Larry Brooks: Vitaly Kravtsov headed back to the KHL

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It's nice to see how everyone overreacted yesterday and now we find out from the player that he's just fighting himself to be better and upset that he didn't make the team.

Not upset at the team, but upset at himself. I'll take that any day of the week.

He'll be back and I'd have to guess he'll crack this lineup next season.
 
And yet the failure of being the only team to not come away with an elite talent in the 2003 draft came back to haunt us during that run.

Imagine a prime Mike Richards leading that 2012 team that already was very hard to play against and outworked their opponent every night? We would have been unstoppable.

Imagine a prime 43 goal scoring Corey Perry on that 2014 team? He surely would have put us over the hump against LA unlike lame ass unclutch Rick Nash.

Or a Selke Patrice Bergeron leading us into Game 7 of the ECF against Tampa?

Those mistakes could easily come around to haunt us a second time. See my point?
It's not that you don't have a point it's that the point leaves out so much context that it becomes completely useless to make
 
It's not an overeaction to say that this is a dissapointment.

Most of us had Krav on the NHL team, but he struggled in the AHL.

I don't care if he's 19. It doesn't mean he won't be a good player, but it is a negative that this happened.

Just like it's a negative that Chytil didn't make the team, just like its a negative that Anderson is a 4th liner 2 years after being drafted in the first round. Just like its a negative that Kakko has 2 points in his first 8 games.

We wanted more than we've gotten so far. That's a fact.
Bluntly put: you were wrong to want more. Now isn't the time. Now never should have been thought of as the time. This isn't hindsight, a lot of people here had the foresight to repeatedly warn the board to expect this or even worse

There's nothing wrong with HOPING for more. I hoped big time. I dreamed of a Kravtsov, Chytil line passing over, around, under and through NHL teams this year. Kakko hitting 60 points, Howden being a big, physical shutdown C who pitches in offensively. Lias scoring clutch all over while also providing great D.

But I never expected it. Not for another 2 years. (So some of this may start next season but I don't fully expect it until the season after which is why getting Panarin was likely a bad move)
 
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Seems like Kravtsov knew what was expected of him, but was confused on how to accomplish it. Miscommunication. Mixed messages at every turn.

The front office did NOT put Kravtsov in an ideal place to succeed. You think they'd have a system in place to openly communicate with Kravtsov, perhaps employ a Russian coach or translator to hold his hand through the initial process, convey exactly what the coaches want, answer his questions, etc. Christ, the kid is only 19.
Complete incompetence.
How is it incompetence on the Rangers organization that the kid isn’t ready?
Put the onus on VK.
 
Something I struggle with is the timing of how we view any young player.

When I say that, I’m talking specifically about when the bar rises or lowers for a player.

I’ll give you a prime example: JT Miller. I felt he was a legit player and really liked him as a prospect. But I probably pegged him as more of a 15-20 goal, 40-45 point player. Warts and criticisms aside, his offensive production has been more than that.

Sometimes you have a guy who comes out of the gate fast and then fades with time.

Other times, you have a guy who takes a little longer, like Zibanejad, who hits his next level at 25 or 26.

Then you have guys who yo-yo a bit, like Skjei. He looked like a guy who could be a third pairing defenseman when he was drafted, then he kind of overachieved and skyrocketed expectations, and now he’s almost settling back into his original expectation.

That leads me to our 2018 draft. When we made our selections, my feeling was that we were really focused on the long game. I didn’t expect any of our picks in the first two rounds to be in the NHL the fastest or necessarily having the earliest impact.

In many ways I still feel that way, though Kravtsov, Miller and Lundkvist have come together so nicely thus far, it can sometimes be hard to not want to raise expectations and speed up the timeline a little.

But this situation is a much-needed reminder that while the expectations changed primarily due to how fast they came out of the date, we still have to accept that these guys are still longer term investments.
 
Something I struggle with is the timing of how we view any young player.

When I say that, I’m talking specifically about when the bar rises or lowers for a player.

I’ll give you a prime example: JT Miller. I felt he was a legit player and really liked him as a prospect. But I probably pegged him as more of a 15-20 goal, 40-45 point player. Warts and criticisms aside, his offensive production has been more than that.

Sometimes you have a guy who comes out of the gate fast and then fades with time.

Other times, you have a guy who takes a little longer, like Zibanejad, who hits his next level at 25 or 26.

Then you have guys who yo-yo a bit, like Skjei. He looked like a guy who could be a third pairing defenseman when he was drafted, then he kind of overachieved and skyrocketed expectations, and now he’s almost settling back into his original expectation.

That leads me to our 2018 draft. When we made our selections, my feeling was that we were really focused on the long game. I didn’t expect any of our picks in the first two rounds to be in the NHL the fastest or necessarily having the earliest impact.

In many ways I still feel that way, though Kravtsov, Miller and Lundkvist have come together so nicely thus far, it can sometimes be hard to not want to raise expectations and speed up the timeline a little.

But this situation is a much-needed reminder that while the expectations changed primarily due to how fast they came out of the date, we still have to accept that these guys are still longer term investments.

These are all good points.

But the thing a few of us have been harping on: shouldn’t the Rangers recognize this too, and more than anyone else? They’ve shown me, in the past few years, that they have a poorer understanding of this than anyone.
 
These are all good points.

But the thing a few of us have been harping on: shouldn’t the Rangers recognize this too, and more than anyone else? They’ve shown me, in the past few years, that they have a poorer understanding of this than anyone.

In this case, I’m not sure there were glaring signs that were missed. If anything, that’s why I think everyone is as surprised as they are, and taking this as hard as they have.
 
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Feels like the heart rate comment isn’t suppose to be taken as literal as everyone is taking it
Agreed. Don't know whether or not Vitali took it literally, but the coach(es) who used the term probably meant to say they wanted him to play with more urgency/determination. It's not an unheard of metaphor in coach-speak.

(Would suck if some or all of this was rooted in something that was lost in translation...)
 
Going around Twitter this kid deleted every photo on instagram NYR related. Lol. What a Friggen baby. This is what we’re dealing with. I’m embarrassed for him.
 
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It's very obvious there are hurt feelings. Regardless of which side is at fault, it ultimately will be a failure of the Rangers if things end up not working out.

Feels like the Rangers were too hands off in their handling of him. They should have done everything they could to reassure him that we are fully committed to his development after the initial rumors of him going back to Russia came out. Instead it seemed like we just let it be and continued to alienate him by benching him and demoting him to the 4th line after he makes a mistake.
 
You can spin how you want but if it’s making the rounds on Twitter. (And that’s how I heard about it) it’ll be in the news cycle very soon. That’s how these things blow up. Just because it doesn’t fit your narrative doesn’t mean it won’t be a story that makes things worse.

like let’s be realistic here that’s how the sports media works
 
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Imagine being a grown man and this upset about what a teenager does with his social media posts :laugh:
Imagine being grown men and spending literally countless hours watching, posting about, and reading about hockey prospects on a forum.

That's all of us? Shit.

Seriously, not sure why it's worth mocking that someone would check the kid's IG and make that observation. You jet set all over the world to get autographs and take pictures and sit with kids' families. We all have a lot of devotion to this; I for one find it interesting that he has removed NYR-related stuff.
 
Going around Twitter this kid deleted every photo on instagram NYR related. Lol. What a Friggen baby. This is what we’re dealing with. I’m embarrassed for him.
No resason to find any malice or spite there, probably just wants to promote the club he is currently with. I think you are reading way too much into it. Could even be part of the arrangement.

I'm not happy that he seemed to give up this soon and would have liked him to fight it out in the A, but in the end if this helps him develop into a better player in 2021 or 2022, I'm fine with it. Some guys play and develop better with less adversity.
 
Going around Twitter this kid deleted every photo on instagram NYR related. Lol. What a Friggen baby. This is what we’re dealing with. I’m embarrassed for him.

He's 19 years old. There's 19 year old guys and girls that are in college that send out subtweets and remove friends and pictures from their social media anytime someone makes them sad. The kid obviously had his dream crushed and was hurt over it. He'll be fine. Welcome to 2019.
 

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