Player Discussion Victor Arvidsson

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

This guy has got a lot of hate to start the year, but I think we've got a real player here. The next month or two we will start to see what he brings to the table. He will be a valuable top 6 piece for us in the playoffs.

(if he stays healthy of course. He's a bean poll who gets smoked every game)

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[AM]

This guy has got a lot of hate to start the year, but I think we've got a real player here. The next month or two we will start to see what he brings to the table. He will be a valuable top 6 piece for us in the playoffs.

(if he stays healthy of course. He's a bean poll who gets smoked every game)

His game is known and he’s played it all year. So far so good. These players on the third and fourth line. This is what depth looks like.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

His game is known and he’s played it all year. So far so good. These players on the third and fourth line. This is what depth looks like.

What?

 

[AM]

What?

This is a four scoring lines team. That is how it’s built. Ideally you add a superstar to any of the pairings and you’re good to go.

 

[Soundwave]

This is a four scoring lines team. That is how it’s built. Ideally you add a superstar to any of the pairings and you’re good to go.

It's not really four scoring lines, often times we don't even have 2 scoring lines.

We need to let Skinner and Arvidsson play more with McDavid to get them going as it's not going to happen on any other line.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

It's not really four scoring lines, often times we don't even have 2 scoring lines.

We need to let Skinner and Arvidsson play more with McDavid to get them going as it's not going to happen on any other line.

Most teams load up their top talent. Recent championship teams have had these guys playing together: Kuch Point, Mackinnon Rantanen

I strongly believe we are a better team when Mcdavid plays with Drai.(they won us the most recent games) When they are split our offence is pretty dry.

The problem is we don't really have the depth to play the top line together.

 

[AM]

It's not really four scoring lines, often times we don't even have 2 scoring lines.

We need to let Skinner and Arvidsson play more with McDavid to get them going as it's not going to happen on any other line.

May as well give up on ever winning anything with such a focus.

 

[Soundwave]

May as well give up on ever winning anything with such a focus.

Hard disagree. This isn't about stats.

This is about games in May and June.

The last two teams who beat us (Vegas and Florida) did so in large part because their goaltending was able to hold our offense in check long enough to win 4 games. We had scoring outbursts in the Vegas and Florida series sure, but also bad dry spells especially after Hill came in and Bob was outstanding in their 4 wins.

You can't just win playoff rounds against the really, really elite teams just by McDraiHyman-ing your way to wins. Other people have to score more in those tougher games.

Getting Arvidsson and Skinner going now is important, I don't give a shit about the regular season, it's about getting them feeling good about their game and a part of the offense well before the playoffs start because we need their scoring.

If it takes playing them with McDavid for stretches to get them going, then do it. The big picture matters more than "dur hur, the regular season vibe is good right now!", I don't care about the regular season vibe. We will need all hands on deck when it comes to potentially playing a team like Vegas or Florida or Colorado or Winnipeg in a 7 game series.

 

[AM]

Hard disagree. This isn't about stats.

This is about games in May and June.

The last two teams who beat us (Vegas and Florida) did so in large part because their goaltending was able to hold our offense in check long enough to win 4 games. We had scoring outbursts in the Vegas and Florida series sure, but also bad dry spells especially after Hill came in and Bob was outstanding in their 4 wins.

You can't just win playoff rounds against the really, really elite teams just by McDraiHyman-ing your way to wins. Other people have to score more in those tougher games.

Getting Arvidsson and Skinner going now is important, I don't give a shit about the regular season, it's about getting them feeling good about their game and a part of the offense well before the playoffs start because we need their scoring.

If it takes playing them with McDavid for stretches to get them going, then do it. The big picture matters more than "dur hur, the regular season vibe is good right now!", I don't care about the regular season vibe. We will need all hands on deck when it comes to potentially playing a team like Vegas or Florida or Colorado or Winnipeg in a 7 game series.

They way to stop them from holding us in check is to win enough now to not have to push at the end of the regular season. And to have four lines they have to worry about. This includes the line and duals who can be upgraded with a super star.

The coach is honing such right now.

They need to be able to stand on their own. And the whipping boy is making strides towards that.

 

[Soundwave]

They way to stop them from holding us in check is to win enough now to not have to push at the end of the regular season. And to have four lines they have to worry about. This includes the line and duals who can be upgraded with a super star.

The coach is honing such right now.

They need to be able to stand on their own. And the whipping boy is making strides towards that.

We don't even have 2 reliable scoring lines right now, lol, Santa bringing three entire scoring lines?

We see case in point, Arvidsson immediately produces with McDavid. He should stay there on that line now for 3-4 games at minimum and see if that gets him going. If it does, then Skinner should also get the same treatment. And then even Podkolzin after that.

It's ok to admit the coaching staff isn't perfect, they can be good on the defensive end and not so good at offensive adjustments, it happens to plenty of coaches, matter of fact most defensively strong coaches tend not to be great offensively.

 

[Roof Daddy]

Most teams load up their top talent. Recent championship teams have had these guys playing together: Kuch Point, Mackinnon Rantanen

I strongly believe we are a better team when Mcdavid plays with Drai.(they won us the most recent games) When they are split our offence is pretty dry.

The problem is we don't really have the depth to play the top line together.

I think we have the depth once Kane is back.

I’d have no hesitation rolling out some combo of:

Draisaitl-McDavid-Hyman/Arvidsson
Kane-Nuge-Hyman/Arvidsson

Then for bottom 6 I’d keep the Janmark-Rico-Brown line together. Then some hodgepodge of Podkolzin/Ryan*(prefer RHC upgrade at deadline)/Skinner/Perry/Kapanen.

That’s a good problem to have if you’re scratching 2 of those guys due to depth.

In a perfect world we move Skinner (tough with NMC but maybe to TOR, as that was his 2nd choice).

 

[OilerTyler]

I hope they don't demote Arvi back into the bottom six on Saturday when Nuge is back in the lineup.

Give him a chance to gain some momentum after a strong game.

 

[Stoneman89]

His game is known and he’s played it all year. So far so good. These players on the third and fourth line. This is what depth looks like.

Except we signed 2 of those guys on the 3rd and 4th lines to play top 6, and gave them equivalent money. Not a whole lot of production at this point, but we'll see.

We don't even have 2 reliable scoring lines right now, lol, Santa bringing three entire scoring lines?

We see case in point, Arvidsson immediately produces with McDavid. He should stay there on that line now for 3-4 games at minimum and see if that gets him going. If it does, then Skinner should also get the same treatment. And then even Podkolzin after that.

It's ok to admit the coaching staff isn't perfect, they can be good on the defensive end and not so good at offensive adjustments, it happens to plenty of coaches, matter of fact most defensively strong coaches tend not to be great offensively.

If that's true, then you bring aboard a strong offensively minded coach. Considering our PP has been historically good the past few years, I'd say we have a good mix.

 

[Soundwave]

Except we signed 2 of those guys on the 3rd and 4th lines to play top 6, and gave them equivalent money. Not a whole lot of production at this point, but we'll see.


If that's true, then you bring aboard a strong offensively minded coach. Considering our PP has been historically good the past few years, I'd say we have a good mix.

Knob just needs to stop being a stubborn ass with his lineup combos for one.

Seeing Arvidsson immediately produce with McDavid after Knob had his "play RNH with McDavid always!" toy taken away from him and was forced to try something else hopefully is a good wake up call to Knob.

 

[tiger_80]

This guy has got a lot of hate to start the year, but I think we've got a real player here. The next month or two we will start to see what he brings to the table. He will be a valuable top 6 piece for us in the playoffs.

(if he stays healthy of course. He's a bean poll who gets smoked every game)

If he can stay healthy, he should be a valuable player. Hopefully, Kane comes back for the playoffs. I like the forward group. McDavid, Draisaitl, Hyman, RNH, Arvidsson, Kane, Henrique, Brown, Podkolzin. Quite possibly the best top 9 in the league.

 

[Thomas Tatar]

I hope they don't demote Arvi back into the bottom six on Saturday when Nuge is back in the lineup.

Give him a chance to gain some momentum after a strong game.

Agreed, Nuge would be better served in a more defensive role. I like the RV-McD-Hyman line.

Maybe try Skinner with Drai and Podz

Nuge with Henrique and Kap

Perry - Janmark - Brown?

I really think Skinner needs top six time. He is wasted otherwise.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Agreed, Nuge would be better served in a more defensive role. I like the RV-McD-Hyman line.

Maybe try Skinner with Drai and Podz

Nuge with Henrique and Kap

Perry - Janmark - Brown?

I really think Skinner needs top six time. He is wasted otherwise.

Skinner in the top 6 just guarantees that top 6 line gets outscored. Skinner is our worst defensive player against 4th liners, he would get obliterated against skilled players.
Skinner is a wasted roster spot.

 

[Stoneman89]

Knob just needs to stop being a stubborn ass with his lineup combos for one.

Seeing Arvidsson immediately produce with McDavid after Knob had his "play RNH with McDavid always!" toy taken away from him and was forced to try something else hopefully is a good wake up call to Knob.

You're the only one on here that thinks he's stubborn. It's a long season - relax and enjoy the ride.

 

[Soundwave]

You're the only one on here that thinks he's stubborn. It's a long season - relax and enjoy the ride.

Offensively he is.

He's made very few adjustments to the PP which is still sitting middle of the pack, that needs to change too.

In the top 6, he hasn't given either Arvidsson or Skinner a proper look with McDavid and we're almost at the half way point on the season.

The moment he was basically forced to move RNH off the top line because RNH couldn't go, Arvidsson immediately has a goal and an assist playing there. That's due to chance, not because of his coaching.

That's stubborn coaching if it takes almost half a season to try that combination, especially when RNH has had long stretches of poor play.

Like make a freaking adjustment dude.

He's a good/great defensive coach (either that or Coffey is), but offensively like a lot of defensive minded coaches, he's probably not the brightest bulb in the pack and it's OK to admit that.

 

[guymez]

Skinner in the top 6 just guarantees that top 6 line gets outscored. Skinner is our worst defensive player against 4th liners, he would get obliterated against skilled players.
Skinner is a wasted roster spot.

At this point in the season I tend to agree with you.
I just dont see much in his game at all and the fect that he is limited to 5x5 minutes doesnt work in his favor.
If he isnt scoring he is essentially useless. He just doesnt bring much to the table at all.
Once Kane comes back Skinner shoudl sit IMO.

Ultimately (if its possible) I would like to see him traded long before TDL so that the team can properly utilize that 3M in cap space.
Very confusing signing and it males me question the level of due diligence this team does before signing players.
Would Holloway have garnered more interest for the Oilers to match if Skinners 3M wasnt on the books.
You would have to think that the answer is yes.

 

[AM]

Power play is over 30% in the current run. You saw the pp without rnh, what was your impression?

 

[Duke74]

Offensively he is.

He's made very few adjustments to the PP which is still sitting middle of the pack, that needs to change too.

In the top 6, he hasn't given either Arvidsson or Skinner a proper look with McDavid and we're almost at the half way point on the season.

The moment he was basically forced to move RNH off the top line because RNH couldn't go, Arvidsson immediately has a goal and an assist playing there. That's due to chance, not because of his coaching.

That's stubborn coaching if it takes almost half a season to try that combination, especially when RNH has had long stretches of poor play.

Like make a freaking adjustment dude.

He's a good/great defensive coach (either that or Coffey is), but offensively like a lot of defensive minded coaches, he's probably not the brightest bulb in the pack and it's OK to admit that.

I tend to agree that Knob seems very stubborn in his insistence on certain line combinations, especially RNH-McDavid-Hyman. Why not move Arvidsson or Skinner into the RNH spot and RNH down to the second line when he returns? The second line seems to have hit a skid, which, considering the quality of wingers, isn't entirely surprising.

 

[Fourier]

Offensively he is.

He's made very few adjustments to the PP which is still sitting middle of the pack, that needs to change too.

In the top 6, he hasn't given either Arvidsson or Skinner a proper look with McDavid and we're almost at the half way point on the season.

The moment he was basically forced to move RNH off the top line because RNH couldn't go, Arvidsson immediately has a goal and an assist playing there. That's due to chance, not because of his coaching.

That's stubborn coaching if it takes almost half a season to try that combination, especially when RNH has had long stretches of poor play.

Like make a freaking adjustment dude.

He's a good/great defensive coach (either that or Coffey is), but offensively like a lot of defensive minded coaches, he's probably not the brightest bulb in the pack and it's OK to admit that.

Over the last 12 games the pp is at 32.3%. That was second in the league over the same period. Arvidsson has played most of the season with Draisaitl. His own individual numbers have not been great but the line did very well.

 

[McDoused]

I would imagine Knoblauch keeps Arvidsson together with McDavid. Their numbers together are just insane, albeit a small sample size. He's okay with Draisaitl but honestly he's not really that much better than guys like Kapanen or even Skinner when they played with hirm.

Podkolzin and Draisaitl have had great chemistry and so does Hyman and McDavid. I would think those are the two duos in the top 6 with the rico line staying together.

With kapanen/Podkolzin elevated it basically creates another second line with one of Nuge/Arvidsson and Evander Kane when he gets back.

Nuge hasn't been good with either McDavid or Draisaitl. I'd move him down and create a new 3rd line with the rico line pushed down further.

Arvidsson-McDavid-Hyman
Podkolzin-Draisaitl-Kapanen
Nuge-xxxx-Kane
Janmark-Henrique-Brown
Perry

I wonder if Savoie sees time in the NHL this year. IMO we need 3 thinks at the forward group.

1. Add a 3C center
2. Upgrade on Kapanen
3 . Add physical depth forward

You have to think they move on from Skinner to clear up 3M. They will likely target ufas because they won't be able to afford the cap next year.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

I would imagine Knoblauch keeps Arvidsson together with McDavid. Their numbers together are just insane, albeit a small sample size. He's okay with Draisaitl but honestly he's not really that much better than guys like Kapanen or even Skinner when they played with hirm.

Podkolzin and Draisaitl have had great chemistry and so does Hyman and McDavid. I would think those are the two duos in the top 6 with the rico line staying together.

With kapanen/Podkolzin elevated it basically creates another second line with one of Nuge/Arvidsson and Evander Kane when he gets back.

Nuge hasn't been good with either McDavid or Draisaitl. I'd move him down and create a new 3rd line with the rico line pushed down further.

Arvidsson-McDavid-Hyman
Podkolzin-Draisaitl-Kapanen
Nuge-xxxx-Kane
Janmark-Henrique-Brown
Perry

I wonder if Savoie sees time in the NHL this year. IMO we need 3 thinks at the forward group.

1. Add a 3C center
2. Upgrade on Kapanen
3 . Add physical depth forward

You have to think they move on from Skinner to clear up 3M. They will likely target ufas because they won't be able to afford the cap next year.

How does Philp look on faceoffs? Like to have an option that covers off the one thing Ryan does really well. If he progresses heading into playoffs I think we are ok at centre. A very physical forward who can skate would be a great add. It would be nice if Kane is as good a free roster ad as he was in 2022.