Value of: Vladislav Gavrikov at TDL

[BardownMagic]

Gavrikov @ 50% + 2nd 2024 for oilers 2023 first + foegle + petrov

 

[Viqsi]

Gavrikov @ 50% + 2nd 2024 for oilers 2023 first + foegle + petrov

Take out the 2nd and Foegele, and keep Petrov in only if someone else comes in with a higher bid such that he becomes necessary. We're not spending extra to take on More Wingers.

 

[BardownMagic]

Take out the 2nd and Foegele, and keep Petrov in only if someone else comes in with a higher bid such that he becomes necessary. We're not spending extra to take on More Wingers.

The oilers really need to move cap. I personally dont want to move him, but what about pulju instead? Expiring contract if you don’t qualify him.

Is there a lot of teams willing to give up a first for him? Genuinely curious as pulju+ first seems steep.

Maybe gavrikov+3rd for 2023 1st + pulju? I guess it would really depend on other bids like you said.

 

[Viqsi]

The oilers really need to move cap. I personally dont want to move him, but what about pulju instead? Expiring contract if you don’t qualify him.

Is there a lot of teams willing to give up a first for him? Genuinely curious as pulju+ first seems steep.

Don't care if there's a list; that's the price. Puljujarvi is of minimal interest, honestly.

If you want us to take on cap, you have to pay us to do so. Gavrikov for mid-to-late 1st is its own deal, and we have no problem with max retention for that same return. But if you need to throw in cap dumps, you have to pay more, with assets we actually want and can use. (read: not Even More Wingers).

 

[BardownMagic]

Don't care if there's a list; that's the price. Puljujarvi is of minimal interest, honestly.

If you want us to take on cap, you have to pay us to do so. Gavrikov for mid-to-late 1st is its own deal, and we have no problem with max retention for that same return. But if you need to throw in cap dumps, you have to pay more, with assets we actually want and can use. (read: not Even More Wingers).

Not really a cap dump if it is just for the rest of the season though. Just a necessary element to complete the trade. Fair enough tho, might be better to look at chychrun after all.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Everybody thinks he's getting a 1st but I'm not convinced.

There are only so many 1sts to go around.

Towes, and Kane will get one

ROR and Tank will each get one

and then if SJ decides to trade Meier he's going to get one.

That's 5 can't see many more than that being moved..

Maybe if Columbus is willing to make it 2024 1st but as a 2023 1st goes I think those picks are spoken for.

 

[PuckG]

Based on past conversations I've had with Oil fans, Edmonton's need for quality bottom-6 guys is apparently strong enough that they're extremely unlikely to consider giving up McLeod. (And that's before one considers any possible upside...)

Spot on. We can’t give up McLeod otherwise we get extremely shallow in the bottom 6.

 

[belair]

Everybody thinks he's getting a 1st but I'm not convinced.

There are only so many 1sts to go around.

Towes, and Kane will get one

ROR and Tank will each get one

and then if SJ decides to trade Meier he's going to get one.

That's 5 can't see many more than that being moved..

Maybe if Columbus is willing to make it 2024 1st but as a 2023 1st goes I think those picks are spoken for.

Gavrikov will easily get a first. He's a 27 year old top four defensemen making less than $3m and they'll probably retain.

Factor in the fact that Columbus would probably prefer to re-sign him and you've got a bidding war that includes the team that owns his rights.

 

[Djp]

Everybody thinks he's getting a 1st but I'm not convinced.

There are only so many 1sts to go around.

Towes, and Kane will get one

ROR and Tank will each get one

and then if SJ decides to trade Meier he's going to get one.

That's 5 can't see many more than that being moved..

Maybe if Columbus is willing to make it 2024 1st but as a 2023 1st goes I think those picks are spoken for.

i generally agree with you. Only so many 1st will be traded. If theyare it’s more likely a 24 1st…especially if the player has term/ control beyond this year. 24 1st ( lottery/ top 5-10 protected) is worth about the same than a mid 2nd.

right now assuming Dallas and tampa meet criteria then them, and Florida have already traded their 1sts

abunch of teams have traded their 2nds. Boston, Toronto, tampa, Colorado, St. Louis, winnipeg . It’s highly unlikely they trade their 1st round picks.

Tampa, Florida, and calgary have traded their 1st if criteria holds.

rangers are the team that will be willing to trade a first to acquire a deadline player.

this season looks like near the deadline you have 22+ teams still in the playoff hunt. Only about 5-6 are “ Safe” playoff teams near the deadline. The rest are in a battle so they will add protections or refuse to give a 1st outright.



thr players getting a 1st who are UFA rentals or have 1+ yrs left…( these all will carry protections of some sort likr lottery, top 10, miss playoffs, top 20)

Kane
ROR
Meier
Horvat
Larkin



whoi is likely getting a 2nd that could become a 1st on the team making the final 4 ot cup final and player plays..

Toews— he is a bottom 6 depth player not a player a team looking for a 2nd line center will target
Tarasenko
Bertuzzi
Reinhart


outright 2nd with possible + with 50% retention but this + could go to 3rd team in retrntion. The 2nd could be lower if a better prospect is given up.

Dumba
edmundson
klingberg




some the players in the second group is because of player's actual salary and the need for a 3rd team involvement.
a player with higher real salary will require a 2nd going to a pass thru team which might fit a trade that could have bern a 1st become 2 2nd where one goes to the 3rd team.
at deadline teams will have limited space so they likely need a 3rd team. Kane/Toews actual salary owed is more than half what Monahan is owed So a 3rd team retaining on Kane/ Toews might cost just a 4th to the 3rd team while Monahan costs a 2nd to the third team.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

i generally agree with you. Only so many 1st will be traded. If theyare it’s more likely a 24 1st…especially if the player has term/ control beyond this year. 24 1st ( lottery/ top 5-10 protected) is worth about the same than a mid 2nd.

right now assuming Dallas and tampa meet criteria then them, and Florida have already traded their 1sts

abunch of teams have traded their 2nds. Boston, Toronto, tampa, Colorado, St. Louis, winnipeg . It’s highly unlikely they trade their 1st round picks.

Tampa, Florida, and calgary have traded their 1st if criteria holds.

rangers are the team that will be willing to trade a first to acquire a deadline player.

this season looks like near the deadline you have 22+ teams still in the playoff hunt. Only about 5-6 are “ Safe” playoff teams near the deadline. The rest are in a battle so they will add protections or refuse to give a 1st outright.



thr players getting a 1st who are UFA rentals or have 1+ yrs left…( these all will carry protections of some sort likr lottery, top 10, miss playoffs, top 20)

Kane
ROR
Meier
Horvat
Larkin



whoi is likely getting a 2nd that could become a 1st on the team making the final 4 ot cup final and player plays..

Toews— he is a bottom 6 depth player not a player a team looking for a 2nd line center will target
Tarasenko
Bertuzzi
Reinhart


outright 2nd with possible + with 50% retention but this + could go to 3rd team in retrntion. The 2nd could be lower if a better prospect is given up.

Dumba
edmundson
klingberg




some the players in the second group is because of player's actual salary and the need for a 3rd team involvement.
a player with higher real salary will require a 2nd going to a pass thru team which might fit a trade that could have bern a 1st become 2 2nd where one goes to the 3rd team.
at deadline teams will have limited space so they likely need a 3rd team. Kane/Toews actual salary owed is more than half what Monahan is owed So a 3rd team retaining on Kane/ Toews might cost just a 4th to the 3rd team while Monahan costs a 2nd to the third team.

You have to remember though Towes has that winning pedigree that GM LOVE and he was the captain.

I don't know that I agree that it's unlikely Toronto moves a 1st, coming into tonight they are 1 point out of 1st overall in the NHL they are in buying mode.

 

[Djp]

Gavrikov will easily get a first. He's a 27 year old top four defensemen making less than $3m and they'll probably retain.

Factor in the fact that Columbus would probably prefer to re-sign him and you've got a bidding war that includes the team that owns his rights.

if he gets a 1st it’s likely heavily conditioned. Like top 20 protected or a bunch of conditions based on where the 1st is.

hes middle pair D…those don’t get 1sts outside an idiot GM. they are more in the 2nd+ range

look back at vet D trades who are mid pair. They are usually a 2nd+ 2nd-5th+ possibly a B/C prospect in return. The 2nd could carry conditions on it like it’s a 1st if team makes final 4.

You have to remember though Towes has that winning pedigree that GM LOVE and he was the captain.

I don't know that I agree that it's unlikely Toronto moves a 1st, coming into tonight they are 1 point out of 1st overall in the NHL they are in buying mode.

check Back near the 50 game/ end January mark. It’s too risky now to move a 1st this early For rentals.

if they are near the lock top 5 teams thrn they might be more inclined to do that. I’m not sold on Toronto advancing in the playoffs.

 

[belair]

if he gets a 1st it’s likely heavily conditioned. Like top 20 protected or a bunch of conditions based on where the 1st is.

hes middle pair D…those don’t get 1sts outside an idiot GM. they are more in the 2nd+ range

look back at vet D trades who are mid pair. They are usually a 2nd+ 2nd-5th+ possibly a B/C prospect in return. The 2nd could carry conditions on it like it’s a 1st if team makes final 4.



check Back near the 50 game/ end January mark. It’s too risky now to move a 1st this early For rentals.

if they are near the lock top 5 teams thrn they might be more inclined to do that. I’m not sold on Toronto advancing in the playoffs.

The team that trades for him won't need to put the conditions on the pick.

The only way he doesn't return a first IMO is if he's moved in some unexpected hockey trade like Horvat.

Columbus would be foolish not to re-sign him if offers were in the 2nd round plus range. And older, less accomplished players have gone for more in recent memory.

 

[majormajor]

The team that trades for him won't need to put the conditions on the pick.

The only way he doesn't return a first IMO is if he's moved in some unexpected hockey trade like Horvat.

Columbus would be foolish not to re-sign him if offers were in the 2nd round plus range. And older, less accomplished players have gone for more in recent memory.

They'd be foolish not to re-sign him even if he can fetch a late 1st. They need him more than they need picks. We're not sure if Gavi is willing to stay though, or if Jarmo is being stupid again.

look back at vet D trades who are mid pair. They are usually a 2nd+ 2nd-5th+ possibly a B/C prospect in return.

Ok. Manson, Savard, Chiarot... Not sure who you're thinking of.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Don't care if there's a list; that's the price. Puljujarvi is of minimal interest, honestly.

If you want us to take on cap, you have to pay us to do so. Gavrikov for mid-to-late 1st is its own deal, and we have no problem with max retention for that same return. But if you need to throw in cap dumps, you have to pay more, with assets we actually want and can use. (read: not Even More Wingers).

I’d bet money that A. Gavrikov is traded and B. There is no 1st involved

 

[Viqsi]

I’d bet money that A. Gavrikov is traded and B. There is no 1st involved

Thanks for sharing.

I see we're back to another trade negging cycle. Guess some pundit mentioned his name during I dunno HNIC or something and so now we're getting all the lazy entitlement replies...

 

[TheNumber4]

2023 1st for Rental Gavrikov (50% retained).

Add Mcleod to that if you can convince Gavrikov to sign before the trade. (No retention needed for the extension portion)

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Thanks for sharing.

I see we're back to another trade negging cycle. Guess some pundit mentioned his name during I dunno HNIC or something and so now we're getting all the lazy entitlement replies...

I was more or less wondering if you wanted to PM me to make a bet?

 

[Viqsi]

2023 1st for Rental Gavrikov (50% retained).

Add Mcleod to that if you can convince Gavrikov to sign before the trade. (No retention needed for the extension portion)

If he's willing to sign here, we'd rather keep him. But otherwise that works for us.

 

[Viqsi]

I was more or less wondering if you wanted to PM me to make a bet?

I don't waste time considering such things with people who don't debate in good faith.

 

[Xoggz22]

There's a lot to unravel here so just another opinion....

I haven't seen people take into account his age as it relates to potential re-sign in the event he is traded. I'm sure it was mentioned but Savard garnered a 1st and a 3rd after double retention (Savard cost TBL around $1MM AAV at the deadline). Gavrikov is not only similar to Savard but actually younger, better in transition (by a mile), plays a similar game, more offensive ability and with single retention (if needed) would be around $1.4MM AAV at the deadline (50% on current AAV).

Add to that he's 27 years old so a future contract could be 4-5 years with little downside (all depends on salary). He would likely be the best available defenseman on the market and the forwards I've seen mentioned are not guys to get signed to a new deal by the team trading for them. What does a team need? Forward/Captain/Experience? Defensemen/Top 4/All situation? A team will very more than willing to pay a 1st at the deadline (or sooner) if Columbus is unable/unwilling to re-sign him.

He's being undersold by a few on here. There aren't many teams he wouldn't be a top 4 guy and he's great in the room too. I'm hopeful CBJ re-signs him but if not, he's going to get a damn good return. If not a 1st, a high end prospect (preferably Center) that is close to ready to play or shows high upside.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

I don't waste time considering such things with people who don't debate in good faith.

Okay well for me I don’t think the market for him will be huge as there is a lot of big fish on the market and not much cap space. I think he gets a 2nd and a prospect obviously you will use flordia as an example with Chariot. Maybe Gravkov is better but he doesn’t have the pedigree of bring a mediocre habs team to the Stanley cup final well playing 25-30 min a night. I think Flordia got desperate and teams won’t make the same mistake

 

[Crede777]

Everybody thinks he's getting a 1st but I'm not convinced.

There are only so many 1sts to go around.

Towes, and Kane will get one

ROR and Tank will each get one

and then if SJ decides to trade Meier he's going to get one.

That's 5 can't see many more than that being moved..

Maybe if Columbus is willing to make it 2024 1st but as a 2023 1st goes I think those picks are spoken for.

It's true there are only so many 1sts to go around at the TDL but the players you named are all forwards.

If a team is seriously looking to add a defenseman, Gavrikov would be at or near the top of the list.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

That's 5 can't see many more than that being moved..

Maybe if Columbus is willing to make it 2024 1st but as a 2023 1st goes I think those picks are spoken for.

that's why there's this thing called draft pick conditions

if the Jackets want a first round pick, they'll get one from Gavrikov. I think Jarmo might want to target a young, close-to-NHL-ready kind of player instead, though.

 

[CBJx614]

that's why there's this thing called draft pick conditions

if the Jackets want a first round pick, they'll get one from Gavrikov. I think Jarmo might want to target a young, close-to-NHL-ready kind of player instead, though.

I go back and forth on this a lot. But you only have so many openings at once and unless we can find that center, we might be best with a pick. You always want to keep that prospect pool as full as possible in case someone doesn't develop as planned... And if they do, you have more trade chips down the line!

 

[bossram]

Yeah, it seems pretty reasonable to assume that Gavrikov will return a 1st. Similar guys at the deadline like Savard and Chiarot pulled that in.

Whether a team should pay that price is a different question.