W Ilya Protas - Windsor Spitfires, OHL (2024, 75th, WSH)

I know people on this website seem to be obsessed with junior scoring and box scores because it’s easier for them to contextualize, but ultimately what matters is how you do in the NHL and pro hockey and not Junior.

Jordan Dumais also went third round, he obliterated the Q for two years after getting picked, people talked about him as a steal, and now he’s had a tough time this season (injuries and some off ice problems thrown in there, to be fair). None of his junior stats matter a jot at this point. His proponents who railed against how wrong the consensus was are awfully quiet now. No CBJ fan will take solace “well, at least he dominated the Q those two years.”

So maybe stop your victory lap until we see Protas at a higher level of hockey. I did question if he was rightly picked in the third round. I say it’s aging okay because we have no data on him at a higher level than junior since last season. I don’t think that’s invalidated because a guy who put up big junior totals last year is doing so again. There are fundamental flaws in his skillset that will keep him from being an NHL regular, in my opinion. It doesn’t make you worthy of any specific draft slot due to your junior accomplishments. You either have the projection to the NHL or you don’t and that’s what you base draft slots on. Making this about junior production is flawed.
Wow... so you are tripling and quadrupling down on your take about the young Ilya Protas... that stubborness is crazy...
Like many posters above mentioned, let me remind you that we jus want to point out that you said Protas was a bad pick and that Washington took him too early in the 3rd round... that's all there is to it...

If we take a look 1 year after the draft, he is well worth a 1st round pick in a redraft, let alone a mere 3rd round. Heck, he is already playing above what most 3rd rounders will achieve in their career. Even if he become just a decent AHLer, it's already better than 90% of the players that will become cooks and cleaners like you stated (I laughed pretty hard on that one ngl haha).

In 3 years. you will be exposed even harder than right now when Ilya joins his brother in Washington and be a full time NHLer.
 
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You’ve called players cooks and cleaners. And have also said we can’t take stats too seriously because players are doing too well. I’m not strawmanning you.
You literally claimed I said the OHL only has players like that. I never said they only have players like that. I have said that junior has a lot of players who aren't future professionals and aren't playing hockey for a living eventually. Of course there are future professional hockey players and NHL players, so yes you are 100% putting forth a straw man argument of something I never said.
 
Wow... so you are tripling and quadrupling down on your take about the young Ilya Protas... that stubborness is crazy...
Like many posters above mentioned, let me remind you that we jus want to point out that you said Protas was a bad pick and that Washington took him too early in the 3rd round... that's all there is to it...

If we take a look 1 year after the draft, he is well worth a 1st round pick in a redraft, let alone a mere 3rd round. Heck, he is already playing above what most 3rd rounders will achieve in their career. Even if he become just a decent AHLer, it's already better than 90% of the players that will become cooks and cleaners like you stated (I laughed pretty hard on that one ngl haha).

In 3 years. you will be exposed even harder than right now when Ilya joins his brother in Washington and be a full time NHLer.
Excuse me, you literally bumped a post of mine from a year ago to try to dunk on me.

If you think I am going to react nicely to your hostility, I don't know what would ever make you think someone would react nicely to that.

Redrafts a year later are worthless, and are done by people who have a self interest to try to claim their prospect who has proven relatively nothing is better than some other player who also has proven relatively nothing. Teams don't abandon their choices after a year. I promise you teams aren't trading their 1st rounders for a 3rd rounder because he scored a lot and maybe more than them one year in a junior league.
 
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You literally claimed I said the OHL only has players like that. I never said they only have players like that. I have said that junior has a lot of players who aren't future professionals and aren't playing hockey for a living eventually. Of course there are future professional hockey players and NHL players, so yes you are 100% putting forth a straw man argument of something I never said.
Legitimately, is english not your first language? Because if its not, it would explain a bit.

"That’s always going to be how Pavel argues. Guys in CHL don’t score well? They’re just future drive through workers of course and that’s all the CHL has."

Like this is not to be taken literally. It is a way of saying that you do not see a decent chunk of the OHL as good competition for top prospects. That you view the league as lesser than.
 
Legitimately, is english not your first language? Because if its not, it would explain a bit.

"That’s always going to be how Pavel argues. Guys in CHL don’t score well? They’re just future drive through workers of course and that’s all the CHL has."

Like this is not to be taken literally. It is a way of saying that you do not see a decent chunk of the OHL as good competition for top prospects. That you view the league as lesser than.
Oh, so I shouldn't go by the plain language you use?

That's some argument!
 
Oh, so I shouldn't go by the plain language you use?

That's some argument!
Yeah not always. People just parse language like that naturally. Like if I say “omg this is the best sandwich ever”. I don’t actually literally think it’s the best sandwich that has been made in the history of mankind. I just mean the sandwich is good.

I have no problem changing the way I communicate with you. You just have to be up front. Do you have a hard time taking things literally?
 
Excuse me, you literally bumped a post of mine from a year ago to try to dunk on me.

If you think I am going to react nicely to your hostility, I don't know what would ever make you think someone would react nicely to that.

Redrafts a year later are worthless, and are done by people who have a self interest to try to claim their prospect who has proven relatively nothing is better than some other player who also has proven relatively nothing. Teams don't abandon their choices after a year. I promise you teams aren't trading their 1st rounders for a 3rd rounder because he scored a lot and maybe more than them one year in a junior league.
Trades aren't the same thing as picking in retrospect, what are you even doing right now?
 
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So you think it was a total coincidence that 2 players from the same team that happened to be linemates coming off of a Championship win were selected by the same team after trading up to select the second player?
Leason and Protas Drafted by Washington
There are reasons why you don't see this very often. Teams do their diligence, when they scout a certain player (Leason), they may see another player on the same team who catches their eye. I highly doubt they did this because they were teammates. junior chemistry and familiarity mean nothing unless they feel the player could have a fraction of a chance of being a pro.
 
What a couple of steals the Caps got with these brothers. It'll be fun to watch them for the next decade plus, even as a Pens fan.
Washington has such a great draft in 2024. Hutson in the second round and Protas in the third. WOW. Ovechkin can retire in peace. The Caps are in good hand.
 
Washington has such a great draft in 2024. Hutson in the second round and Protas in the third. WOW. Ovechkin can retire in peace. The Caps are in good hand.
It’s funny, I was remarking on the Caps board recently that it feels like their forgotten pick was Parascak, who was their first rounder. Also should progress well in the Caps system. Hard to pay full attention to him when Hutson and Protas have been doing so much this year.
 
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I've watched a couple recent games of Ilya's to start getting a sense of what he could be at the NHL level one day.

And long story short, I like a lot of what Ilya Protas does, he's an excellent prospect. But right now a lot of the plays that he makes are "junior plays" that won't be there in the NHL, and he's also benefiting from a big physical advantage that he has over CHLers, which won't be possible to maintain to the same extent once he starts going up against NHLers and pros.

Don't miscontrue what I'm saying though. I still think that chances are good that Protas ends up being a very good player in the NHL one day, probably even better than his brother (and meaner/more physical too).

And the biggest signal to that potential is how Ilya Protas managed to completely revamp his skating in about a year-and-a-half of work.

That alone showed that he had the self-awareness and the work ethic necessary, alongside Protas' natural talent, to potentially make his mark in the NHL one day.

To be more clear, from the games I saw of him early in his draft year (early 2024) in the USHL I thought that, though he did flash some good skill, anticiplation, and some elite physical traits like his brother, Protas was a very poor skater by NHL standards, a weakness that could have made him a non-factor at the highest level if not corrected.

Think a more brainy, highly-skilled, better-conditioned Michael McCarron to get a sense of what I saw then.

But now, a year later, although Protas isn't fast by any stretch of the imagination, I'd say that his skating is still not great, but serviceable by NHL standards. And that's a massive improvement the extent of which can't be overstated.

That incredible progression, combined with his smarts, skill, and frame, could make Ilya Protas a very, very successful player for the Caps in the future. He could be a top-line player in the NHL one day if he continues his upward trajectory and improves a couple of facets of his game.

Anyways, the intent of this post wasn't to try and downplay what Ilya Protas is doing right now, and how incredibly well he's playing in the CHL. I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that right now there's just quite a bit of Protas' production in the CHL that is tied to an advantage that he won't have to the same extent in the NHL, and we should not hold unrealistic expectations for him going forward.

That's all, and cheers.
 
There are reasons to harbor some quibbles about projecting Ilya Protas and Cole Hutson at the NHL level.

I would say what Aleksei Protas and Lane Hutson are doing right now with many of the same “warts” as drafted prospects will probably put the minds of Caps fans at ease a bit.

No, younger siblings don’t always live up to their older counterparts…but if you can’t see that the on-ice intelligence of both these guys shadows their older brothers remarkably - I don’t know what you are watching. The apple did not fall far in either case. And having those older siblings shine so brightly at the highest level certainly influences how I perceive the potential projection of their younger brothers.
 
Plenty of players are that size in the NHL. The CHL though? Not so much.

Protas will still be a physical specimen in the NHL, but not nearly to the same extent as in the CHL.
I don't think anybody was expecting Ilya Protas to continue scoring at a 2PPG in the NHL. If his physical advantage is reduced by 50% and his scoring scales down linearly, that's still a PPG power forward.
 
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,tI don't think anybody was expecting Ilya Protas to continue scoring at a 2PPG in the NHL. If his physical advantage is reduced by 50% and his scoring scales down linearly, that's still a PPG power forward.

Protas may reach that level, he may not.

Cautious optimism is the name of the game.

Which is exactly what I'm preaching in this case.
 
Protas may reach that level, he may not.

Cautious optimism is the name of the game.

Which is exactly what I'm preaching in this case.
This isn’t a useful sentiment to be “preaching”. Everyone knows this and it goes without saying.

It seems nobody can discuss anything around here lately without some Captain Obvious coming to the rescue with variations of:

“[player] may get there, he may not.”

“We/you don’t know for sure what’s going to happen.”

“Let’s wait until [player] is in the NHL before we _____.

“You can’t compare [player in league A] to [player in league B].”

This shit adds nothing to any discussion. If you don’t like someone’s point, debate it with actual counter arguments or ignore it and move on, but spare us the drivel. Thanks.
 

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