Post-Game Talk: Waffles

[Fitzy]

How Panarin and Tortorella coexisted on a franchise without bloodshed will always be a mystery to me.

Bread's a near worst nightmare as a defense minded coach.

 

[Ruggs225]

This is the blatantly obvious move that would help the team....

.... but Coaches Decision

The blatantly obvious move was to sot Trouba when he was injured early in the year to let him get healthy. Which i still dont think he is, bc he has never been this bad before.

But our coach is too smart for that. Oh and trouba wont let coach sit him.

So really the blatant obvious move is to fore this coach this offseason and get an actual coach in there.

 

[Ruggs225]

Miller should be running PP2 on the point. Or just give fox the full 2 mins.

Miller is best on the rush and makes many questionable decisions. I dont trust him running PP.

I would give it to Schneider or just let fox stay our for full 2 min. Or bring up Jones and let him take over.

 

[Machinehead]

How Panarin and Tortorella coexisted on a franchise without bloodshed will always be a mystery to me.

Bread's a near worst nightmare as a defense minded coach.

Panarin played his best hockey for Torts.

I don't think Panarin is uncoachable if you actually bother to coach him. The Rangers treat him like he's the president of the organization.

 

[will1066]

Does he have trouble elevating the puck? I hope he's doing drills picking the puck off the boards, cutting to the middle & shooting. He needs that wired in his brain.

He doesn't, because he scored a goal on a rip of a one-timer high shelf against the Isles.

 

[Greg02]

We over paid cuz he hits people. "tough to play against" dontcha know.

We overpaid because Adam Fox hadn't played a game in the NHL yet, Brady Skjei and Neal Pionk led our team in average TOI, and Trouba was a 25 year old first pairing defenseman.

 

[romba]

Sam called Zbad Zuccarello, was nostalgic to hear 'Zuccarello passes to Kreider!'

 

[McRanger92]

The blatantly obvious move was to sot Trouba when he was injured early in the year to let him get healthy. Which i still dont think he is, bc he has never been this bad before.

But our coach is too smart for that. Oh and trouba wont let coach sit him.

So really the blatant obvious move is to fore this coach this offseason and get an actual coach in there.

You wanted Hajek or Jones playing over Trouba? Benching him wasnt an option and still isnt. Harpur has been fine but getting overexposed with every game. Between the black hole at 6D and Trouba's ineffectiveness, they should be looking into Chychrun hard.

 

[Machinehead]

Also, that quote from Panarin is a complete nothing.

The game was a little bit more open than we would have liked overall. The question was about the game, not how Panarin played. Panarin joked about it a bit.

That interview happens 30 times a season where somebody says "uhh yeah a few too many uh chances than uh we would have liked uh but we got the uh two points, eh?"

 

[Ruggs225]

You wanted Hajek or Jones playing over Trouba? Benching him wasnt an option and still isnt. Harpur has been fine but getting overexposed with every game. Between the black hole at 6D and Trouba's ineffectiveness, they should be looking into Chychrun hard.

For a season no. For a week or two so Trouba can get healthy and be back to playing well yes.

Small term pain for long term gain.

Also then Schneider gets more minutes and harder minutes thus developing him.

Its not like trouba has been playing well anyway. The dropoff wouldnt be as bad as u think because Schneider would take teouba spot, which migh be a posiitve. Its the third pairing that would be more of a horror. But then just limit the minutes.

 

[McRanger92]

For a season no. For a week or two so Trouba can get healthy and be back to playing well yes.

Small term pain for long term gain.

Also then Schneider gets more minutes and harder minutes thus developing him.

Its not like trouba has been playing well anyway. The dropoff wouldnt be as bad as u think because Schneider would take teouba spot, which migh be a posiitve. Its the third pairing that would be more of a horror. But then just limit the minutes.

This may not be an injury that will take a week to heal. They are taking Schneider along slowly and hes developing well. Overesposing him is how he goes backwards. I do like that they gave him the OT shift over Trouba last night. They need another D who can play in the top 4. Thats the real root of the problem

 

[Ruggs225]

This may not be an injury that will take a week to heal. They are taking Schneider along slowly and hes developing well. Overesposing him is how he goes backwards. I do like that they gave him the OT shift over Trouba last night. They need another D who can play in the top 4. Thats the real root of the problem

Not going to argue they need some better depth thats for certain.

But i think Schneider can handle it. And other teams have injuries where they plug people in. It happens. Hell Miller has been top 4 his entire career. Idont think having Schneider play top 4 for a month or 2 weeks would kill is development. It could actually improve it as well.some kids throve with more time and harder minutes.

I would rather sit trouba early to have him healthy late, when it really matters than potentially have him at 50% all ysar. Because this version of trouba isnt helping anyone.

But u are right that we dont know the injury. But it cant be that bad that. And having a 2-4 weeks isnt the end of the world., and probably would go a along way to recovering.

 

[duhmetreE]

And he is injured. There goes that plan.

He's not but maybe it scares them into unloading the asset

 

[Gordon Bombay]

I think the Trouba injury has got to be one where it requires surgery but won’t get worse playing through it. Hence why he hasn’t missed any time.

He should be on the 3rd pair. Schneider has earned it but a Harper-Trouba pair would never be able to pass the puck out of the zone.

We need another LD in a bad way

 

[Chytilmania]

Sam called Zbad Zuccarello, was nostalgic to hear 'Zuccarello passes to Kreider!'

Dave Maloney said Adrian Gauthier on the air lol

 

[Ruggs225]

I think the Trouba injury has got to be one where it requires surgery but won’t get worse playing through it. Hence why he hasn’t missed any time.

He should be on the 3rd pair. Schneider has earned it but a Harper-Trouba pair would never be able to pass the puck out of the zone.

We need another LD in a bad way

Hmm u could be right. In which case thats not good for us. But surbery LTIR, trade for dman and then have him come back fro playoffs? Lol

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Hmm u could be right. In which case thats not good for us. But surbery LTIR, trade for dman and then have him come back fro playoffs? Lol

It’s not a bad idea…..

 

[CLW]

He doesn't, because he scored a goal on a rip of a one-timer high shelf against the Isles.

I don' think he caught all of the puck. He tried to get under it and shoot high but it was bouncing since Zib elevated the pass to lift it over sticks. Just one of those things. Missed chance, on to the next.

 

[Raspewtin]

Fox is so good. Best (non goalie) player we’ve seen on the Rangers since Leetch.

Miller was a force. When Miller is playing that good and Fox is Fox, having those guys on two different pairs is monumental. I know people want Miller-Fox together but I really think separating them benefits the team the most (think Tampa with Hedman and McDonagh on different pairs). You have at least one of Miller or Fox out there for 45 minutes a night or so. As long as Lindgren and Trouba are “fine” and Miller and Fox are playing their game, that’s all we need for this top 4 to absolutely cook in the playoffs.

eh. when Tampa won their cups McDonagh had substantially declined offensively and became a defensive specialist. Him and Cernak got loaded with defensive minutes so Hedman can play more even and offensive situations. I think Miller is much more of a guy you want in all situations than someone to overload with defensive assignments.

I would try Lindgren-Trouba as a pair. Don't be spooked by how slow they are together, that's by design. Trouba takes way fewer stupid chances when he plays with less mobile defensemen, which is good, because Trouba has a negative offensive IQ at this point. In their small minutes since Lindgren became a regular, they're almost always good together (strong stats across each season sample, and combined).

I think it's worth a shot but I wouldn't be mad if it never happened. I understand why the pairs are the way they are.

 

[romba]

In his postgame Evason said that the reason the OT too many men ticked him off so much was cause early in the game the Rangers had 6 guys on the ice and the ref came over and said it had no impact on the play so they weren't gonna call it. I'd be rick'd too if I was Evason.

I get that, but Zucc jumped on clearly early and because of that he had a large impact on the play when he was able to barely break up our offensive zone possession like 3 seconds later iirc. If he hadn't come on early he would have been behind the play so the refs explanation kind of jibes.

 

[will1066]

I'm hearing on the wire that Zucc and Hank are on the outs because Zucc called Hank up, "I'm in town. Let's have dinner." And Hank, "Sorry bro, hanging out with two Hollywood stars right now."

 

[Mac n Gs]

Also, that quote from Panarin is a complete nothing.

The game was a little bit more open than we would have liked overall. The question was about the game, not how Panarin played. Panarin joked about it a bit.

That interview happens 30 times a season where somebody says "uhh yeah a few too many uh chances than uh we would have liked uh but we got the uh two points, eh?"

They generated a ton of chances off the cycle and moving the puck low-to-high, which Gallant loves. It's just Panarin joking around in the post-game, and people are overreacting because they always need something to be mad about instead of just f***ing enjoying a good win

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Does he have trouble elevating the puck? I hope he's doing drills picking the puck off the boards, cutting to the middle & shooting. He needs that wired in his brain.

No, the play in question was a very hard cross ice pass, and it is VERY hard to pick top corner on those with the snap shot as the slightest imperfection in technique will send the puck soaring over the net. It was a damn good save, and honestly it almost snuck between Fleury's glove and pad.

The more important thing was he shot it near side, which was made the save so difficult, instead of like many middling and non offensive players who'd shoot it center mass and end up hitting the goalie in the chest.

Kakko passed up a shot in the third when they were tied and Lafreniere was down low with him in a 2-on-2 when he did, so I got the sense KK wasn't being timid, but was trying to help break Laf's drought.

 

[LORDE]

I agree with you on the first goal.

The second was from a bad angle and wasn't a screen. Igor lost his angle and was moving like a zamboni headed off the ice. He has to be better there.

Absolutely. Said that last night… if his angle is anywhere near correct he barely has to move to stop that… if at all

 

[haveandare]

I mean, duh. But ostensibly VK is being benched because GG doesn’t trust him “defensively”. Meanwhile, he’s trotting out the laziest, most turnover prone player on the roster without a second thought.

I don’t think it’s about trusting defensively. Not much to suggest GG thinks Panarin is solid defensively. Most teams put their most dynamic players out 3 on 3, Panarin just gives a way better chance of goal being scored.