Player Discussion Vitali Kravtsov - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[F A N]

Worth noting that the KHL is kind of a weird league, and that success tends to translate in a less than linear fashion between the KHL and NHL possibly moreso than any other high-end league. Reid Boucher and Nikolay Goldobin were 1-2 and goals and tied for 2nd in the league for points last season.

I think Sheldon Rempal might currently have more points than Kravtsov.

I wouldn't say it's a weird league. The KHL is closer to the AHL than NHL. Success in the KHL tends to translate very well to the AHL (although not as much vice versa). A star AHL player who isn't slow by AHL standards will likely do well at the KHL level. It probably has a lot to do with time and space and defense. A lot of star AHL players can't translate their games to the NHL because of time and space and defense.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I'm cheering for Kravtsov, as I do for any player with a remote chance to contribute somehow to the organization. The big downer for me is not how he played when he was here and not his KHL production, but the mere fact that he left.

The AHL team is just down the street. If he really wanted that NHL career and really believed in himself, he would have taken the trip to Abby with the goal of showing the organization that he was a big-leaguer by the middle of the current season. He didn't. He doesn't believe. I'd be shocked if he comes back.

It reminds me very, very vaguely of when Jonathan Dahlen chose to stay in the Allsvenskan another season rather than moving up the SHL. Sure, it showed loyalty to his club, but in the moment it felt like I knew ... yeah, this guy isn't going to make it.

Depends on what sort of salary they were offering him in the AHL methinks. And he spent a year in the AHL already. It really depends on what sort of money he is getting. Certainly he is more likely to want to play in Russia where he is at home if there is no financial benefit of playing in the AHL.

give him a decent 2 way contract next year with an out clause in it allowing him to go home. Say $1.2M / $500K. He's not an UFA until 2027 (I Think) and I don't think he has to clear waivers next year. I can understand him not want to play in the minors on an ELC. Have no idea what his AHL salary was when he was here.

Edit - just a note, when he got sent to the minors in NY he was getting $70/yr . I can see why he left for Russia when they tried to assign him the next time around. Its a flaw in the system. Sadly, North American players don't have this option.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Koltsov, Shirokov, and Kravtsov are going to bolster the team for our playoff run.

Nikita Tryamkin?

 

[Lindgren]

Depends on what sort of salary they were offering him in the AHL methinks. And he spent a year in the AHL already. It really depends on what sort of money he is getting. Certainly he is more likely to want to play in Russia where he is at home if there is no financial benefit of playing in the AHL.

give him a decent 2 way contract next year with an out clause in it allowing him to go home. Say $1.2M / $500K. He's not an UFA until 2027 (I Think) and I don't think he has to clear waivers next year. I can understand him not want to play in the minors on an ELC. Have no idea what his AHL salary was when he was here.

Edit - just a note, when he got sent to the minors in NY he was getting $70/yr . I can see why he left for Russia when they tried to assign him the next time around. Its a flaw in the system. Sadly, North American players don't have this option.

I get the money issue. If that's what he prioritized, again, I think that tells us he's gone. He wouldn't bet on himself to make his AHL stay a short one.

 

[MS]

That linemate is leading the entire league in scoring.

That's not really taking anything away from Kravstov at all, Shabanov is playing like Martin St Louis right now

Well, yes. That's the point. Shabanov is doing the sorts of things that will earn you an NHL contract as a skill player from the KHL. Kravtsov is not.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I get the money issue. If that's what he prioritized, again, I think that tells us he's gone. He wouldn't bet on himself to make his AHL stay a short one.

Have no idea what he makes in the KHL, but a decent AHL salary might entice him to give it another shot. He can try a year where he accepts time in Abby to try and get to a NHL salary. I doubt he makes much more than NHL minimum. From what I could find out a few years ago, most of the teams have a total payroll in the KHL of about 20% of the NHL.

edit - so it's likely that salaries average out at about 20% of NHL on average, but but lesser players probably make a higher percentage of a teams salary. A reasonable take is that someone like Kravtsov makes about 40% of an NHL salary, or about $400K/yr. I am, of course, pulling these numbers out of my ass. If someone has real knowledge, please illuminate me.

Edit 2 - Okay so I found this - KHL Ultimate Guide- The Wildest League In The World - which sort of confirms what I posted above. Their cap is 10% of the NHL cap right now, but lots of reason to believe you can probably double that for the better off teams, since it is a soft cap.

Edit 3 - By the way that article is a worthwhile read for anyone who wants to know more about what the KHL is like. Not sure when it was written, but the exchange rate is only down a little from what is indicated here. Of note, their minimum salary cap is about $3M US. The Max is around $10M, but I gather no checks to see if someone is getting paid under the table.

 

[Lindgren]

Have no idea what he makes in the KHL, but a decent AHL salary might entice him to give it another shot. He can try a year where he accepts time in Abby to try and get to a NHL salary. I doubt he makes much more than NHL minimum. From what I could find out a few years ago, most of the teams have a total payroll in the KHL of about 20% of the NHL.

I hope he rocks the rest of the season in the KHL, comes back and rocks the AHL, and is playing terrifically in the Canucks top 6 by November 2026.

I'm also hoping to hear back from The New Yorker about that story I submitted in '89.

 

[Quinning]

f*** Reid Boucher.

 

[VanJack]

Have no idea what he makes in the KHL, but a decent AHL salary might entice him to give it another shot. He can try a year where he accepts time in Abby to try and get to a NHL salary. I doubt he makes much more than NHL minimum. From what I could find out a few years ago, most of the teams have a total payroll in the KHL of about 20% of the NHL.

edit - so it's likely that salaries average out at about 20% of NHL on average, but but lesser players probably make a higher percentage of a teams salary. A reasonable take is that someone like Kravtsov makes about 40% of an NHL salary, or about $400K/yr. I am, of course, pulling these numbers out of my ass. If someone has real knowledge, please illuminate me.

Edit 2 - Okay so I found this - KHL Ultimate Guide- The Wildest League In The World - which sort of confirms what I posted above. Their cap is 10% of the NHL cap right now, but lots of reason to believe you can probably double that for the better off teams, since it is a soft cap.

Edit 3 - By the way that article is a worthwhile read for anyone who wants to know more about what the KHL is like. Not sure when it was written, but the exchange rate is only down a little from what is indicated here. Of note, their minimum salary cap is about $3M US. The Max is around $10M, but I gather no checks to see if someone is getting paid under the table.

The biggest challenge for NHL teams competing with the KHL talent for veteran players isn't player salaries. It's the limitation of entry-level contracts.

Newly drafted players into the NHL can earn $725,000 to $825,000, but only if they stick in the NHL. If they end up in the minors, the salary plummets to the $60,000 - $75,000.

It's the reason why a lot of Russian players who can't make the NHL in their first year or so, end up going home. They're just 'following the money'.

My impression of Kravstov is that he liked the City of Vancouver and has expressed an interest in returning to the NHL. It's just a question of whether his defensive game could ever pass muster with Tocchet.

 

[Javaman]

The last one shouldn't have got over 1000 posts. Shouldn't have got even half that. But here we are...

Internet Anagram Server has 292 options for "Vitali Kravstov" so if this thread ever gets to post #709, I can make sure there's a third thread about a player who will probably never play for the Canucks ever again.

I stand ready to serve. So does Vital Viva Stork.

 

[ChilliBilly]

The biggest challenge for NHL teams competing with the KHL talent for veteran players isn't player salaries. It's the limitation of entry-level contracts.

Newly drafted players into the NHL can earn $725,000 to $825,000, but only if they stick in the NHL. If they end up in the minors, the salary plummets to the $60,000 - $75,000.

It's the reason why a lot of Russian players who can't make the NHL in their first year or so, end up going home. They're just 'following the money'.

My impression of Kravstov is that he liked the City of Vancouver and has expressed an interest in returning to the NHL. It's just a question of whether his defensive game could ever pass muster with Tocchet.

You realize that my post, along with my previous one, were essentially trying to point out this exact point. And that he may be enticed back if he knows he will make as much in the AHL with the potential of a lot more if he succeeds. Then its a "show me" contract.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Made a pass today that was deflected and they scored but he was robbed of the assist. According to the rules it should’ve been an assist

 

[Zarpan]

Kravtsov is a good KHL player, but there isn't much to suggest he's improved enough to be a top 6 player in the NHL.

 

[Lindgren]

Kravtsov has hit the 30 game mark.

30/8/14/22

He's not coming back. Clearly.

 

[RobertKron]

Kravtsov has hit the 30 game mark.

30/8/14/22

He's not coming back. Clearly.

He's obviously holding back to conserve energy in his finite battery for when he rejoins the Canucks.

 

[Lindgren]

He's obviously holding back to conserve energy in his finite battery for when he rejoins the Canucks.

Such an incorrigible, starry-eyed optimist.

 

[RobertKron]

Such an incorrigible, starry-eyed optimist.

I am clearly being a realist.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Kravtsov has hit the 30 game mark.

30/8/14/22

He's not coming back. Clearly.

2nd on the team in scoring, KHL is significantly lower scoring than the NHL.

 

[credulous]

2nd on the team in scoring, KHL is significantly lower scoring than the NHL.

plus there's all the assists that were stolen from him by scorekeepers conspiring to keep him out of the nhl

 

[Lindgren]

I am clearly being a realist.

Well, if one reads between the lines, maybe.