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Nothing wrong with letting the coaching staff see if they can turn this guy into something at the cost it’s literally a no-brainer.
fantastic report, and thanksHere's a breakdown of what transpired regarding the "drama"
He's drafted 9th overall in 2018, Kakko is drafted 2nd overall in 2019. Kravtsov came to America months early and did a lot of work in learning English (you'll see in his interviews how great his English is) and went above & beyond what's typically expected of a European prospect. In the 2019 training camp all of the Rangers beat reporters, front office, etc are reporting that Kravtsov was the stand out player of camp, totally outshining the hyped 2nd overall Kakko. He was far and away the most dominant player in that entire camp, and then in that 2019 preseason Kravtsov goes on to outscore not only Kakko, but also Zibanejad, Kreider, Strome, Chytil & Fox.
He's then cut from the team in favor of Kakko, who goes on to be the statistically worst player in the entire NHL that season. Kakko started his career stapled to the top 6 & PP1, handed every opportunity in the world but completely squandered it. Meanwhile Kravtsov reports to Hartford, after some time he decides to exercise his European Assignment Clause, something that was literally negotiated into his contract and completely within his rights to exercise. It's a very common thing for European players to do, even ones who aren't nearly as highly touted as Kravtsov was. The same season, but without even reporting to Hartford; Tarmo Reunanen exercised his European Assignment Clause as well. But Chris Drury, at the time GM of the Hartford Wolfpack; singles out Kravtsov when he's saying goodbye to his teammates and publicly yells at him, reaming him out & calling him a quitter in front of the team.
In 2020 during the bubble, the Rangers who didn't have much depth and wouldn't have made the playoffs if it weren't for the play in round expanding the teams who were in; asked if he wanted to come back over to play. Kravtsov skips his sisters wedding and hops on the first plane out for the opportunity to play, but the team opts not to play him a single game.
In 2021 the Rangers trade Buchnevich for Blais & a 2nd rd pick, with Drury citing the reasoning being to give Kakko & Kravtsov more minutes. Drury tells Kravtsov to skip prospect camp all together and report straight to the main team. Kravtsov plays well in the preseason once again and Drury in a bizarre move, does not invite him to the team building event in Rhode Island. Kravtsov once again does not make the team, and the entire fanbase is shocked and outraged at this. They opted to have the likes of Hunt, Hajek & Gauthier on the team instead. Hajek meant they were carrying 8 defensemen which was a very uncommon thing to do, especially when the other option would be carrying the standard number for each position including your 9th overall pick instead. This time Kravtsov does not report to Hartford, Drury then agrees to loan Kravtsov to Traktor of the KHL.
Kravtsov once again has a season that compares favorably to the likes of Panarin, Buchnevich, Kuznetsov, Tarasenko; including his signature dominant playoff performance which has become an annual tradition. Throughout the season he's in contact with the Rangers front office and they agree to try it again.
Kravtsov comes to camp early before anyone else to get a head start, this time making the team as the 2RW. He gets injured and when he comes back is now all of a sudden a 4th liner/healthy scratch even though his last game was as 2RW. He was healthy scratched for long stretches of games and Gallant would cite "Can't change things after a win" but when Kravtsov did play and they won, he would still be healthy scratched the very next game, all the time. When he did get to play Gallant would bench him for essentially the entire third period of games. When Kravtsov was on PP2 he would get 10 seconds and then he would sprint to the bench with about 20 seconds left in the PP to get Trouba out there, this happened every shift he's had on the PP for some reason. He would sprint to the bench while they had possession in the offensive zone, this was some strange demand Gallant had of him.
He was the first player on the ice at practically every single practise this season, often 10+ minutes before anyone else was even there. He always attended the optional skates, and did everything that was asked of him but was routinely the odd one out in favor of horrible players like Jake Leshyshyn.
Any honest person would say there is fault on both sides. I think that if we hadn't won the draft lottery in back to back years (Kakko/Laf) there would be widespread outrage from our fanbase for this treatment of a top 10 pick. If you go back and read GDT's from his 20 game NHL stint the 2020-21 season you'll see all of the Ranger fans fawning over him and saying that he was the best rookie Ranger they had ever seen, how they wish Laf & Kakko looked like him, and that he was better than Kovalev. He was routinely voted one of the top 3 starts practically every single game. But then they developed a vendetta against him because of the drama and now many engage in revisionist history claiming that he wasn't good.
Drury & Gallant have a type in players and they love the guys who are more than the sum of their parts, who lack the tools but play an honest game or whatever platitude you want to use. Kravtsov came in as a flashy, confident Russian kid who wasn't intimidated by the organization and stood up for himself when he felt he was mistreated and exercised a mutually agreed upon clause in his contract when they thought he wouldn't. I think Drury has had a vendetta against him ever since.
Do you mean because of him scoring more goals than assists or that watching him it looks like he gets tunnel vision? Traktor while he was with them was one of the worst offensive teams in KHL history to make the playoffs, so he had to do a lot himself. He utilizes teammates very well, even in creative ways that don't get on the scoresheet such as one of his signature moves of bringing a defender behind the net so his teammates can score. He also essentially invented the move of standing backwards in the slot for a catch & release when he was at the WJC, the TSN broadcast commented how they'd never seen anything like it before and that highlight was everywhere; then a week later Draisaitl copied it in a game.Kravtsov is interestin to me
Overall he is an interesting case that you dont see very often. I the last player that I can think of that was similar was Lias Andersson and that didnt turn out well at all
- You can tell he has elite hands
- He hasnt played a lot of NHL games, now this maybe because he isnt ready but usually prospects that are labled reclamination projects or of Kratsov nature have a lot more games then he does
- The Ranger have not been going a good job of putting him in spots to succeed since they have a lot of highend wingers higher in the depth chart
- He Production in the KHL seems to indicate that he gets tunnel vision and doesn't utilize his teammates very well. If he is a puck Carrier that would work well with the type of players we have
- Everyone says he has highend skill which usually translate well to the NHL
- I question if he would be willing to play as a 3rd line PP2 guy and play more of a defensively minded game or adapt his game to stay in the NHL as a mid 6 player
- People in NY say he has had entitledment issues which is something that people often outgrow, especially after they have been traded a couple of times (this is his first trade so it maybe not work
This is reassuring given rumours of character issues. The new coaching staff here has been been doing great with spreading out opportunity and ice time for players, and have been putting players in positions to succeed. Guys like Joshua and Podkolzin are getting games on scoring lines, so I have no doubt Kravtsov will get games (not just shifts) with Petey and JT, and I imagine if he plays tonight against Dallas they will work him into a scoring role with skilled players to build up his confidence. He'll likely get games with lower minutes on checking lines if they want him to work on things like board battles ect, but this coaching/management group has been good at cycling these type of guys in the lineup to keep their confidence up while coaching the weak parts of their game.Here's a breakdown of what transpired regarding the "drama"
He's drafted 9th overall in 2018, Kakko is drafted 2nd overall in 2019. Kravtsov came to America months early and did a lot of work in learning English (you'll see in his interviews how great his English is) and went above & beyond what's typically expected of a European prospect. In the 2019 training camp all of the Rangers beat reporters, front office, etc are reporting that Kravtsov was the stand out player of camp, totally outshining the hyped 2nd overall Kakko. He was far and away the most dominant player in that entire camp, and then in that 2019 preseason Kravtsov goes on to outscore not only Kakko, but also Zibanejad, Kreider, Strome, Chytil & Fox.
He's then cut from the team in favor of Kakko, who goes on to be the statistically worst player in the entire NHL that season. Kakko started his career stapled to the top 6 & PP1, handed every opportunity in the world but completely squandered it. Meanwhile Kravtsov reports to Hartford, after some time he decides to exercise his European Assignment Clause, something that was literally negotiated into his contract and completely within his rights to exercise. It's a very common thing for European players to do, even ones who aren't nearly as highly touted as Kravtsov was. The same season, but without even reporting to Hartford; Tarmo Reunanen exercised his European Assignment Clause as well. But Chris Drury, at the time GM of the Hartford Wolfpack; singles out Kravtsov when he's saying goodbye to his teammates and publicly yells at him, reaming him out & calling him a quitter in front of the team.
In 2020 during the bubble, the Rangers who didn't have much depth and wouldn't have made the playoffs if it weren't for the play in round expanding the teams who were in; asked if he wanted to come back over to play. Kravtsov skips his sisters wedding and hops on the first plane out for the opportunity to play, but the team opts not to play him a single game.
In 2021 the Rangers trade Buchnevich for Blais & a 2nd rd pick, with Drury citing the reasoning being to give Kakko & Kravtsov more minutes. Drury tells Kravtsov to skip prospect camp all together and report straight to the main team. Kravtsov plays well in the preseason once again and Drury in a bizarre move, does not invite him to the team building event in Rhode Island. Kravtsov once again does not make the team, and the entire fanbase is shocked and outraged at this. They opted to have the likes of Hunt, Hajek & Gauthier on the team instead. Hajek meant they were carrying 8 defensemen which was a very uncommon thing to do, especially when the other option would be carrying the standard number for each position including your 9th overall pick instead. This time Kravtsov does not report to Hartford, Drury then agrees to loan Kravtsov to Traktor of the KHL.
Kravtsov once again has a season that compares favorably to the likes of Panarin, Buchnevich, Kuznetsov, Tarasenko; including his signature dominant playoff performance which has become an annual tradition. Throughout the season he's in contact with the Rangers front office and they agree to try it again.
Kravtsov comes to camp early before anyone else to get a head start, this time making the team as the 2RW. He gets injured and when he comes back is now all of a sudden a 4th liner/healthy scratch even though his last game was as 2RW. He was healthy scratched for long stretches of games and Gallant would cite "Can't change things after a win" but when Kravtsov did play and they won, he would still be healthy scratched the very next game, all the time. When he did get to play Gallant would bench him for essentially the entire third period of games. When Kravtsov was on PP2 he would get 10 seconds and then he would sprint to the bench with about 20 seconds left in the PP to get Trouba out there, this happened every shift he's had on the PP for some reason. He would sprint to the bench while they had possession in the offensive zone, this was some strange demand Gallant had of him.
He was the first player on the ice at practically every single practise this season, often 10+ minutes before anyone else was even there. He always attended the optional skates, and did everything that was asked of him but was routinely the odd one out in favor of horrible players like Jake Leshyshyn.
Any honest person would say there is fault on both sides. I think that if we hadn't won the draft lottery in back to back years (Kakko/Laf) there would be widespread outrage from our fanbase for this treatment of a top 10 pick. If you go back and read GDT's from his 20 game NHL stint the 2020-21 season you'll see all of the Ranger fans fawning over him and saying that he was the best rookie Ranger they had ever seen, how they wish Laf & Kakko looked like him, and that he was better than Kovalev. He was routinely voted one of the top 3 starts practically every single game. But then they developed a vendetta against him because of the drama and now many engage in revisionist history claiming that he wasn't good.
Drury & Gallant have a type in players and they love the guys who are more than the sum of their parts, who lack the tools but play an honest game or whatever platitude you want to use. Kravtsov came in as a flashy, confident Russian kid who wasn't intimidated by the organization and stood up for himself when he felt he was mistreated and exercised a mutually agreed upon clause in his contract when they thought he wouldn't. I think Drury has had a vendetta against him ever since.
Thanks for the detailed write up..Geez, I hope he isnt like Alex Burmistrov..We had him here for a spell, and he was incredibly ineffective..(although his puck handling chops were top notch).Rangers fan dropping in to give my scouting report on Kravtsov.
Physical: Tall drink of water. Good skating stride that is effortless and often assumed to be him coasting because he doesn't "look" like he's trying. Long reach, decent stickhandling, has a few go to moves - but is easily pushed off the puck or slowed by contact. Can't fight through checks. Can win some board battles on guile and technique, but won't win most.
Offense: Underrated release, but doesn't get into position to use it nearly enough at this stage in his development. Spent much of his time afraid to make a mistake, but some of that is probably a byproduct of how he was handled. Has very good offensive instincts away from the puck and plays a support role well, but this doesn't create offense for him. He does the little things though. He'll take defenders behind the net to clear the slot for a teammate, he'll try to pick off a defender in front of the net to give a teammate more time to shoot, etc. He does use his teammates, but that's usually through giving them the puck in the neutral zone, not through playmaking in the offensive zone.
Defense: Not elite, but very good and definitely better than advertised. He's good at blocking passing lanes and is rarely out of position. He's a very good backchecker, and he's usually pretty good in transition - especially once he's out of his zone. Carries - strong in the neutral zone, weak in the offensive zone. Defensive zone puck movement and outs are a mixed bag. Doesn't block a ton of shots but takes away lanes and reads where the puck is going to be, and goes there...just may not win the physical battle for the puck when he gets there.
Mental: Could be better. Wasn't wrong in that he made the team last season, and there was no reason to send him to the AHL, but throwing a tantrum wasn't the way to handle that. A lot of fans feel he'd benefit from the AHL, but the track record of Russian players developing in the AHL is mixed at best. He had opportunities this year and didn't make the most of them, and didn't seem to show the fire or desperation of somone truly eager to prove the front office wrong. Fresh start could be good for him, but if he thinks the league owes him something, that will only get in his way.
If he can learn to rip the puck, maybe he can carve a niche as an Alexander Selivanov type with better passing and defensive instincts. If he can't, he's Alex Burmistrov with better defense.
To clarify, Burmistrov is basically where he's at right this second (at least offensively).Thanks for the detailed write up..Geez, I hope he isnt like Alex Burmistrov..We had him here for a spell, and he was incredibly ineffective..(although his puck handling chops were top notch).
Then again, with the price tag that we got Kravtsov for, my expectations are not high.
Sounds like Travis Green would fit in that setup seamlesslyHere's a breakdown of what transpired regarding the "drama"
He's drafted 9th overall in 2018, Kakko is drafted 2nd overall in 2019. Kravtsov came to America months early and did a lot of work in learning English (you'll see in his interviews how great his English is) and went above & beyond what's typically expected of a European prospect. In the 2019 training camp all of the Rangers beat reporters, front office, etc are reporting that Kravtsov was the stand out player of camp, totally outshining the hyped 2nd overall Kakko. He was far and away the most dominant player in that entire camp, and then in that 2019 preseason Kravtsov goes on to outscore not only Kakko, but also Zibanejad, Kreider, Strome, Chytil & Fox.
He's then cut from the team in favor of Kakko, who goes on to be the statistically worst player in the entire NHL that season. Kakko started his career stapled to the top 6 & PP1, handed every opportunity in the world but completely squandered it. Meanwhile Kravtsov reports to Hartford, after some time he decides to exercise his European Assignment Clause, something that was literally negotiated into his contract and completely within his rights to exercise. It's a very common thing for European players to do, even ones who aren't nearly as highly touted as Kravtsov was. The same season, but without even reporting to Hartford; Tarmo Reunanen exercised his European Assignment Clause as well. But Chris Drury, at the time GM of the Hartford Wolfpack; singles out Kravtsov when he's saying goodbye to his teammates and publicly yells at him, reaming him out & calling him a quitter in front of the team.
In 2020 during the bubble, the Rangers who didn't have much depth and wouldn't have made the playoffs if it weren't for the play in round expanding the teams who were in; asked if he wanted to come back over to play. Kravtsov skips his sisters wedding and hops on the first plane out for the opportunity to play, but the team opts not to play him a single game.
In 2021 the Rangers trade Buchnevich for Blais & a 2nd rd pick, with Drury citing the reasoning being to give Kakko & Kravtsov more minutes. Drury tells Kravtsov to skip prospect camp all together and report straight to the main team. Kravtsov plays well in the preseason once again and Drury in a bizarre move, does not invite him to the team building event in Rhode Island. Kravtsov once again does not make the team, and the entire fanbase is shocked and outraged at this. They opted to have the likes of Hunt, Hajek & Gauthier on the team instead. Hajek meant they were carrying 8 defensemen which was a very uncommon thing to do, especially when the other option would be carrying the standard number for each position including your 9th overall pick instead. This time Kravtsov does not report to Hartford, Drury then agrees to loan Kravtsov to Traktor of the KHL.
Kravtsov once again has a season that compares favorably to the likes of Panarin, Buchnevich, Kuznetsov, Tarasenko; including his signature dominant playoff performance which has become an annual tradition. Throughout the season he's in contact with the Rangers front office and they agree to try it again.
Kravtsov comes to camp early before anyone else to get a head start, this time making the team as the 2RW. He gets injured and when he comes back is now all of a sudden a 4th liner/healthy scratch even though his last game was as 2RW. He was healthy scratched for long stretches of games and Gallant would cite "Can't change things after a win" but when Kravtsov did play and they won, he would still be healthy scratched the very next game, all the time. When he did get to play Gallant would bench him for essentially the entire third period of games. When Kravtsov was on PP2 he would get 10 seconds and then he would sprint to the bench with about 20 seconds left in the PP to get Trouba out there, this happened every shift he's had on the PP for some reason. He would sprint to the bench while they had possession in the offensive zone, this was some strange demand Gallant had of him.
He was the first player on the ice at practically every single practise this season, often 10+ minutes before anyone else was even there. He always attended the optional skates, and did everything that was asked of him but was routinely the odd one out in favor of horrible players like Jake Leshyshyn.
Any honest person would say there is fault on both sides. I think that if we hadn't won the draft lottery in back to back years (Kakko/Laf) there would be widespread outrage from our fanbase for this treatment of a top 10 pick. If you go back and read GDT's from his 20 game NHL stint the 2020-21 season you'll see all of the Ranger fans fawning over him and saying that he was the best rookie Ranger they had ever seen, how they wish Laf & Kakko looked like him, and that he was better than Kovalev. He was routinely voted one of the top 3 starts practically every single game. But then they developed a vendetta against him because of the drama and now many engage in revisionist history claiming that he wasn't good.
Drury & Gallant have a type in players and they love the guys who are more than the sum of their parts, who lack the tools but play an honest game or whatever platitude you want to use. Kravtsov came in as a flashy, confident Russian kid who wasn't intimidated by the organization and stood up for himself when he felt he was mistreated and exercised a mutually agreed upon clause in his contract when they thought he wouldn't. I think Drury has had a vendetta against him ever since.
Canucks: A rebuild of Russian winger Vitali Kravtsov could pay dividends
A good renovation can turn an average house into a stunning home. A good reconstruction of a National Hockey League player can turn struggles and self-doubt into confidence and consistent production.theprovince.com
good article on Kravtsov, didn't know he played Centre before and was successful at it.
The modus operandi of management to really give these players with unfulfilled promise an environment to distinguish themselves has me pretty optimistic about them giving Krav every chance to succeed, which I think he'll really respond to after his time in NY. He'll probably get a chance to play on every line, including Pettersson's, and PP time. I don't really see a lazy, unengaged guy when looking through his history and on his comments since coming here. He wants to be here and he wants to play.
Can Kravstov get sent down in order so he can play in the AHL playoffs? It looks like that's a no but that would have been nice for him to get extra games after Canucks are out.
Kravstov clearly has upside but, after watching his little press conference, I don't get the feeling he's the sharpest knife in the drawer. It's always hard to tell with people whose first language isn't English but I was disappointed by his (non-)answers to several questions. In contrast, Kuzmenko and (going back a season) Podkolzin have given much better interviews even when they clearly weren't as comfortable speaking English. I think the key to getting a player out of Kravstov will be how much help he gets from his fellow countrymen to bridge the communication gap.
Ranger fan who didn’t want to give up on Kravtsov checking in.
I see a lot of comments about filthy mitts and skill. I don’t view Vitali that way. He’s a fluid, effortless skater with a very deceptive release. Not really a dangler.
I went on record saying that I wouldn’t be surprised if he outscored Kakko this year. I was obviously wrong about that, but when Kravtsov got his first cup of coffee in NY he showed a ton of high end potential (despite not scoring much) that our other high end kids just didn’t. He looks like a future top 6 player that needs reps and development. You can see it.
Having Pettersson and the Sedins around to mentor him can be huge. Panarin is not a mentor. Kravtsov needs someone to bring him along. Your team is the perfect place for that to happen.