Value of: Vladislav Gavrikov to the Toronto Maple Leafs (TOR/CBJ) - Based on Friedman...

[Kshahdoo]

He played just 13:18 vs Detroit. Injured or what?

 

[majormajor]

He played just 13:18 vs Detroit. Injured or what?

Took a puck to the mouth, needed a lot of work.

 

[jaric1862]

What does his extension look like?

 

[leafsfan5]

Looking at how the Leafs have been able to defend as a committee with all our injuries, I'm not sure a defenseman is what we need tbh. As long as Keefe continues to have these guys play defense-first hockey we should be good. Especially since a lot of our forwards are competent in their own zone

Better off using the assets to get some depth scoring

 

[614 CBJ]

How high are the Leafs on Ty Voit?

unsigned Gavrikov + ?----------Ty Voit

signed Gavrikov ----------------Ty Voit + ?

CBJ retains and takes ~1.5 mill cap dump if needed

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

How high are the Leafs on Ty Voit?

unsigned Gavrikov + ?----------Ty Voit

signed Gavrikov ----------------Ty Voit + ?

CBJ retains and takes ~1.5 mill cap dump if needed

If CBJ does this for Ty voit I think Toronto takes that

Looking at how the Leafs have been able to defend as a committee with all our injuries, I'm not sure a defenseman is what we need tbh. As long as Keefe continues to have these guys play defense-first hockey we should be good. Especially since a lot of our forwards are competent in their own zone

Better off using the assets to get some depth scoring

There is no such thing as to much defensive depth.

I feel like Toronto has enough to address both.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

...'s comments.

Fan 590 JD Butkis podcast (Dec 1st)

Elliotte Friedman (Guest / Friend of the show) said that TOR are still interested in bolstering their defense. That they were looking for and defensive defenseman with a bit of edge. He gave the example "like Gabrikov".

In no way am I saying that this is a solid rumour. I'm just curious what the price might be. Is he untouchable? What if Toronto offered Sandin and a 1st?

Is CBJ sellin' what Dubas hopes to be buyin'?

You know what's crazy?

The way anyone in the Toronto media needs to involve the Leafs in everything they do.

They HAVE to have something brewing there, even if they just make it up, it's probably expected of them.

I haven't listened to any sports media in years. Used to be glued to the radio and pre-shows etc....

Don't miss it at all.

This sounds so made up. Who's listening to these shows during their daily gruelling drive to wherever? There's so much good music you could be listening to.

Looking at how the Leafs have been able to defend as a committee with all our injuries, I'm not sure a defenseman is what we need tbh. As long as Keefe continues to have these guys play defense-first hockey we should be good. Especially since a lot of our forwards are competent in their own zone

Better off using the assets to get some depth scoring

Better off seeing where we are at the trade deadline and address whatever then.

Right now we are just seeding our playoff spot. Who knows what we need 2 months from now you know?

Usually it's better to stand pat and see what happens.

 

[crowi]

Offering a Holl as anything else than dump is already disenginious.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

You know what's crazy?

The way anyone in the Toronto media needs to involve the Leafs in everything they do.

They HAVE to have something brewing there, even if they just make it up, it's probably expected of them.

I haven't listened to any sports media in years. Used to be glued to the radio and pre-shows etc....

Don't miss it at all.

This sounds so made up. Who's listening to these shows during their daily gruelling drive to wherever? There's so much good music you could be listening to.



Better off seeing where we are at the trade deadline and address whatever then.

Right now we are just seeding our playoff spot. Who knows what we need 2 months from now you know?

Usually it's better to stand pat and see what happens.

It's made up. This is not a trade rumor thread. The prefix says: "value of". Let that guide you and your expectations. People come to the trade threads to feel out hypothetical trades. They are not even real. Your new exercise is to separate rumor threads, speculation, trade proposals, and value of type threads.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

We shall see but one dimensional players generally don’t bring such a high return. It’s not a knock on him, but it is a value indicator.

The full list of defensemen who, since last season, have put up 30+ even strength points and averaged 3:00 or more of PK TOI per game:

- Jaccob Slavin
- Ryan McDonagh
- Esa Lindell
- Mattias Ekholm
- Vladislav Gavrikov

The other four guys have more favorable deployment than Gavrikov, who has one of lowest o-zone start rates in the entire league over that time.

Someone brought up a Manson comp, who got less as a deadline rental than Chiarot and Savard. Gavrikov is better (and cheaper) than all three of those guys.

He just hasn’t been the player people thought he’d be this year.

The whole team has been bad. Easy for us to sit on a message board and say "wow fewer assists, he must not be very good" but NHL front offices won't miss the forest for the trees like that.

There’s a reason Gavrikov is on a $2.8 million deal.

Yes! Exactly! That reason, of course, is that he signed that deal coming off his ELC, at which point he'd only played 55 career games.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

It doesn’t take a lot to play twenty minutes on a team with Rielly, Muzzin, and Brodie out.

It does if hes playing well and holding his own. Context matters.

 

[Fogelhund]

The full list of defensemen who, since last season, have put up 30+ even strength points and averaged 3:00 or more of PK TOI per game:

- Jaccob Slavin
- Ryan McDonagh
- Esa Lindell
- Mattias Ekholm
- Vladislav Gavrikov

The other four guys have more favorable deployment than Gavrikov, who has one of lowest o-zone start rates in the entire league over that time.

Someone brought up a Manson comp, who got less as a deadline rental than Chiarot and Savard. Gavrikov is better (and cheaper) than all three of those guys.


The whole team has been bad. Easy for us to sit on a message board and say "wow fewer assists, he must not be very good" but NHL front offices won't miss the forest for the trees like that.


Yes! Exactly! That reason, of course, is that he signed that deal coming off his ELC, at which point he'd only played 55 career games.

He's a solid player, and I like Peeke too. I'd doubt you'd move Peeke though. In a few years, I think people talk about Peeke as one of the better physical Defensive D in the league. So many people get focused on points, as if that's the only value players bring to the table, when you need a balanced team to win.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think there is a fairly good chance he ends up here simply because the defense is decimated and while it is holding together I do wonder how long Dubas can go before he addresses it

and no Connor Timmins does NOT count

 

[cbjthrowaway]

He's a solid player, and I like Peeke too. I'd doubt you'd move Peeke though. In a few years, I think people talk about Peeke as one of the better physical Defensive D in the league. So many people get focused on points, as if that's the only value players bring to the table, when you need a balanced team to win.

At some point we're going to have to move a RHD or two. Jiricek's going to have one of those spots next year, and they can't really move on from Gudbranson. Leaves one permanent spot up for grabs between Peeke, Boqvist and Blankenburg. Marcus Bjork is playing #1 RHD now with all the injuries and he's been pretty good, too.

I'm in the minority of CBJ fans here but I'd definitely be open to moving Peeke in a deal that brings us a good center.

 

[leafsfan5]

If CBJ does this for Ty voit I think Toronto takes that



There is no such thing as to much defensive depth.

I feel like Toronto has enough to address both.

I don't think Dubas wants to or can give up that much assets to address both

Gavrikov is costing a 1st + something, not leaving a whole lot for the depth scoring.

You know what's crazy?

The way anyone in the Toronto media needs to involve the Leafs in everything they do.

They HAVE to have something brewing there, even if they just make it up, it's probably expected of them.

I haven't listened to any sports media in years. Used to be glued to the radio and pre-shows etc....

Don't miss it at all.

This sounds so made up. Who's listening to these shows during their daily gruelling drive to wherever? There's so much good music you could be listening to.



Better off seeing where we are at the trade deadline and address whatever then.

Right now we are just seeding our playoff spot. Who knows what we need 2 months from now you know?

Usually it's better to stand pat and see what happens.

I definitely agree we're waiting until next year closer to the TDL to make a move, lots of time left.

Hell, this time last year Campbell was our saviour. By the deadline we were in talks to trade for Fleury lol

But with that said, our recent playoff losses have come at the hands of scoring issues. So if the defense does hold up and we continue to play a good defensive structure, that depth scoring will be the main need, imo.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

I don't think Dubas wants to or can give up that much assets to address both

Gavrikov is costing a 1st + something, not leaving a whole lot for the depth scoring.

Gavrikov as a player might be a good fit for Toronto, but Toronto isn't a good fit for a Gavrikov trade.

The assets that the Leafs have (namely Sandin) don't suit CBJ's needs, and using those assets on Gavrikov would make it harder for the Leafs to address their need for depth scoring.

Even if they have interest, it's hard to see Columbus not getting a package that suits their needs better (and carries more value) from a team like the Kings or Oilers.

 

[Byron Bitz]

We don’t want or need Sandin

You may not but your GM does

 

[Viqsi]

I'm in the minority of CBJ fans here but I'd definitely be open to moving Peeke in a deal that brings us a good center.

Here is the problem with your post: everybody stopped reading after the bolded and the italicized was completely ignored.

This is why you can't even suggest these things. If the condition is that narrow, don't advertise.

 

[Viqsi]

Gavrikov as a player might be a good fit for Toronto, but Toronto isn't a good fit for a Gavrikov trade.

The assets that the Leafs have (namely Sandin) don't suit CBJ's needs, and using those assets on Gavrikov would make it harder for the Leafs to address their need for depth scoring.

Even if they have interest, it's hard to see Columbus not getting a package that suits their needs better (and carries more value) from a team like the Kings or Oilers.

The Leafs have their 1st. That's sufficient. Adds are dependent on whether or not others are interested. We don't even need to bring up Sandin. Why even talk about him?

 

[cbjthrowaway]

You may not but your GM does

No CBJ fans are disputing that Sandin isn't a good player. Really good, even! He's just less valuable to Columbus in particular because we have a bunch of guys in a similar mold.

Just last year we got Boqvist and Bean. The book on both of those guys, like Sandin, is that they're not physical and don't have great footspeed, but are highly cerebral puck movers. We also just used a top-15 pick on Denton Mateychuk, who also fits that mold.

Gavrikov has by far the most defensive zone starts of any defenseman on our team, we don't have any other lefties who can take on those duties. Sandin is a really good player (and trade chip), but he's not that guy.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

The Leafs have their 1st. That's sufficient. Adds are dependent on whether or not others are interested. We don't even need to bring up Sandin. Why even talk about him?

Eh, just last week there were LAK fans on here saying they'd do an extended Gavrikov for their 1st + Kupari. It wasn't a consensus, but it never quite is. Also had Edmonton fans offering their first rounder plus a Puljujarvi/Yamamoto type.

My point is that, if CBJ is going to move him, they can afford to aim higher than a late first rounder, especially with three months to go until the deadline.

Here is the problem with your post: everybody stopped reading after the bolded and the italicized was completely ignored.

This is why you can't even suggest these things. If the condition is that narrow, don't advertise.

I don't see any reason why the Jackets shouldn't be open to moving Peeke, tbh. Good player, team-friendly contract, lots of heart, but they have organizational depth at RHD, a position where most teams have a desperate need.

Their biggest holes – especially if/when they move Gavrikov – are at center and LHD. Peeke's traits (size, handedness, contract, toughness) make him an attractive piece in a 'hockey trade' for an established veteran at one of those spots.

Peeke is the best RHD we have right now, and long-term is probably the #2 behind Jiricek. But the odds of one of Boqvist, Blankenburg and Ceulemans turning into a #2 are good enough to bet on if Peeke can help plug the hole at center.

Another possibility: moving Peeke for a good veteran LHD who fits very well next to Boqvist/Blankenburg. I'd say that's more likely than moving either of those guys for a LHD who would fit with Peeke.

 

[Viqsi]

I don't see any reason why the Jackets shouldn't be open to moving Peeke, tbh. Good player, team-friendly contract, lots of heart, but they have organizational depth at RHD, a position where most teams have a desperate need.

Their biggest holes – especially if/when they move Gavrikov – are at center and LHD. Peeke's traits (size, handedness, contract, toughness) make him an attractive piece in a 'hockey trade' for an established veteran at one of those spots.

Peeke is the best RHD we have right now, and long-term is probably the #2 behind Jiricek. But the odds of one of Boqvist, Blankenburg and Ceulemans turning into a #2 are good enough to bet on if Peeke can help plug the hole at center.

Another possibility: moving Peeke for a good veteran LHD who fits very well next to Boqvist/Blankenburg. I'd say that's more likely than moving either of those guys for a LHD who would fit with Peeke.

I look at our RHD and I see a blizzard of "maybes" and very little certainty. I would be extremely hesitant to trade the guy who looks the most like a sure thing at this point. Strong hopes for how Jiricek and Ceulemans are coming along should not be confused with actual timely NHL readiness.

 

[Petes2424]

This is putrid.

Gavrikov was never thought of as a scorer. He was a hard minutes steady shutdown type, not a big point producer. And that's what he's been this year. Chiarot and Savard as much better all-around players? What planet are you on? Gavrikov is closer to prime Savard than the Savard that was traded to Tampa. And he's better than Chiarot has ever been. He signed the $2.8m deal as an RFA one year after arriving from Russia. How much leverage do you think second pair D have at that point in their careers?

Never a big scorer, but for the record, he probably ends up picking up the pace on his production soon. Gavrikov can make a pass, he's fast, and he has good sense about when to jump into the play. Here he is last game with a nice one touch pass:



It's not that hard to see how he could end up with 28 assists.

If he had one game like he’s having tonight, which is becoming the norm with him btw, he’d be run out of Toronto faster than anyone has ever been. People think Holl is picked on? He’d be the happiest player in town if the Leafs acquired Gavrikov.

It’s pretty obvious he’s a support player. Nobody is sending Columbus anything of real value in return. Not the way he’s playing this year. They’re obviously asking way too much of him right now.

Like I’ve said, the ONLY reason he was looked at as a trade target this year that might get them a 1st, was because he showed some form of a two way game last year. If you think he’s as good as Savard or Chiarot when they were traded, you’re obviously not watching him play. The guy has no game whatsoever in 2 of the 3 zones, and his play in his own zone this year makes Holl look like a solid player.

People really need to watch him play. We’re almost 1/3rd into the season and he’s been atrocious.

 

[Viqsi]

If he had one game like he’s having tonight

Using tonight as the basis of any player measurement is the height of cherrypicking agenda-pushing insanity. As such, please feel free to go away.

 

[Petes2424]

Using tonight as the basis of any player measurement is the height of cherrypicking agenda-pushing insanity. As such, please feel free to go away.

Nobody’s cherry picking anything. This isn’t a ten game stretch. It’s his entire season. Nobody is giving prime assets away for him.

Anyone pretending he’s anything more than a supporting player right now, simply doesn’t watch him play. It’s that simple. With their injuries, he’s been exposed.

I’ll admit, they’re probably asking way to much of him with their injuries, but that sort of proves the point. He’s not worth anything special. He will be a depth add, unless he somehow miraculously turns his season around.

The last thing the Leafs need is another dman who has to be protected in their Top 4.

But hey, if some team wants to pay a premium price for a guy they only play 10-15 minutes a night, or scratch in the playoffs, go for it. Just as long as it’s not the Leafs.