Value of: Vladislav Gavrikov at TDL

[Barnaby]

fair, but the idea of peyton krebs (skilled, fast, still very young, addresses the center position) works in a gavrikov trade. the "but does real life GM see the player that way?" thing is the obvious subtext to any HFB post.

jarmo's options in a gavrikov trade are:
A: late first round pick + buy-low guy + mid prospect
B: conditional (very) late first + young roster player
C: late first + conditional mid-round pick
D: young player with roughly first round value, closer to contributing but not there yet on a playoff team

the jackets are no longer in the 'accumulate assets' phase, and jarmo loves him some hockey trades, so D seemingly makes the most sense. could be a krebs, turcotte, holloway or someone else entirely.

Teams don’t really trade blue chip prospects, let alone blue chip center prospects.

Gavrikov could very well be the big tickets item on defense this deadline. If so, he nets that first and a minor piece or two. Of course an unforeseen defenseman or two being available or a barren market could swing things a bit either way but in recent years he nets a first based on what he is.

So many proposals on these boards involve young blue chip prospects and they sooo rarely get moved. Very few examples in recent years.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Something like 1st, Stastny, and Suzuki? I might do that, but some other team likely could/would make a better offer.

Also my bad. Had Gavrikov on his wrong side originally. Chatfield is RHD so Gavrikov is definitely the right fit there

 

[Vitto79]

2nd and Jones from NYR ?
Not enough ?
Gavrikov and Schneider would be a good playoff pair imo

 

[samsagat]

A 1st and a good prospect

L-A offer of their 1st and Kupari is a good example.

 

[Barnaby]

2nd and Jones from NYR ?
Not enough ?
Gavrikov and Schneider would be a good playoff pair imo

I think Gavrikov lands a 1st especially if he’s the best defenseman on the market. If I’m the Rangers, I’m aiming a bit lower for the backend. I’d prefer to trade a mid round pick for a depth option like they did last year.

 

[gritdash60]

Detroit isn't in a place to go for him, but i would love Gavrikov in Wings.

 

[HuGort]

Friedman was on HNIC tonight. Said take a Chiarot type deal. Oilers and Leafs are in on him.

 

[ViD]

Friedman was on HNIC tonight. Said take a Chiarot type deal. Oilers and Leafs are in on him.

He’s correct.

Still hope he gets re-sighed.

Or traded and then signed in off season

 

[CBJx614]

Friedman was on HNIC tonight. Said take a Chiarot type deal. Oilers and Leafs are in on him.

 

[HuGort]

I see him going to Edmonton for a first and a prospect. Somebody like Broberg or Schaefer.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

If the Canes get a defenseman at the TDL to upgrade on CDH then this is who they should go after. Having one of Slavin, Pesce, Gavrikov on the ice at all times definitely helps lock things down even more.

1st + Drury would be too rich but Cabes have the pieces to get it done if that’s the direction they go. Only issue is do they have to pay the in division tax? CBJ and CAR have traded together before a few times.

 

[Homesick]

I see him going to Edmonton for a first and a prospect. Somebody like Broberg or Schaefer.

That's two firsts and No.

 

[McSuper]

I see him going to Edmonton for a first and a prospect. Somebody like Broberg or Schaefer.

Glasses will help you see better. I see a deal like the Oilers 1st + a 3rd in a later draft plus Puljujarvi for cap reason. Holland isn't trading Broberg when he is starting to play good at the NHL level. Been the best defence man on the ice for the Oilers over the last 7 or 8 games . 19 goals for and 2 against while he is on the ice over the last 6 games. Also Broberg has been PKing and doing good at it. Schaefer is the power forward that will replace Kane down the road.

Holland isn't a GM to make short term gains at the cost of long term sustainability. I also see him trying to move the 2024 1st over the 2023. Either way your trade doesn't work for cap reasons.

 

[dirtydanglez]

1st + niemela

 

[Vitto79]

If he resigns with the team he’s traded too they will get more than a 1st and 3rd

 

[tunnelvision]

I see him going to Edmonton for a first and a prospect. Somebody like Broberg or Schaefer.

Schaefer is the power forward that will replace Kane down the road.

That's two firsts and No.

Is Schaefer a non-starter for EDM? Which would be worse offer from your point of view:

1st + 3rd + Puljujarvi
or
Schaefer + 2nd + Puljujarvi

 

[McSuper]

If he resigns with the team he’s traded too they will get more than a 1st and 3rd

Why? If the team can talk to him ahead of time they don't have to tell CBJ a deal is in place.

Is Schaefer a non-starter for EDM? Which would be worse offer from your point of view:

1st + 3rd + Puljujarvi
or
Schaefer + 2nd + Puljujarvi

That would work. I am going bases of the 1st + Schaefer

 

[Vitto79]

Why? If the team can talk to him ahead of time they don't have to tell CBJ a deal is in place.


That would work. I am going bases of the 1st + Schaefer

The whole point for CLB letting them talk is to get more in a deal . It’s pretty standard

Up to Gavrikov If he finds the money and team he likes

 

[Homesick]

Is Schaefer a non-starter for EDM? Which would be worse offer from your point of view:

1st + 3rd + Puljujarvi
or
Schaefer + 2nd + Puljujarvi

I think it would be. He's a local kid with a unique skill set(probably a 2nd line PWF at best)
The Oilers might even step aside from Gavrikov by the trade deadline if Brobergs play keep ascending. Always nice to have depth though in case of injuries.

 

[dman3474]

What does his next contract look like? 4.5m x 5 years?

 

[cwede]

1st + niemela

Not terrible, but CBJ (a)might prefer a prospect not waiver vulnerable next fall, and (b) given Gav seems most desired D rental, an added sweetener might be needed.
But maybe cbj finnish gm prefers a finn, and a guy to immediately assume Gav minutes

 

[Viqsi]

Not terrible, but CBJ (a)might prefer a prospect not waiver vulnerable next fall, and (b) given Gav seems most desired D rental, an added sweetener might be needed.
But maybe cbj finnish gm prefers a finn, and a guy to immediately assume Gav minutes

If anything, Kekalainen seems to avoid his fellow countrymen. Laine and Korpisalo being the primary exceptions.

 

[HuGort]

Glasses will help you see better. I see a deal like the Oilers 1st + a 3rd in a later draft plus Puljujarvi for cap reason. Holland isn't trading Broberg when he is starting to play good at the NHL level. Been the best defence man on the ice for the Oilers over the last 7 or 8 games . 19 goals for and 2 against while he is on the ice over the last 6 games. Also Broberg has been PKing and doing good at it. Schaefer is the power forward that will replace Kane down the road.

Holland isn't a GM to make short term gains at the cost of long term sustainability. I also see him trying to move the 2024 1st over the 2023. Either way your trade doesn't work for cap reasons.

You'll never get Gavrilova that cheap. There isn't much in your offer. Puljujarvi is a pure cap dump. He has zero trade value. A third has 8% chance of being average NHLer. A first in '24 is much weaker than this draft. Plus Jackets have to wait the extra year.

The first in '23 has way more bite to it

 

[Seachd]

Puljujarvi is a pure cap dump. He has zero trade value.

That's what he's saying.

 

[McSuper]

You'll never get Gavrilova that cheap. There isn't much in your offer. Puljujarvi is a pure cap dump. He has zero trade value. A third has 8% chance of being average NHLer. A first in '24 is much weaker than this draft. Plus Jackets have to wait the extra year.

The first in '23 has way more bite to it

A cap dump that has less then a million left and a few months. Not a cap dump at all, it is the cost of doing business in a cap world. I get Puljujarvi has zero value but I don't think he has negative especially in a trade where he there for cap reason

As for the highlighted part I get that but you don't make your best offer first.