Value of: Victor Olofsson?

[Fjordy]

2 games is definitely more indicative of his play than 116 games.

When the hell did anyone say to sell him cheap? Do you think a 1st is cheap?

Not two games, last season he also improved when Krueger left. 1st + prospect maybe depends on how he plays before TDL, but I think they are considering keeping him.

 

[TommyDangles]

your obsession with his age is great. A rebuilding team doesn’t have to be just 18-23 years olds…this isn’t a video game

My obsession? Age is a big factor when giving out extensions and determining who should commit long term to. It's why signing Moulson was such a horrible idea. It's why Okposo was such a horrible idea. If he was 22 it would be a different story, but he's not. But we had fans that said, "no bro he scores bro sign him." Then, we're discussing ways to get rid of the contract in 2 years. It's hilarious to watch fans keep cheering for the same mistakes the team has made in the past and wondering why the team is bad.

"A rebuilding team doesn't have to be just 18-23 year olds"

And absolutely nobody said that lmao. I'll repost what I said incase you struggled to understand it.

"Signing a 28/29 year old winger who isn't a star long term isn't a great move."

A ReBuIlDiNg TeAm DoEsN't HaVe To Be JuSt 18-23 YeAr OlDs

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

I don't think we need to worry about whether to trade Olofsson or not until he is due another contract. We have another year or two to observe how he plays and then decide.

 

[elitepete]

Keeping Olofsson would have been a good idea if the Sabres still had Eichel, ROR, Kane, Risto, Reinhart, Ullmark. As it currently stands, they should trade him.

 

[Panthaz89]

Olofsson isn't as bad at 5v5 as people are making him out to be here...its not as if he's awful defensively out there either.

 

[Panthaz89]

My obsession? Age is a big factor when giving out extensions and determining who should commit long term to. It's why signing Moulson was such a horrible idea. It's why Okposo was such a horrible idea. If he was 22 it would be a different story, but he's not. But we had fans that said, "no bro he scores bro sign him." Then, we're discussing ways to get rid of the contract in 2 years. It's hilarious to watch fans keep cheering for the same mistakes the team has made in the past and wondering why the team is bad.

"A rebuilding team doesn't have to be just 18-23 year olds"

And absolutely nobody said that lmao. I'll repost what I said incase you struggled to understand it.

"Signing a 28/29 year old winger who isn't a star long term isn't a great move."

A ReBuIlDiNg TeAm DoEsN't HaVe To Be JuSt 18-23 YeAr OlDs

what the heck are you blabbering about? Just because they signed some other wingers to long term deals doesn't mean they have to sign Olofsson to a big long term deal.

 

[Zach716]

If people call VO a PP specialist like it's a bad thing, remember he's an exceptional PP specialist, best in the league probably. That holds tremendous value in itself. He's going to score a lot on the PP if a significant amount of his ice-time is on the PP.

Special teams is everything in the playoffs. Gets you to the playoffs in general. Kind of an ill-founded statement to say yA bUt He'S a Pp sPeCiAlIsT. Yeah..? So..? Pay him like one then. But we need an operational f** 'n PP too with players that know how to score.

"No one to pass it to him?" So Jack Eichel and Reinhart were the only ones on the team who can make tape to tape passes? This isn't the 2014 Sabres.

*And, yeah, obviously at the feeble age of 28 he'll be of no use. That's Botterillelli logic that gets your franchise center traded for almost nothing.

I would expect a substantial return for him that no one would pay. For about 35-40 reasons a year, it's better to keep him.

You put into words exactly what I feel when I see Olofsson's value on the trade boards. Sabres fans thinking a 2nd + c prospect is fair. Not everyone feels that way, but I notice a lot of people including Sabres fans that frequent these boards don't realize how valuable he is.

I also don't think we should trade him unless someone is offering a Risto type overpayment. I wonder if that other guy in this thread is so high in his convictions because he hasn't followed the team closely the past half decade or maybe he's from the reddit crowd and found his way here lol. You need older guys on the roster, rebuilding or not.

 

[Boxscore]

Why would the Sabres want to trade Olofsson? He might be the only player on the team who can score on a semi-regular basis.

 

[TommyDangles]

what the heck are you blabbering about? Just because they signed some other wingers to long term deals doesn't mean they have to sign Olofsson to a big long term deal.

Signing wingers long term in their late 20s that aren't stars is always a horrible move. Olofsson is bad 5v5 and drastically overrated on the PP. He's not worth an extension and would be wise to trade him at the deadline. Idk how much simpler I can make it. Like it's pretty easy to understand.

 

[TommyDangles]

Why would the Sabres want to trade Olofsson? He might be the only player on the team who can score on a semi-regular basis.

Because he's bad 5v5 and extremely dependent on other players on the PP? People here like to keep saying that he's really good on the PP, but he's not. His PP production was very dependent on Eichel. We found that out last year. Without Eichel he had 1 goal in 33 games on the PP. If they can get a 1st for him you take it and run.

 

[TommyDangles]

You put into words exactly what I feel when I see Olofsson's value on the trade boards. Sabres fans thinking a 2nd + c prospect is fair. Not everyone feels that way, but I notice a lot of people including Sabres fans that frequent these boards don't realize how valuable he is.

I also don't think we should trade him unless someone is offering a Risto type overpayment. I wonder if that other guy in this thread is so high in his convictions because he hasn't followed the team closely the past half decade or maybe he's from the reddit crowd and found his way here lol. You need older guys on the roster, rebuilding or not.

You can get "old" guys for cheap in FA. You don't have to give guys bad contracts for your old guy quota.

He's bad 5v5 and a PP specialist that needs a top 5 center on the PP to be useful. I'm very curious on how "valuable" he really is?

 

[Irie]

It's not a bad thing to be good on the PP, but that's all he's good at. He's horrible 5v5. That's while also having Eichel as your center.

His PP production also dropped significantly when Eichel was out.

This narrative is pretty disingenuous.

Olofsson scored over 60% of his points at even strength the past two seasons. While he is not nearly as effective playing in a looser system that pushes north-south open play vs a controlled possession game plan, he has a place at even strength with the right line.

Eichel is easily one of the top PP players in the league. When he is out, the PP takes a big hit. Olofsson's production on the PP was down when Eichel was out. So was Hall's. So was Reinhart's.

Eichel creates a ton of space for his linemates. If Olofsson could produce the same way he does with Eichel while playing with Sheahan or Staal, he'd be a star himself instead of a good complimentary player.

Your narrative in this thread on Olofsson is a bit all over the map, and I think you are definitely selling him a bit short.

 

[Boxscore]

Because he's bad 5v5 and extremely dependent on other players on the PP? People here like to keep saying that he's really good on the PP, but he's not. His PP production was very dependent on Eichel. We found that out last year. Without Eichel he had 1 goal in 33 games on the PP. If they can get a 1st for him you take it and run.

Are Sabres fans honestly content with just constantly rebuilding? Soon we'll be hearing, "if you can get two 1sts for Dahlin, you do it!!"

The Sabres are loaded with some young talent in the pipeline... Cozens, Power, Quinn, Peterka, Rosen, Luukkonnen, Johnson, etc. They also have Dahlin, Olofsson and a couple other decent pieces on the current roster. They have a trade chip in Eichel that should fetch a few depth pieces/prospects, and they will have high 1st rounders for the foreseeable future. I don't think they should be in a rush to trade a 26 year old sniper who can put up some points -- unless you just want to run Dahlin out of town in the process.

If the Sabres manage to get a respectable deal for Eichel (they'll never get full value), and they are lucky enough to land one of Wright or Bedard... they will be on their way fairly soon.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Signing wingers long term in their late 20s that aren't stars is always a horrible move. Olofsson is bad 5v5 and drastically overrated on the PP. He's not worth an extension and would be wise to trade him at the deadline. Idk how much simpler I can make it. Like it's pretty easy to understand.

Define long term. You’re assuming that once his contract is up, it’ll be for 8 years. But I see no problem with 3-4 years.

 

[TehDoak]

Why would the Sabres want to trade Olofsson? He might be the only player on the team who can score on a semi-regular basis.

It's likely more a deadline move, IMHO. Buffalo has decent left shot winger depth and need ammo to fill pretty much every other position during the offseason. A good team with a struggling power play certainly could use him. If I were Buffalo i'd feed him high ozone starts and PP1 time, get him to a 30-40 goal pace, and flip him at the deadline.

 

[TommyDangles]

This narrative is pretty disingenuous.

Olofsson scored over 60% of his points at even strength the past two seasons. While he is not nearly as effective playing in a looser system that pushes north-south open play vs a controlled possession game plan, he has a place at even strength with the right line.

Eichel is easily one of the top PP players in the league. When he is out, the PP takes a big hit. Olofsson's production on the PP was down when Eichel was out. So was Hall's. So was Reinhart's.

Eichel creates a ton of space for his linemates. If Olofsson could produce the same way he does with Eichel while playing with Sheahan or Staal, he'd be a star himself instead of a good complimentary player.

Your narrative in this thread on Olofsson is a bit all over the map, and I think you are definitely selling him a bit short.

It's not disingenuous. The mental gymnastics in this thread are hilarious.

He's bottom percentile in 5v5 scoring per 60 even when playing with Eichel. He's gotten so many opportunities with great players and hasn't lived up to it.

A PP specialist that scored 1 goal in 33 games w/o Eichel. He needs a ton of spacing and top players to even produce. You don't pay big money for that. Save it for the guys that don't need a top center to produce.

Realistically he's a 3rd line guy that would be on the PP. That's not something you commit long term to.

 

[TommyDangles]

Define long term. You’re assuming that once his contract is up, it’ll be for 8 years. But I see no problem with 3-4 years.

I think he'll get more than that. FA this year was wild with term. Olofsson and his agent know that.

 

[TommyDangles]

Are Sabres fans honestly content with just constantly rebuilding? Soon we'll be hearing, "if you can get two 1sts for Dahlin, you do it!!"

The Sabres are loaded with some young talent in the pipeline... Cozens, Power, Quinn, Peterka, Rosen, Luukkonnen, Johnson, etc. They also have Dahlin, Olofsson and a couple other decent pieces on the current roster. They have a trade chip in Eichel that should fetch a few depth pieces/prospects, and they will have high 1st rounders for the foreseeable future. I don't think they should be in a rush to trade a 26 year old sniper who can put up some points -- unless you just want to run Dahlin out of town in the process.

If the Sabres manage to get a respectable deal for Eichel (they'll never get full value), and they are lucky enough to land one of Wright or Bedard... they will be on their way fairly soon.

What a horrible argument. Huge part of the Sabres being bad is bloating the cap with players not worth their contracts. Matt Moulson, Kyle Okposo, Jeff Skinner, Rasmus Ristolainen, and the list goes on. There is nothing showing he's worth keeping around long term at a decent raise. Smart GM would trade him for a 1st. Dumb GM would sign him long term.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I think he'll get more than that. FA this year was wild with term. Olofsson and his agent know that.

And what non-core player got long term?

 

[TommyDangles]

And what non-core player got long term?

Off the top of my head Goodrow, Coleman, Cizkikas, Faska, Oleskiak etc...

Some team would offer him 5-6 years in FA.

 

[Djp]

Off the top of my head Goodrow, Coleman, Cizkikas, Faska, Oleskiak etc...

Some team would offer him 5-6 years in FA.

he has 1 RFA yr.

I have no problem resigning him for 4-5 yrsat $5.3M or so based on how he does this year.

Buffalo can’t trade Eichel and Olofsson fior pure futures. They need to get to the floor the next 2 yrs.

 

[TommyDangles]

he has 1 RFA yr.

I have no problem resigning him for 4-5 yrsat $5.3M or so based on how he does this year.

Buffalo can’t trade Eichel and Olofsson fior pure futures. They need to get to the floor the next 2 yrs.

Oof. That wouldn't look good.

Much rather trade him than sign him to a 4-5 year 5.3M. He's done nothing that shows he's worth a 20M-25M contract.

Eichel isn't going to be traded for "pure" futures. Adams already said he's willing to take a contract back.

Hitting cap floor isn't something you ever have to worry about. Can always just take a cap dump back for some picks if you need to.

 

[Djp]

Oof. That wouldn't look good.

Much rather trade him than sign him to a 4-5 year 5.3M. He's done nothing that shows he's worth a 20M-25M contract.

Eichel isn't going to be traded for "pure" futures. Adams already said he's willing to take a contract back.

Hitting cap floor isn't something you ever have to worry about. Can always just take a cap dump back for some picks if you need to.

if he’s mid 50s pts he gets that much.

like I said it depends on how he does. His PP production was about the same each year. ES went down without Eichel. If he develops chemistry with other players he should do fine.

im not taking cap dumps or signing garbage.

saying he can’t be part of this team is garbage.