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Prospect Info: Victor Mancini (159th overall 2022 by NYR)

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Slapshot_11 said:
What's the plan with this guy??
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All star break in the AHL, he’s getting reps with the team and working with Gonchar and Foote to see what they have or how they can help him improve. Probably the best coaching staff in the league for a young dman to be around.
 
Been waiting a surprisingly long time for him to make his debut for us. He'll have some rust after that week or two break
 
racerjoe said:
Short clip but I don’t fault him on that one, there is two of his teammates behind him, one who blows coverage in front of the net.
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He just stands there for a second after than skates back to the front and eventually loses the puck battle with the player who puts it in the back of the net. D-Petey doing his best Edler snow angel there. Lol.

Just not a very good sequence from anyone there. A good D makes the right play at first and you don't have that chaos after.
 
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ManVanFan said:
He just stands there for a second after than skates back to the front and eventually loses the puck battle with the player who puts it in the back of the net. D-Petey doing his best Edler snow angel there. Lol.

Just not a very good sequence from anyone there. A good D makes the right play at first and you don't have that chaos after.
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I agree there are a lot of mistakes in the sequence, and he likely should have absorbed the penetration (no Sopel...). In the right setup, with the right teammates, being aggressive and making the hit would not have been a mistake. Just bad coverage in transition from everyone including Sasson, who let one attacker go in behind Mancini just before Mancini went for the hit. And then chaos ensues and they never get it back until control before the goal. With time, maybe Mancini recognizes that Sasson is going to let the attacker go and Sasson pressures the puck instead, meaning Mancini doesn't step up. But early on, I love that Mancini was being aggressive ("skating forward to defend")- he will get to know the systems and his teammates and make better decisions moving forward. The question will become, will those decisions make him good enough, over time, to become a meaningful NLHer.
 
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He doesn't give up a classic Juulsen 2-on-1 with no forwards back. He is left admiring the play and should be hustling to get in front of the net. Scramble play, lots of blame to share, but he should be back in front.
 
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bobbyb2009 said:
I agree there are a lot of mistakes in the sequence, and he likely should have absorbed the penetration (no Sopel...). In the right setup, with the right teammates, being aggressive and making the hit would not have been a mistake. Just bad coverage in transition from everyone including Sasson, who let one attacker go in behind Mancini just before Mancini went for the hit. And then chaos ensues and they never get it back until control before the goal. With time, maybe Mancini recognizes that Sasson is going to let the attacker go and Sasson pressures the puck instead, meaning Mancini doesn't step up. But early on, I love that Mancini was being aggressive ("skating forward to defend")- he will get to know the systems and his teammates and make better decisions moving forward. The question will become, will those decisions make him good enough, over time, to become a meaningful NLHer.
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Zadorov and Risto from the Flyers I've heard both mention before that some coaches have helped them learn to look for the right times to hit and not just look for the hit. I'm not a D guru but I think if he's going to step up for that hit, it had to be sooner so it's a dump in play. Everybody loves a D that throws hits but there's time and place for them.
 
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racerjoe said:
Short clip but I don’t fault him on that one, there is two of his teammates behind him, one who blows coverage in front of the net.
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Think Mancini did fine in the sequence, he separates his man from the puck and he was right to try to switch to the man coming down the right. initially. The problem is #88 (Aman?) who loses the puck then proceeds to stare at the play throughout, Mancini tries to block the shot coming from the right because he's the closest defender but Aman ends up in his way instead of covering the man now in front of the net. So Mancini switches back to his original man but he doesn't have inside position anymore, which is why he loses the battle for the rebound.
 
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Hansen said:
Paterson or someone posted the roster sheet for the game and that's how I learned his name is actually Vittorio Mancini

Vito sounds way cooler than Victor IMO he should go with that

Also looks like a physical beast, hopefully he has a toolbox to go with it. 5 pts in 14 games for the Rangers in his first pro time is nothing to scoff at, despite being 2 years older he outpaced other guys from his draft class like Denton Mateychuk, Owen Pickering, Lian Bichsel, and Maveric Lamoureaux in similar time
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Vito is a great name. Maveric is a wtf name.
StreetHawk said:
If all goes well, then the right side goes Hronek, Wallinder, Mancini. Of the 60 minutes on the RHD, you would subtract about 3 minutes a game since only Hughes play PP1 on D, so if Mancini can play 14/15 minutes, then Wallinder at 18/19 minutes, would leave Hronek at 23-25 minutes most games. Hopefully, then for Wallinder, those minutes go up over time and he can get into the low 20's.
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Wallinder is a prospect in the Detroit system.
 
racerjoe said:
Short clip but I don’t fault him on that one, there is two of his teammates behind him, one who blows coverage in front of the net.
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Ya. Even more, at the time the hit is completed there are 3 canucks in the defensive zone between the top of the circle to the goal (i.e. behind Mancini). 1 of those 3 goes to try to recover the puck along the boards and fails to do so. A second guy at that time is actively blowing the zone. He doesn't "rush" back because there is a guy in front of him that should be the one defending the goal scorer in that situation. All in all they had plenty of bodies for a D-man to safely make that hit.
 
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beachcomber said:
I think we have seen enough here to make a judgement on him.
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Mancini comes pretty much as advertised.....he's a strapping physical d-man who skates pretty well for a guy his size (listed at 6'3" and 229 on Hockey DB). And he can deliver some punishment along the wall, and the fact he's a right-shot defender makes him more valuable.

But in the early going, the jury's still out on his hockey sense. Can he process the game at NHL speed? He did play 15 games with the Rangers this season, and had a goal and four assists. Of course New York was riddled with injuries on the back-end, so he probably got a longer look than he might have otherwise.

Best that can probably be said is that he's a 'project'. But if he isn't an improvement on Juulsen and the departed Vincent Desharnais on the right side, then Canuck scouts will be pretty disappointed.
 
For such a big guy--6'3" and 230--he really is an impressive skater. And given free will to roam out there, he spent as much time along the end wall in the offensive zone as he did in the d-zone. But he has that effortless stride to get back into the play.

Have to give the Canucks pro scouts some props here. Obviously they were following this kid in the Ranger system for awhile.

It's easy to get a carried away with a young d-man after only one good game--but be brings lot to the toolbox, size and skating, which you can't teach. And with Foote and Gonchar in Vancouver to work with him--he's probably arrived at the right place at the right time.
 
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Knight53 said:
Best game so far. 6’3 230 and is a plus skater. The tools are drool worthy. Hopefully some of D-Peteys physicality rubs off on him. Could have two behemoths out there.
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Said it in the GDT but his play reminded me a bit of Bieksa tonight, just need to see more of that nastiness and physicality.
 
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