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OlTimeHockey said:
My dog has his paws over his eyes. WOW this is scary. A "slave" is someone unwillingly forced to perform a labor or function, without compensation.

A person who signs an agreement to perform a function and receive compensation is a slave, too? We're ALL slaves, then.:laugh:

I read your comment and was expecting you to finish it with, "Knibb High Football Rules!!"
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Haha what a joke. Slavery? He's comparing contract law to slavery? Brilliant. When you willingly sign a contract, you're legally bound to fulfill that contract. Not to mention, get paid MILLIONS of dollars to do so. Yes, I recall Frederick Douglass being knee deep in hundred dollar bills back in his slaving days.
The Visnovsky apologists are so far off base it's scary. Maybe contracts and agreements mean nothing in Europe. It's just big cluster-f and you can bail whenever you miss mommy and want to go home.
 
IslesNorway said:
If my employer told me they'd pay me 6 million dollars a year but I would'nt be allowed to quit, do you think I'd consider myself a slave?
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Don't know about you, but I would. "Not allowed to quit" sounds like a good definition of modern-day slavery and employee abuse.
 
Faterson said:
Nice example of nationalism, doublechili. One person lets you down -- throw the entire nation, or better yet half the continent under the bus. The Cold War ain't over yet, right? By the way, have you checked the national composition of players in the KHL? You might be surprised.
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Are the slaves in the KHL under contract? Poor serfs.
 
10 Min Misconduct posted the link and tweet, in the NHL News thread.
I've a simple question: if Medvedev does not consider NHL contracts valid under the new cba, why bother coming over to try to buyout Kovalchuk's contract?




https://twitter.com/IgorEronko/status/290452707649671170
#KHL head Alex Medvedev says he'll be in NA in February to discuss with #Devils Ilya Kovalchuk's contract buyout to have him back in Russia
 
isles31 said:
Haha what a joke. Slavery? He's comparing contract law to slavery? Brilliant. When you willingly sign a contract, you're legally bound to fulfill that contract. Not to mention, get paid MILLIONS of dollars to do so. Yes, I recall Frederick Douglass being knee deep in hundred dollar bills back in his slaving days.
The Visnovsky apologists are so far off base it's scary. Maybe contracts and agreements mean nothing in Europe. It's just big cluster-f and you can bail whenever you miss mommy and want to go home.
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Harriet Tubman: 68GP 12G 18A 30Pts 112PIM
Frederick Douglass: 82GP 4G 32A 36Pts 23PIM
Nat Turner: 79GP 34G 54A 88Pts 48PIM
Abrim Gannibal: 0GP 0G 0A 0Pts 0PIM (contractual holdout, played 1763 Moscow)
Spartacus: 82GP 51G 78A 129Pts 236PIM

That was a great lineup.:sarcasm:
 
Faterson said:
Don't know about you, but I would. "Not allowed to quit" sounds like a good definition of modern-day slavery and employee abuse.
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I appreciate your position and wish your team well in the playoff race. Sincerely. But you are so off in this debate it's comical. He SIGNED a contract, didn't just say he'd play or promise to play for the Islanders.

No one forced him to sign at gunpoint. "Not allowed to quit..." please look up the word contract. He needs to finish his NHL career as a professional under a mutual agreement and then he can do whatever he wants. End of story.
 
CREW99AW said:
10 Min Misconduct posted the link and tweet, in the NHL News thread.
I've a simple question: if Medvedev does not consider NHL contracts valid under the new cba, why bother coming over to try to buyout Kovalchuk's contract?




https://twitter.com/IgorEronko/status/290452707649671170
#KHL head Alex Medvedev says he'll be in NA in February to discuss with #Devils Ilya Kovalchuk's contract buyout to have him back in Russia
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This could actually be a good sign that they do plan on keeping the agreement with the NHL about honoring contracts. If they werent going to then your point would be right in that it makes no sense to buyout a contract if they are not going to recognize it as valid.
 
NyIsles19 said:
This could actually be a good sign that they do plan on keeping the agreement with the NHL about honoring contracts. If they werent going to then your point would be right in that it makes no sense to buyout a contract if they are not going to recognize it as valid.
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I agree. It does sound promising.

Maybe instead of a long drawn out process, the KHL immediately tells Vis he can not play in the KHL until his NHL contract ends.
 
Faterson said:
Hello! Slovan Bratislava and ViÅ¡ňovský do not play in the Slovak league, but in the world's second-best league, the KHL. You can't pretend not to know that. I'd find it difficult to defend ViÅ¡ňovský if Slovan was still playing in the provincial Slovak league. And sorry -- the Swiss league is just as provincial as the Slovak league, although the quality of play may be higher there. (Although I also hear you have some dilapidated arenas over there.) Whatever bad you might wish to say about the KHL, one thing is certain: it's not provincial or small-time in any way, but laid out on an even grander scale than the NHL in some respects.


Ah, there you have it! I hear (although it may be prejudice) that the Swiss are not very welcoming towards foreigners. Also, it's supposed to be very expensive in your country, which certainly deters potential tourists.
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The NLA is a small but fine league with lots of international success in recent years. And I don't think you can call a league with the highest average in audience outside the NHL provincial. At least we have teams in the NLA that are self-supporting.

Switzerland is very friendly towards foreigners. We give lots of your fellow countrymen jobs they don't find at home. :sarcasm:

We will see what Visnovsky does, he still has a few hours left to report if I'm not mistaken. But I think some sort of action should happen if he doesn't report. If he wants to stay in the KHL forever, fine, but not without consequences. If the KHL and the NHL don't get along it's time for the IIHF to step in IMO.
 
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Faterson said:
Don't know about you, but I would. "Not allowed to quit" sounds like a good definition of modern-day slavery and employee abuse.
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He can do whatever he wants, but play professional hockey. I don't think you know a damn thing about slavery.

I wonder what slaves would have done had they been offered the deal that they could quit, so long as they promised not to pick cotton for 2 years....

Derpity-derp,

Dan-o
 
Under this CBA can the Islanders allow other NHL teams to contact Viz or his agent to see if a trade was worked out with the Isles would he be willing to play for another team?

Example-

Thrashers,Whalers, and Nordiques all contact Vis to see if he would be willing to play for one of them. He chooses one of them. That team then works out a trade with the Isles.

I know Vis said its nothing against the Isles and we actually would be a better team with him, but at this point I think it would just be better to part ways....
 
If he shows, then great. If he plays the way he can, he can definitely help the Isles.

If he doesn't show, then so be it. As long as he's not allowed to play in the KHL, I don't care what he does.
 
StrongIslanders90 said:
Under this CBA can the Islanders allow other NHL teams to contact Viz or his agent to see if a trade was worked out with the Isles would he be willing to play for another team?

Example-

Thrashers,Whalers, and Nordiques all contact Vis to see if he would be willing to play for one of them. He chooses one of them. That team then works out a trade with the Isles.

I know Vis said its nothing against the Isles and we actually would be a better team
with him, but at this point I think it would just be better to part ways....
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I think it's a mistake to have Vis and his agent get involved in a potential trade.

Isles biggest need is a solid, top 4 d-man.Imo the Isles don't need more picks/prospects. Although their glut of young forwards are pretty inexperienced, they are promising. I doubt Snow wants a blueline rookie in that role.

Let's say Vis' agent and the Detroit Redwings reach an agreement, but Detroit doesn't have the solid, top 4 d-man that Snow wants, they have picks or prospects to offer. Aren't we just muddying the waters, by bringing in a team Vis would prefer to play for, but one who doesn't have the trade chips Snow needs?
 
OlTimeHockey said:
OMFG....a free man in breach of contract. Let him go....don't enforce contracts ever again. Free Willy. Burn Baby Burn. Give Peace a chance. Koombayaa. No contracts, players should just play where they want. I'm moving into your master bedroom Thursday. (though due to new property laws, it's my bedroom):laugh:
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There is definitely a cultural influence to this conversation that many have not touched on. In many Eastern European countries laws are very few and rarely upheld in an actual legal fashion. They involve corruption, buyouts, sometimes even quick judgements like immediate jailing with no due process. So, it's quite logical that some of the Slovakian natives on here are ignoring the legal implications because to them ideas like contracts and laws are not as important as they are in North America.

For the Slovaks, America has the highest jailed population in the world (almost twice as much as second place Russia) because it is a country of laws. There are actually implications to breaking laws here, it's not just random. So you need to understand that this absolutely is a breach of contract and a breach of character and will always be perceived that way in countries that have laws and believe in honoring your promises (ie a contract). You will not win that argument ever!
 
Faterson said:
According to the KHL, nothing relevant for ViÅ¡ňovský's situation has been signed. We're exploiting legal loopholes, right? That's how hockey business is conducted in the NHL, right?


Wow! So you are, in fact, supporting the concept of "slavery". :amazed: In my understanding, signing a contract does not mean one is giving up freedom. Freedom is essential.


By all means, suspend ViÅ¡ňovský from the NHL. (He seems no longer interested in it, anyway.) But don't interfere with the KHL.
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Holy ****. You just won the Internet. Congrats.
 
It's the Islanders, or sit out the rest of the season.

No KHL, nothing...

Then we start to look at next year- Viz owes the Islanders a year's worth of service. Either now, or later, like Nabokov.

The Viz fans know this, they are just getting their shots in while the gettin's good...
 
leaponover said:
There is definitely a cultural influence to this conversation that many have not touched on. In many Eastern European countries laws are very few and rarely upheld in an actual legal fashion. They involve corruption, buyouts, sometimes even quick judgements like immediate jailing with no due process. So, it's quite logical that some of the Slovakian natives on here are ignoring the legal implications because to them ideas like contracts and laws are not as important as they are in North America.

For the Slovaks, America has the highest jailed population in the world (almost twice as much as second place Russia) because it is a country of laws. There are actually implications to breaking laws here, it's not just random. So you need to understand that this absolutely is a breach of contract and a breach of character and will always be perceived that way in countries that have laws and believe in honoring your promises (ie a contract). You will not win that argument ever!
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You sir either didn't pay enough atention in school or watched too much bad movies.

Please for the rest of you guys, don't judge the whole country based on Faterson. :) That's just ignorant.
 
Doshell Propivo said:
USA! USA! USA!

:yo:

Go get an education, read a few books, do some traveling and then you can discuss Eastern European "culture" with the adults.
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So you think I am a rockstar for the US? Just because I stated a fact? I don't even live in the US, i'm currently living abroad in Southeast Asia...is that enough travelling for you? Many eastern Europeans AGREE with what I just said so maybe you are the one with a little too much pride to admit to shortfalls. That's common....

I have friends all over, this isn't guessing...
 
Faterson...Can you go away? We get it, Vis doesn't want to come over here for 3 months because it would break his heart. I dated a girl in college that went and studied abroad in Europe for 4 months. She handled it like a big girl, but I guess Vis doesn't have the same toughness.....(as a 20-yr old girl). Just leave us alone with our sad hockey team and stop trying to argue because youre wrong.
 
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