Blue Jays Discussion: Waiting for people to get healthy

[Woodman19]

They probably want to further reduce the number of minor league affiliates.

the sheer volume of injuries on the mound are going to require warm bodies, although I guess you can go heavier in IAFA to grab more. Cant see how a team can sustain itself without 30+ bodies injected a year

 

[dredeye]

I kind of don't want to trade for deadline players since we are starting to finally develop legit talent lol, but if they are controllable beyond this year I guess it's all good

Apparently, the Giants want to move off of their big salary infielders but I haven't taken a closer look yet at what's there. This certainly isn't a year I would burn any assets for a pretenders run

 

[Suntouchable13]

Apparently, the Giants want to move off of their big salary infielders but I haven't taken a closer look yet at what's there. This certainly isn't a year I would burn any assets for a pretenders run

Yea, a pretender's run. Just get in, and they can make a serious run. They just proved last season they have the talent to make it all the way. They can make another run, no question about it.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Apparently, the Giants want to move off of their big salary infielders but I haven't taken a closer look yet at what's there. This certainly isn't a year I would burn any assets for a pretenders run

Devers for Santander.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/49097032/2026-mlb-mock-draft-expert-first-round-picks-no-1-chicago-white-sox-cholowsky-emerson-lackey

39. Toronto Blue Jays
Archer Horn, SS, St. Ignatius Prep HS (CA

A couple of scouts have told me their draft room thinks Horn is this year's Luke Dickerson, a prep prospect everyone likes who could get about $1 million more than many teams expected.)

Horn fits the mold of players many teams like: lefty-hitting college shortstop with power potential and also some prospect status on the mound. Accounts differ on his bonus demands (he's a Stanford commit) and what scouts think his hit tool will be. A higher-payroll contending team like Toronto could be who takes the gamble high enough in the draft to meet Horn's price.

 

[canucksfan]

Tucker Toman has been doing extremely well recently. A wRC of 193 since May 24th and in June it's 238. His ISO in June is .410. Strikeout numbers are fine as well.

Those numbers don't include his two homers and a double today.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Tucker Toman has been doing extremely well recently. A wRC of 193 since May 24th and in June it's 238. His ISO in June is .410. Strikeout numbers are fine as well.

Those numbers don't include his two homers and a double today.

He started out hot (.948 OPS in April), went cold for a month (.,460 OPS in May) and now he seems to be either getting hot again or settling in (1.314 OPS in June).

Just as important, now that he's no longer switch-hitting his OPS against lefties is .858 and his OPS against eighties is .838. So he's actually hitting better against lefties as a lefty than he did last year as a righty (.606 OPS).

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

 

[canucksfan]

He started out hot (.948 OPS in April), went cold for a month (.,460 OPS in May) and now he seems to be either getting hot again or settling in (1.314 OPS in June).

Just as important, now that he's no longer switch-hitting his OPS against lefties is .858 and his OPS against eighties is .838. So he's actually hitting better against lefties as a lefty than he did last year as a righty (.606 OPS).

I was paying attention to his numbers but once they were dropping I stopped. Yesterday, I saw his OPS and noticed it climbed a lot. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him get promoted soon assuming his numbers don’t drop again.

Nice to see Parker hitting the ball well. I’ve read where his underlying numbers are fine.

Where would you or anyone else rate the Jays system amongst the league? Top 15?

 

[Maplebeasts]

Some good but some bad ideas

12 Rounds is not nearly enough. Either organizational depth gets depleted or the MLB is angling to lower the number of minor affiliates which I don't like. The draft should already be global. Seems like a mixed bag.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I was paying attention to his numbers but once they were dropping I stopped. Yesterday, I saw his OPS and noticed it climbed a lot. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him get promoted soon assuming his numbers don’t drop again.

Nice to see Parker hitting the ball well. I’ve read where his underlying numbers are fine.

Where would you or anyone else rate the Jays system amongst the league? Top 15?

I don't think our team ranking among prospect gurus is going to be as elevated as a casual Jays fan might expect based on the bounce backs and successes we've had in the system at the micro level. Right now we don't have the "sexy" high end prospects up top that teams like the Brewers, Mariners, and Dodgers have so that will ding us.

Currently, we have only two top 100 prospects by consensus (3 if you include Perry who's in a few updated lists). We also saw some hiccups among our higher upside guys who would have raised our ceiling. Guys like Tiedemann, Stanifer, Bucknam, Cook, and even Jojo to a lesser extent. What we do have is a lot of depth of interesting guys. Guys who could be MLB contributors, but won't pop on a prospect ranking, which often prioritize upside. Guys like Valenzuela and Pinango. We have a lot of those types. McAdoo, Keys, Kasevich, Coleman, Arias, etc.

But we also have some of those upper tier talents, some of whom are starting to pop (Nimmala, King) some who are slowly starting to percolate (Bullard, Sanchez, Parker), some guys with more modest pedigrees that we internally know are better than they'll get credit for by prospect guys (Perry, Guerra, Toman, etc.), and further away lottery ticket guys who we don't know what group they'd fall in yet. Right now I'd put us between 10 and 15. If Bullard, Sanchez, Parker and Nimmala finish the year strong, such that outsiders take notice of their numbers we could get to 10.

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Nimmala
Perry
Keys
Guerra
King
Bullard
Toman
Guzman
Rojas
Messina
Bohrofen
A. Parker
Guthrie
Kasevich
Coleman
Gregg
McAdoo
Taschin
Rivero

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Tiedemann
Stanifer
Bloss
Cook
Arias
Bucknam
Hechavarria
Duran
Barriera

 

[canucksfan]

I don't think our team ranking among prospect gurus is going to be as elevated as a casual Jays fan might expect based on the bounce backs and successes we've had in the system at the micro level. Right now we don't have the "sexy" high end prospects up top that teams like the Brewers, Mariners, and Dodgers have so that will ding us.

Currently, we have only two top 100 prospects by consensus (3 if you include Perry who's in a few updated lists). We also saw some hiccups among our higher upside guys who would have raised our ceiling. Guys like Tiedemann, Stanifer, Bucknam, Cook, and even Jojo to a lesser extent. What we do have is a lot of depth of interesting guys. Guys who could be MLB contributors, but won't pop on a prospect ranking, which often prioritize upside. Guys like Valenzuela and Pinango. We have a lot of those types. McAdoo, Keys, Kasevich, Coleman, Arias, etc.

But we also have some of those upper tier talents, some of whom are starting to pop (Nimmala, King) some who are slowly starting to percolate (Bullard, Sanchez, Parker), some guys with more modest pedigrees that we internally know are better than they'll get credit for by prospect guys (Perry, Guerra, Toman, etc.), and further away lottery ticket guys who we don't know what group they'd fall in yet. Right now I'd put us between 10 and 15. If Bullard, Sanchez, Parker and Nimmala finish the year strong, such that outsiders take notice of their numbers we could get to 10.

Up arrow
Nimmala
Perry
Keys
Guerra
King
Bullard
Toman
Guzman
Rojas
Messina
Bohrofen
A. Parker
Guthrie
Kasevich
Coleman
Gregg
McAdoo
Taschin
Rivero

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Tiedemann
Stanifer
Bloss
Cook
Arias
Bucknam
Hechavarria
Duran
Barriera

Thanks for the detailed response. I don't pay attention to other teams' farm systems.

I forgot about Cook. Bat hasn't done that well as one would like.

 

[Eyedea]

I don't think our team ranking among prospect gurus is going to be as elevated as a casual Jays fan might expect based on the bounce backs and successes we've had in the system at the micro level. Right now we don't have the "sexy" high end prospects up top that teams like the Brewers, Mariners, and Dodgers have so that will ding us.

Currently, we have only two top 100 prospects by consensus (3 if you include Perry who's in a few updated lists). We also saw some hiccups among our higher upside guys who would have raised our ceiling. Guys like Tiedemann, Stanifer, Bucknam, Cook, and even Jojo to a lesser extent. What we do have is a lot of depth of interesting guys. Guys who could be MLB contributors, but won't pop on a prospect ranking, which often prioritize upside. Guys like Valenzuela and Pinango. We have a lot of those types. McAdoo, Keys, Kasevich, Coleman, Arias, etc.

But we also have some of those upper tier talents, some of whom are starting to pop (Nimmala, King) some who are slowly starting to percolate (Bullard, Sanchez, Parker), some guys with more modest pedigrees that we internally know are better than they'll get credit for by prospect guys (Perry, Guerra, Toman, etc.), and further away lottery ticket guys who we don't know what group they'd fall in yet. Right now I'd put us between 10 and 15. If Bullard, Sanchez, Parker and Nimmala finish the year strong, such that outsiders take notice of their numbers we could get to 10.

Up arrow
Nimmala
Perry
Keys
Guerra
King
Bullard
Toman
Guzman
Rojas
Messina
Bohrofen
A. Parker
Guthrie
Kasevich
Coleman
Gregg
McAdoo
Taschin
Rivero

Down arrow
Tiedemann
Stanifer
Bloss
Cook
Arias
Bucknam
Hechavarria
Duran
Barriera

I don’t think Kasevich has trended up. His profile seems to have regressed back to being an extreme groundball hitter.

Bloss on the other hand is still in rehab mode, but by all accounts his stuff is sharp, if not better than it was pre-TJS. He gave up 2 runs to start his AAA season debut but retired the next 12/13 batters faced. Velo was consistently 95-96 into the 4th inning which is very encouraging.

 

[Woodman19]

I don’t think Kasevich has trended up. His profile seems to have regressed back to being an extreme groundball hitter.

Bloss on the other hand is still in rehab mode, but by all accounts his stuff is sharp, if not better than it was pre-TJS. He gave up 2 runs to start his AAA season debut but retired the next 12/13 batters faced. Velo was consistently 95-96 into the 4th inning which is very encouraging.

I love to hear that, Bloss was pretty highly regarded prior to his injury. If we can get that Bloss back it would really give us another legitimate SP to add to the mix with impending departures on the horizon.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Yeah I think the early signs on Bloss during rehab are very positive.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[Da Cool Rula]

I don't think our team ranking among prospect gurus is going to be as elevated as a casual Jays fan might expect based on the bounce backs and successes we've had in the system at the micro level. Right now we don't have the "sexy" high end prospects up top that teams like the Brewers, Mariners, and Dodgers have so that will ding us.

Currently, we have only two top 100 prospects by consensus (3 if you include Perry who's in a few updated lists). We also saw some hiccups among our higher upside guys who would have raised our ceiling. Guys like Tiedemann, Stanifer, Bucknam, Cook, and even Jojo to a lesser extent. What we do have is a lot of depth of interesting guys. Guys who could be MLB contributors, but won't pop on a prospect ranking, which often prioritize upside. Guys like Valenzuela and Pinango. We have a lot of those types. McAdoo, Keys, Kasevich, Coleman, Arias, etc.

But we also have some of those upper tier talents, some of whom are starting to pop (Nimmala, King) some who are slowly starting to percolate (Bullard, Sanchez, Parker), some guys with more modest pedigrees that we internally know are better than they'll get credit for by prospect guys (Perry, Guerra, Toman, etc.), and further away lottery ticket guys who we don't know what group they'd fall in yet. Right now I'd put us between 10 and 15. If Bullard, Sanchez, Parker and Nimmala finish the year strong, such that outsiders take notice of their numbers we could get to 10.

Up arrow
Nimmala
Perry
Keys
Guerra
King
Bullard
Toman
Guzman
Rojas
Messina
Bohrofen
A. Parker
Guthrie
Kasevich
Coleman
Gregg
McAdoo
Taschin
Rivero

Down arrow
Tiedemann
Stanifer
Bloss
Cook
Arias
Bucknam
Hechavarria
Duran
Barriera

Fantastic writeup
Thank you.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I don’t think Kasevich has trended up. His profile seems to have regressed back to being an extreme groundball hitter.

Bloss on the other hand is still in rehab mode, but by all accounts his stuff is sharp, if not better than it was pre-TJS. He gave up 2 runs to start his AAA season debut but retired the next 12/13 batters faced. Velo was consistently 95-96 into the 4th inning which is very encouraging.

I think we're talking about different things. I'm talking about performance in context of where they were entering the year. Last year was a lost year for Kasevich who looked like he might max out as a Quad-A or org guy, but now he looks like he could be a useful MLB player, maybe even an Ernie lite but at shortstop.

Bloss I should have put in TBD. He lost a year and has shown good stuff but poor results. He had good stuff pre injury too but it wasn’t playing well in Buffalo. Maybe he was on the verge of injury, but we won't know for a few months. In any case, his value to external evaluators will not be as high as it was pre injury until he shows stuff and results.

 

[SDig14]

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[red devil]

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[red devil]

 

[cyris]

I just saw a crazy stat. Even though they DFAd him months ago Jordan Romano is the current leader for saves on this year’s Angels.
He has 4 saves….

It gets worse. They only have 3 more as a team combined