible sources that say he was.

 

[ShakenNotStirred]

It's speculation created by members of this forum. I haven't seen any news or write ups by credible sources that say he was.

Why isn't he still with Detroit and why did they have to pay to trade him? Why did st. Louis do virtually the same?

The after game pressers and interviews towards the end of the season with Larkin and others calling out teammates, not by name because that would be unprofessional, would suggest that some players were loathed and ultimately cut from the team or not extended.

 

[ricky0034]

I legitimately can't tell whether people have actually forgotten Nick Leddy exists or if all this St. Louis trade talk not mentioning him at all is bad faith trolling

 

[HisNoodliness]

If the speculation is true, that Walman is a locker room cancer, then those 19 points come at a greater cost. So I have to disagree with you, 19 points in 22 games is not amazing if they come from someone who is a detriment to the team chemistry.

My personal stance is that unless Walman was doing lines of coke off of Mein Kampf with teenagers, whatever locker room issues he has should have been a lower priority than the on ice issues of Chiarot, Petry, Holl (and now Gustafsson). The team didn't agree. Now we have the worst bottom 4 D in the league and it's entirely self inflicted.

Just imagine that we managed to get rid of Chiarot, and never signed Gus:
Ed-Seider
Walman-Maatta
AlJo-Petry
Holl

That's a functional NHL defense. It's not great or anything but we'd easily be in a playoff spot right now.

I do find it interesting that we've prioritized a good worker bee personality so much that there's now reports that we're the quietest locker room Lalonde has ever coached and we have problems getting engaged. Apparently prioritizing this particular attitude isn't serving the team well- in the locker room or on the ice.

Even if we decided that Walman's personality was sufficient to require moving him, there was no reason to rush the exchange if people weren't offering fair value for his talent. He was and would be one of our best players and best assets. Justin Holl, Ben Chiarot and Jeff Petry were never going to be valuable on the ice or in a trade. If we were going to pay assets to get rid of someone, it shouldn't have been a good player. It should have been a bad player. We should have waited to get assets for the good player.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

This might be Yzerman's worst move.

 

[Oddbob]

If you want to talk facts, then you should mention that Walman has never had trade value. Every team that ditch him, ditch him with assets. As I pointed out earlier, look what Blues gave up to get rid of him off the team.

Hell, Grier had to be enticed to take him with a 2nd rounder.



That's his version of the story. He was healthy scratched in Detroit when they needed him most. Coach and management apparently didn't want him. I read speculation the team didn't even want him around. Blues also didn't want him around.

That's not "cope" for getting rid of him... that is the FACTS that he's had no value wherever he goes and is always healthy scratched (I don't know if Blues healthied him), but they certainly wanted him gone, and gave up valuable assets to make it happen.

Review Walman's NHL career timeline. Where there's smoke, there's fire!

Just because he can put up points doesn't mean he gets a free pass. We as fans don't get the privy to know about. We can put together a damaging timeline of his NHL existence. It'll be interesting to see how his SJ career pans out. I'll fo sho be keeping an eye on it.

St. Louis didn't give up assets to get rid of him. He was added to the main piece of that trade Nick Leddy. Don't make up alternate stories to support your narrative.

 

[burbankmarc]

This might be Yzerman's worst move.

Easily

 

[chuckt]

St. Louis didn't give up assets to get rid of him. He was added to the main piece of that trade Nick Leddy. Don't make up alternate stories to support your narrative.

I think the 2nd round pick had more value than Walman at the time, but Walman certainly was an asset. There were no locker room or character issues in St. Louis, he just struggled to make the team and wasn't quite good enough. That could have been the situation or system. Could also be that he took a step forward after the trade.

Blues wanted Leddy (who they still employ), they didn't want to dump Walman.

 

[Reddwit]

For you guys stating that he was healthy-scratched this season and therefore he's a locker room cancer:

He misunderstood his new team's policy on days off, and didn't know he was still obligated to go to a treatment session for an upper body injury. Probably took his girlfriend to the zoo or something.

So the team punished him and he accepted that. He's a real rapscallion, that Jake Walman. Worse than Hitler. Let's keep making these dark implications about him to salve our own pain.

Here's the truth with which we all need to come to terms: We traded a gifted offensive defenseman for less than nothing, for no explicable reason other than this -- we thought we needed the roster spot and cap space for a big move, and then that move never happened.

Which means: Stevie f*cked up.

Walman was one of my favorite players on the team, probably the next jersey I would have purchased. I've forgiven Yzerman for being human and I'm moving on.

I’m still pissed my Walman bobble head is already outdated.

 

[Dotter]

St. Louis didn't give up assets to get rid of him. He was added to the main piece of that trade Nick Leddy. Don't make up alternate stories to support your narrative.

Nick Leddy was and is TRASH. It was determined as soon as the trade happened Yzerman FLEECED the Blues. Complete and utter felony robbery.

Don't try to rewrite history, everyone knows Yzerman fleeced them in that trade.

 

[SoupGuru]

I still can't believe we kept Franzen instead of Walman