Vince has given up on Tyler Breeze / has heat backstage

[Virtanen18]

Enough with the Vince hate. It's all gonna be fine.

Right, cause its been just lovely lately. The product is awesome.

 

[Serac]

Relax.

So one guy who screams career mid-career has his push temporarily squashed. Big whoop.

Plenty of other NXT call ups look great. Rollins, Ambrose, Reigns, Owens, Sasha, Charlotte, Becky, Wyatts...

Vince isn't gonna love em all...and I think he's right about Breeze. Not much to work with.

Enough with the Vince hate. It's all gonna be fine.

And I think he's wrong about Breeze
But hey, opinions
H wanted him protected for a reason, and obviously sees stuff in Breeze as well

 

[TribalPhoenix]

Relax.

So one guy who screams career mid-career has his push temporarily squashed. Big whoop.

Plenty of other NXT call ups look great. Rollins, Ambrose, Reigns, Owens, Sasha, Charlotte, Becky, Wyatts...

Vince isn't gonna love em all...and I think he's right about Breeze. Not much to work with.

Enough with the Vince hate. It's all gonna be fine.

Call my crazy, but I think with decent booking, Breeze could have evolved into a top tier heel. Not immediately, but his uber narcissistic attitude with wanton aggression could have produced a guy that fans could love to hate. He has the talent, and mic skills.

I put it squarely on Vince. He's killing the company he built.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

wwe management probably was not high on him to begin with and this just gave them a reason to cut his legs out

 

[AfroThunder396]

I don't like the notion that this gimmick has a glass ceiling on it. Miz and Ziggler both had great runs in the upper/mid card as cocky, narcissistic, pretty boy heels in recent memory. He definitely could have a Kofi/Ziggler/Shelton Benjamin kind of career juggling mid card and tag titles while showing up for spots in the Rumble/MitB.

Sure he might not get the WWEWHC, but honestly, that's a pretty exclusive club to get into. Your gimmick doesn't even matter at that point, you're either drawing or you're not. Daniel Bryan could come out in a pink tutu every week pretending to be a ballerina princess and he'd still be over.

The fact that even guys like Ambrose and Cesaro have been passed over for main event pushes in the past shows me that creative has an extremely specific idea of what they want their champion to be like. Breeze was never going to be in that conversation regardless of his gimmick.

 

[BGDDYKWL]

Vince is also a moron. Breeze has all the tools. Literally all of them.

Guy is a poor man's Ziggler who was barely a midcarder. I wouldn't exactly say he's the total package. He's doing a gimmick that's failed far more times than it's succeeded, he's not tremendously athletic, and he's small. I actually would've been shocked if he went anywhere.

 

[The Lunatic Fridge]

I don't like the notion that this gimmick has a glass ceiling on it. Miz and Ziggler both had great runs in the upper/mid card as cocky, narcissistic, pretty boy heels in recent memory. He definitely could have a Kofi/Ziggler/Shelton Benjamin kind of career juggling mid card and tag titles while showing up for spots in the Rumble/MitB.

Sure he might not get the WWEWHC, but honestly, that's a pretty exclusive club to get into. Your gimmick doesn't even matter at that point, you're either drawing or you're not. Daniel Bryan could come out in a pink tutu every week pretending to be a ballerina princess and he'd still be over.

The fact that even guys like Ambrose and Cesaro have been passed over for main event pushes in the past shows me that creative has an extremely specific idea of what they want their champion to be like. Breeze was never going to be in that conversation regardless of his gimmick.

Neither miz nor ziggler had their good runs as an actual "pretty boy" they were cocky ass heels who thought they were better than everybody else (and also had a bodyguard)

Guys like fandango and breeze are clear joke gimmicks since day 1.

and it's not to say they aren't talented but nobody over the age of like 15 will ever take those gimmicks seriously as world champ material.

It's like imagining sexual chocolate mark henry as world champ.

 

[George Binks]

They didn't even try with him, he made his debut on smackdown with no real announcement

 

[nameless1]

Stick him with Emma and watch the heat boil over.

Kind of sucks because I like breeze.

Seriously...
You should be in Creative.
That is brilliant.

 

[bruins309]

As someone who invests in NXT and cares about what happens to these guys after coming up, this really ticks me off. It's akin to taking a baseball player from AAA who has been playing left field and putting him at catcher. It's funny how they take great pains to make the ramp at NXT the same length and angle as RAW to simulate, yet do NOTHING else the same.

Breeze was never going to be a world champion, but there is no shame in being a solid mid-card hand on the heel side. And don't blame the gimmick because being "vain about looks" has worked for over half a century now.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

Breeze could have been an upper mid card heel. Smh these uggos not believing him.

 

[Dylonus]

Never understood the love for him in the first place. Even in NXT. I never thought he was that special of a wrestler. His gimmick is completely moronic as well. It honestly makes me want to change the channel.

 

[vdB]

Never understood the love for him in the first place. Even in NXT. I never thought he was that special of a wrestler. His gimmick is completely moronic as well. It honestly makes me want to change the channel.

Exactly. Well said Dylonus.

People just look for any excuse to hate on Vince.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Neither miz nor ziggler had their good runs as an actual "pretty boy" they were cocky ass heels who thought they were better than everybody else (and also had a bodyguard)

Guys like fandango and breeze are clear joke gimmicks since day 1.

and it's not to say they aren't talented but nobody over the age of like 15 will ever take those gimmicks seriously as world champ material.

It's like imagining sexual chocolate mark henry as world champ.

Breeze was never going to be World Champion regardless of his gimmick, though. He's not big enough, he doesn't have the right look, he doesn't have a family connection. WWE wants "larger than life" faces who kiss babies and sell merchandise.

If guys as talented as Cesaro, Ambrose, and Wyatt aren't getting the belt I don't get why people would assume Tyler freaking Breeze would even in the conversation?

So I don't understand the problem. Let him be a cocky and arrogant heel that enhances midcard talents, wins some midcard titles every so often, and is good for spot duty in multi-man matches. There's a ton of value in those guys. Not everyone on the roster has to get the title, and not everyone who fails to get the title is worthless.

It's like when your first round draft pick turns into a fine #2 center but people still call him a bust because they wanted 50 goals every year. He was never going to do that, so why are you mad he didn't do the thing no one expected him to do anyway? Just let him do his own thing and get value from that.

 

[Kimi]

Exactly. Well said Dylonus.

People just look for any excuse to hate on Vince.

I'm really disappointed with how they've handled Breeze, and I'm probably the most pro-WWE poster here xD. I'm certainly not someone who is constantly *****ing about Vince.


Breeze could easily have been used as a mid-card heel to put people over. It's a replaceable roll, and you can easily build anyone up to fill it from the jobber pool, but you only get one debut and they've completely wasted it. I don't see what is wrong with taking issue with it.

 

[Paris in Flames]

I don't think ANYBODY here was under the impression Tyler Breeze was a future World Champion. I don't think Tyler Breeze would even think he has that potential. He's got the tools in the ring but his size, etc are issues.

I, and I'm assuming others, are upset because he's not even on TV anymore...nor did they even try to get his character over. At his worst, Tyler Breeze is a perfect midcard heel who could be perfectly built into tag teams, IC title feuds and/or putting on damn good matches.

 

[Ensane]

People are taking the whole "disrespecting the business" thing way too out of context.

The point is that he essentially got a promotion to the main roster and shortly into his stay, he's asking to leave early. Do you just ask your job to leave early? Of course not. Call me crazy but, unless he had some 5 star alarm emergnecy to attend it's just not smart. There's no scenario where it could have ended well for him. Especially when the suits backstage hold grudges for centuries.

I mean, he is an independent contractor and all.

In any case, this doesn't seem super noteworthy. He's still young and seems committed to working hard to make it. If he can shrug this off and keep working his tail off, this will blow over. Yeah, he's misused, but guys overcome being misused and crapped on backstage all the time. Anyone recall Jericho's first calendar year with the company? I think he wound up doing fine.

 

[ILoveStephanieBrown]

I would give you up votes and recs if this were other sites. Well said.

Its not exactly an original comment. Wade Keller and plenty of other internet wrestling know it alls have been saying that exact thing for awhile now.

 

[Virtanen18]

I'm really disappointed with how they've handled Breeze, and I'm probably the most pro-WWE poster here xD. I'm certainly not someone who is constantly *****ing about Vince.


Breeze could easily have been used as a mid-card heel to put people over. It's a replaceable roll, and you can easily build anyone up to fill it from the jobber pool, but you only get one debut and they've completely wasted it. I don't see what is wrong with taking issue with it.

Naw Vince is justified in just burying him to the bottom and giving him nothing to work with because he got permission to leave early.

 

[Mowzie]

Tyler Breeze for Jonathan Drouin?

 

[Mowzie]

Hate to toot my own horn but I think I've been pretty good at predicting which NXT grads would bust. Always thought he was a bit over the top. Ascension? Did anyone seriously think LOD/Demolition with no personality and a horrible look was gonna work?

 

[Kimi]

Anything can work if you talk them up. Given good commentary, and sensible booking, you can get anyone over who's act is half decent. If they can be superstars, that's a different question. But you can definitely have them taken and something more than a joke if you put the tiniest amount of work in.

Having JBL sit there trashing you on commentary will bury you so fast to the casual fan.

 

[Jussi]

Hate to toot my own horn but I think I've been pretty good at predicting which NXT grads would bust. Always thought he was a bit over the top. Ascension? Did anyone seriously think LOD/Demolition with no personality and a horrible look was gonna work?

It could have worked if they had been taller.

 

[GKJ]

I never thought Breeze had a gimmick that could get over either. There wasn't much different than we've seen in the past. The character is pretty over the top.

 

[The Lunatic Fridge]

Hate to toot my own horn but I think I've been pretty good at predicting which NXT grads would bust. Always thought he was a bit over the top. Ascension? Did anyone seriously think LOD/Demolition with no personality and a horrible look was gonna work?

It has nothing to do with him being over the top, really. It's as simple as the fans of NXT are more or less grown adults who understand the work that's put in to make a character for the show along with the actual wrestling. So people got a kick out of him in NXT. But on the main roster, it's all about pleasing the kiddies and no one gives a **** if you're the bruce lee of wrestling.