Value of: Victor Olofsson?

[TommyDangles]

Or if they do go to arbitration, then he's a UFA next deadline and they sell somewhat higher then. There is plenty of time.

You always sell high. If he's playing good around deadline time ship him out to the highest bidder.

You are risking the possiblity of Olofsson's play dropping next year diminishing the return.

 

[TommyDangles]

No, I'm comparing the "he won't be at his peak when they are competitive" bullshit commentary that seems to be driving your argument.

"Signing a 28/29 year old winger who isn't a star long term is a great move."

ROR is a star. He's the type of guy you try to lock up.

Moulson, Okposo, Skinner, Olofsson are not. Fans keep drinking that Kool aid though.

 

[TommyDangles]

Sabres competing in 2 years? Damn

That would be amazing, but you're right. Probably will be 3/4 years. Three would be pushing it too. Olofsson would be 30 by then.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Baffling how many people are eager to trade away a good young player for a handful of air with a dream inside it

But it's new and might be really shiny.

Trading a 2003 Mercedes for a brand new 2022 Trabant is very enticing.

 

[Djp]

He's 26. He'll be 28/29 by the time the team should ideally be competing. You would need to give him a contract into his 30s in order to keep him around. That would be a classic Sabres thing to do. Especially for a guy that isn't good 5v5.

Smart move would be trading him at the deadline to a playoff team in need of PP help. I could see him fetching a 1st from a contender.

a deadline deal would be a 1st+ a very good prospect.

I’d rather sign him to a 4 yr contract at around $5.5M if he’s a 25+ g scorer and 50+ points.

buffalo will need to get to the floor next year and the year after until they have resigning to happen.

 

[Weltschmerz]

He's 26. He'll be 28/29 by the time the team should ideally be competing. You would need to give him a contract into his 30s in order to keep him around. That would be a classic Sabres thing to do. Especially for a guy that isn't good 5v5.

Smart move would be trading him at the deadline to a playoff team in need of PP help. I could see him fetching a 1st from a contender.

Wait you think the sabres are competing in 2 or 3 years? for what?

 

[TommyDangles]

Wait you think the sabres are competing in 2 or 3 years? for what?

What does ideally mean to you

 

[JoeSakic13]

Baffling how many people are eager to trade away a good young player for a handful of air with a dream inside it

Who the heck approved of there being a dream in there?!

 

[Djp]

Wait you think the sabres are competing in 2 or 3 years? for what?

yes. Team in 2 yrs that are under team control assuming signed generallyU25

G. U PL ( goali fir Finland WJC a couple years ago) , Portillo ( Michigan starter), Levi ( Canada WJC goalie)

LD Power, Samuelson, Bryson, Johnson
RD Dahlin, Jokiharju, Lasksonen

C. Mittlestadt, Cozens, Pekar
LW Peterka, Rosen, Asplund, bjork
RW Quinn, Ruoatsalainen, Thompson

there are other prospects

22 and 23 drafts they should have 3 1sts and 3 2nds

Eichel trade return.
Olofsson is kept or cone with return of a 1st+

If they coukd solidify a RD slot and a top 2 C with experience and draft a future center with a 1st in top half of first round they should be in very good shape

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

More of a PP specialist, good shot.. not really noticeable 5 on 5 . But w/ Buffalo he's better then what they have.
Probably have to be an over payment to get him as Buffalo really doesn't have depth or anybody better that can play ahead of him.

He's 26 , RFA status upcoming still.

Probably would need a player and not a draft pick.

I don't see the return that great, and I'd rather just keep him.

No, I'm comparing the "he won't be at his peak when they are competitive" bullshit commentary that seems to be driving your argument.

By gawd, a 28 year old on a team trying to compete???

He's 26. He'll be 28/29 by the time the team should ideally be competing. You would need to give him a contract into his 30s in order to keep him around. That would be a classic Sabres thing to do. Especially for a guy that isn't good 5v5.

Smart move would be trading him at the deadline to a playoff team in need of PP help. I could see him fetching a 1st from a contender.

If people call VO a PP specialist like it's a bad thing, remember he's an exceptional PP specialist, best in the league probably. That holds tremendous value in itself. He's going to score a lot on the PP if a significant amount of his ice-time is on the PP.

Special teams is everything in the playoffs. Gets you to the playoffs in general. Kind of an ill-founded statement to say yA bUt He'S a Pp sPeCiAlIsT. Yeah..? So..? Pay him like one then. But we need an operational f** 'n PP too with players that know how to score.

"No one to pass it to him?" So Jack Eichel and Reinhart were the only ones on the team who can make tape to tape passes? This isn't the 2014 Sabres.

*And, yeah, obviously at the feeble age of 28 he'll be of no use. That's Botterillelli logic that gets your franchise center traded for almost nothing.

I would expect a substantial return for him that no one would pay. For about 35-40 reasons a year, it's better to keep him.

 

[TommyDangles]

If people call VO a PP specialist like it's a bad thing, remember he's an exceptional PP specialist, best in the league probably. That holds tremendous value in itself. He's going to score a lot on the PP if a significant amount of his ice-time is on the PP.

Special teams is everything in the playoffs. Gets you to the playoffs in general. Kind of an ill-founded statement to say yA bUt He'S a Pp sPeCiAlIsT. Yeah..? So..? Pay him like one then. But we need an operational f** 'n PP too with players that know how to score.

"No one to pass it to him?" So Jack Eichel and Reinhart were the only ones on the team who can make tape to tape passes? This isn't the 2014 Sabres.

*And, yeah, obviously at the feeble age of 28 he'll be of no use. That's Botterillelli logic that gets your franchise center traded for almost nothing.

I would expect a substantial return for him that no one would pay. For about 35-40 reasons a year, it's better to keep him.

It's not a bad thing to be good on the PP, but that's all he's good at. He's horrible 5v5. That's while also having Eichel as your center.

His PP production also dropped significantly when Eichel was out.

"Botterill logic that gets your franchise center traded for almost nothing" - If you can't tell the difference between a franchise center and a one trick pony then idk what to say. You shouldn't sign guys in their late 20s long term if they aren't franchise players. The team has made this mistake time and time again. Signing Moulson, Okposo, and Skinner to ridiculous deals that fans cheered on just to complain incessantly about the contracts in a few years. Stop making the mistake.

A "substantial return no one will pay" lmao? Since when did Olofsson become Eichel?

"For about 35-40 reasons a year" He's never scored more than 20 lmao.

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

It's not a bad thing to be good on the PP, but that's all he's good at. He's horrible 5v5. That's while also having Eichel as your center.

His PP production also dropped significantly when Eichel was out.

"Botterill logic that gets your franchise center traded for almost nothing" - If you can't tell the difference between a franchise center and a one trick pony then idk what to say. You shouldn't sign guys in their late 20s long term if they aren't franchise players. The team has made this mistake time and time again. Signing Moulson, Okposo, and Skinner to ridiculous deals that fans cheered on just to complain incessantly about the contracts in a few years. Stop making the mistake.

A "substantial return no one will pay" lmao? Since when did Olofsson become Eichel?

"For about 35-40 reasons a year" He's never scored more than 20 lmao.

No need to "lmao" me, it was a short season and players get better? He was tearing it up last couple seasons and almost won the calder if not for being injured. He's just cracked the NHL. I didn't mean to have a harsh tone if that's how it came across but it's a really, really bad idea to trade someone like him. In the same way you shouldn't undervalue defensive players, you shouldn't undervalue a goal scorer/PP role player. He can still make plays. Skinner, Moulson, and Okposo can't and never were proficient at it. Vo's passing is good. Not quite elite, but well above average. It's not like he'd be guaranteed to be a corpse at 30. He's also a late developer.

& What I meant, to clarify, is that he is worth far more to the organization than for value a GM would likely offer. (There will always be exceptions.)

So it's better to just keep your young elite talent? And before you say he's not elite, have you ever seen him shoot a puck live? I think you're under this assumption that once he's 28 he's done. I'll be 28 soon and I keep improving at hockey the more I play. (I've been playing since 12). Players age differently. I feel more calm and calculated in my play.. Stickhandling hasn't really slowed down.. If anything my shot is better from so much more muscle in my wrist from the test of time. Vision is better, IQ is better, I'm just as fast after losing weight. More of a goal scorer now. (I know... I'm not an NHL player, just giving examples)

It's not an automatic assumption to make to think he's done after 28. I'm not saying he's worth 6 mil. I'm not saying throw superstar money at him. Just that the org. needs him more than any other GM likely would pay. So it'd require an overpayment. I could be wrong so no hurt feelings intended. I just think it's an atrociously bad move. He scores so much on the PP because he's always out on it. If he wasn't on the PP he'd have more even strength goals, that's pretty much a certainty.

We can't undervalue role players. That includes PP. Every player serves a function. And you make it seem like his stats are a certainty go up playing with Eichel. There's a thing called chemistry. We haven't seen enough of him to give him away. But hope you have a great day bud, get outside, get some air, tell ya folks I say hi.

*And don't feel like you got ganged up on, us Sabres fans are just sick of handing away young elite players on RFA's like candy on Halloween.

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Not a single reason for Buffalo to do it. He’ll likely pot 30 plus goals this year.

 

[TommyDangles]

No need to "lmao" me, it was a short season and players get better? He was tearing it up last couple seasons and almost won the calder if not for being injured. He's just cracked the NHL. I didn't mean to have a harsh tone if that's how it came across but it's a really, really bad idea to trade someone like him. In the same way you shouldn't undervalue defensive players, you shouldn't undervalue a goal scorer/PP role player. He can still make plays. Skinner, Moulson, and Okposo can't and never were proficient at it. Vo's passing is good. Not quite elite, but well above average. It's not like he'd be guaranteed to be a corpse at 30. He's also a late developer.

& What I meant, to clarify, is that he is worth far more to the organization than for value a GM would likely offer. (There will always be exceptions.)

So it's better to just keep your young elite talent? And before you say he's not elite, have you ever seen him shoot a puck live? I think you're under this assumption that once he's 28 he's done. I'll be 28 soon and I keep improving at hockey the more I play. (I've been playing since 12). Players age differently. I feel more calm and calculated in my play.. Stickhandling hasn't really slowed down.. If anything my shot is better from so much more muscle in my wrist from the test of time. Vision is better, IQ is better, I'm just as fast after losing weight. More of a goal scorer now. (I know... I'm not an NHL player, just giving examples)

It's not an automatic assumption to make to think he's done after 28. I'm not saying he's worth 6 mil. I'm not saying throw superstar money at him. Just that the org. needs him more than any other GM likely would pay. So it'd require an overpayment. I could be wrong so no hurt feelings intended. I just think it's an atrociously bad move. He scores so much on the PP because he's always out on it. If he wasn't on the PP he'd have more even strength goals, that's pretty much a certainty.

We can't undervalue role players. That includes PP. Every player serves a function. And you make it seem like his stats are a certainty go up playing with Eichel. There's a thing called chemistry. We haven't seen enough of him to give him away. But hope you have a great day bud, get outside, get some air, tell ya folks I say hi.

*And don't feel like you got ganged up on, us Sabres fans are just sick of handing away young elite players on RFA's like candy on Halloween.

He's about to turn 27. He's in his prime right now. His best season was only on pace for 30 goals in a full season (who knows if he would've kept that up) while playing on a top 10 center's line. Skinner was extremely good at 5v5 scoring (which Olofsson isn't). That's much more valuable than a PP specialist.

Victor Olofsson isn't a young elite player so you don't have to worry. Eichel is elite. Olofsson isn't remotely close. Just because he's got a good shot doesn't mean he's elite. Outside of the PP he's pretty much useless. He also needs a top center on the PP to produce well.

Nobody said he's going to be "done" after 28. That's just when players start declining. Players don't get better into their 30s. If a player does it's extremely rare. The NHL is trending more and more to a young players game. It's all about speed. Guys start losing a step once they hit 30. That's why you shouldn't sign guys that aren't franchise players long term near that age. That's why Moulson, Okposo, and Skinner were such bad ideas. You shouldn't pay top dollar for those guys. If Olofsson wants to take a cheap home discount deal for only 3M-4M that's fine, but I'm guessing he wont. He would get 6M wtih term on the open market and he knows that. That would be a bad deal for the Sabres to sign him to a 6x6 deal. Let's not continue the mistakes of past GMs shall we.

 

[Drake1588]

You always sell high. If he's playing good around deadline time ship him out to the highest bidder.

You are risking the possiblity of Olofsson's play dropping next year diminishing the return.

No, you don't. Oh sure, people like to talk in the abstract about shipping someone out at peak value, but in practice when a player is contributing high value, teams keep the hell out of those guys. What everyone does in practice is wait, squeeze as much value out of an asset as they can and then they dump those players at the last minute to recoup something for a rapidly depreciating asset.

This version of asset management that you are describing doesn't match the reality. It isn't actually practiced in the NHL. Contributing 26-year-old players who aren't about to be unrestricted stick around. He's not the greatest thing since sliced bread, exactly, but he's better than a pick right now and the Sabres will probably keep him around as long as he's a contributor.

 

[TommyDangles]

No, you don't. Oh sure, people like to talk in the abstract about shipping someone out at peak value, but in practice when a player is contributing high value, teams keep the hell out of those guys. What everyone does in practice is wait, squeeze as much value out of an asset as they can and then they dump those players at the last minute to recoup something for a rapidly depreciating asset.

This version of asset management that you are describing doesn't match the reality. It isn't actually practiced in the NHL. Contributing 26-year-old players who aren't about to be unrestricted stick around. He's not the greatest thing since sliced bread, exactly, but he's better than a pick right now and the Sabres will probably keep him around as long as he's a contributor.

Yea you most definitely should. When you're rebuilding and a player who isn't part of your future is playing well, trade them when their value is high. Don't get fooled. Sabres have made that mistake too many times. Could've had Filip Forsberg for Drew Stafford, but decided to keep him because he played well for a stretch.

Most important thing right now for the Sabres is gathering assets. This is a rebuilding team. If a team offers you a 1st for Olofsson you take that and run.

 

[Drake1588]

Yea you most definitely should. When you're rebuilding and a player who isn't part of your future is playing well, trade them when their value is high. Don't get fooled. Sabres have made that mistake too many times. Could've had Filip Forsberg for Drew Stafford, but decided to keep him because he played well for a stretch.

Most important thing right now for the Sabres is gathering assets. This is a rebuilding team. If a team offers you a 1st for Olofsson you take that and run.

Maybe you should, but the evidence suggests that at the end of the day, teams don't make those moves that early. Overwhlemingly so.

What they will very probably do instead is re-visit his situation as he gets closer to UFA status. This player is only just alright, and his numbers aren't particularly frightening for Buffalo given his RFA status with arbitration rights this summer. If he indicates a preference to go to arbitration, I think they'll be OK with that. If he somehow puts up a monster year on that team this season, then sure. That would change the calculus and they might decide to trade him prior to arbitration. That's a big if, though.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Yea you most definitely should. When you're rebuilding and a player who isn't part of your future is playing well, trade them when their value is high. Don't get fooled. Sabres have made that mistake too many times. Could've had Filip Forsberg for Drew Stafford, but decided to keep him because he played well for a stretch.

Most important thing right now for the Sabres is gathering assets. This is a rebuilding team. If a team offers you a 1st for Olofsson you take that and run.

Why wouldn't VO be part of our future? Are we trying to be a pile of shit on fire for another decade?

 

[TommyDangles]

Why wouldn't VO be part of our future? Are we trying to be a pile of shit on fire for another decade?

He's a soon to be 27 year old who struggles 5v5. Overrated as a PP specialist too. If he we can get a good return for him you move VO ASAP. Don't get the infatuation with a one dimensional player by fans on here. Not really surprising with how many fans were infatuated with keeping Risto around too.

 

[Fjordy]

He's a soon to be 27 year old who struggles 5v5. Overrated as a PP specialist too. If he we can get a good return for him you move VO ASAP. Don't get the infatuation with a one dimensional player by fans on here. Not really surprising with how many fans were infatuated with keeping Risto around too.

He looks good 5v5, this statement is outdated. It makes no sense to sell him cheap, but Adams will certainly consider options in TDL.

 

[tsujimoto74]

He's a soon to be 27 year old who struggles 5v5. Overrated as a PP specialist too. If he we can get a good return for him you move VO ASAP. Don't get the infatuation with a one dimensional player by fans on here. Not really surprising with how many fans were infatuated with keeping Risto around too.

People reading way too much into his 5-v-5 metrics when the majority of his young NHL career was played under certified killer of offensive talent Ralph Krueger. VO can play. He's still improving. Oh, and he can score 30G.

We tried scorched earth. You know what that gets you? Scorched earth. Starting a rebuild with some pieces that actually belong on a winning team already on your roster is the way.

 

[TommyDangles]

People reading way too much into his 5-v-5 metrics when the majority of his young NHL career was played under certified killer of offensive talent Ralph Krueger. VO can play. He's still improving. Oh, and he can score 30G.

We tried scorched earth. You know what that gets you? Scorched earth. Starting a rebuild with some pieces that actually belong on a winning team already on your roster is the way.

People reading too much into a top 6 forward being horrible 5v5? Are people reading too much into everyone playing better away from him 5v5? That's a pretty huge issue lmao. This is while also having the luxury of playing with Eichel & Reinhart. VO's value as a player isn't worth the money he will get.

When has Olofsson scored 30 goals?

Somehow trading a RFA with arbitration that is one dimensional for a 1st is going "scorched earth". Talk about exaggeration.

 

[TommyDangles]

He looks good 5v5, this statement is outdated. It makes no sense to sell him cheap, but Adams will certainly consider options in TDL.

2 games is definitely more indicative of his play than 116 games.

When the hell did anyone say to sell him cheap? Do you think a 1st is cheap?

 

[Dirty Dog]

He's a soon to be 27 year old who struggles 5v5. Overrated as a PP specialist too. If he we can get a good return for him you move VO ASAP. Don't get the infatuation with a one dimensional player by fans on here. Not really surprising with how many fans were infatuated with keeping Risto around too.

your obsession with his age is great. A rebuilding team doesn’t have to be just 18-23 years olds…this isn’t a video game

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Vultures.