Waived: [VGK] Golden Knights claim F Raphael Lavoie off waivers from the Oilers | Back to Waivers

[belair]

He was already waived again, so Colorado's roster has nothing to do with that.

If Edmonton claims him back and no other team put a claim, I think Oilers can sent him to AHL without waivers.

What I mean is that Colorado could claim. I'm not sure about their cap situation though, but Lavoie would be an upgrade on a couple of guys on that roster.

 

[Kahvi]

What I mean is that Colorado could claim. I'm not sure about their cap situation though, but Lavoie would be an upgrade on a couple of guys on that roster.

Ah sorry, just woke up and I mixed Colorado and Vegas, somehow thought Colorado was the one who originally claimed him

 

[Jumptheshark]

okay my hand goes up..

For those who were here yesterday--a couple of oiler posters suggested Vegas would put him BACK on waivers and they were called delusional(in posts that have some how vanished)--I said only a few oiler posters thought that and the most thought Vegas would keep--turns out the delusional posters knew what they were talking about

Will be interesting if the oilers reclaim him

 

[Rubi]

He was already waived again, so Colorado's roster has nothing to do with that.

If Edmonton claims him back and no other team put a claim, I think Oilers can sent him to AHL without waivers.

Not exactly sure how this works since Vegas claimed him off of Edmonton but wouldn't all 30 teams (not counting Vegas and Edmonton) have to pass on him before Edmonton can claim him and immediately send him to the AHL? And if nobody claims him and Edmonton doesn't either he goes to the Vegas AHL team..

okay my hand goes up..

For those who were here yesterday--a couple of oiler posters suggested Vegas would put him BACK on waivers and they were called delusional(in posts that have some how vanished)--I said only a few oiler posters thought that and the most thought Vegas would keep--turns out the delusional posters knew what they were talking about

Will be interesting if the oilers reclaim him

 

[MessierII]

Not exactly sure how this works since Vegas claimed him off of Edmonton but wouldn't all 30 teams (not counting Vegas and Edmonton) have to pass on him before Edmonton can claim him and immediately send him to the AHL? And if nobody claims him and Edmonton doesn't either he goes to the Vegas AHL team..

Edmonton gets first dibs on him and can send him straight to the minors if they claim him. Only exception is if someone else puts in a claim then the oilers still get him but can’t send him down without him clearing waivers again.

 

[Petes2424]

That's a lot of word salad just to fluff up VGK management, so just to correct things Wright was not signed as a reaction to Lavoie it had everything to do to the exact amount to maximize our LTIR capspace when Evander Kane gets put on LTIR (and we did just that today) along with sending down Savoie and Wright to maximize our caproom.

Also Bowman already hit the radio and said Lavoie was in our plans and sounds very much like we have every intention of claiming him right back.

Not sure why people get all defensive, thinking something like this, somehow makes their team look bad, etc. It doesn’t. They’re just a victim of circumstance and that’s exactly what Vegas was looking for. Just as they pulled on Florida last year, and they’ll try on Calgary coming up here.

To pretend this isn’t exactly what Vegas is trying to do, is just being naive. They have a history of doing it. lol.

Of course it’s what they’re trying to do. They need to add younger players who can end up NHL players pretty soon. They’ve had to sign too many fringe prospects because they don’t have NHL trending, unsigned players. Which is a reason btw, Edmonton could also reclaim him, being in their own similar situation.

As soon as Calgary’s roster settles down, they’ll put Schwindt on waivers, trying to get him to Henderson as well.

To also pretend that Wright was always getting a contract, is just as naive. 25 is generally the cap on “AVAILABILE” forward contracts. Teams with more, either have a ton of early ELC kids within 2 years age (teams aren’t calling up), kids playing in Europe on ELCs, or “returned to junior” ELC kids.

They are at 25 contracts again with Wright. 26 reclaiming Lavoie, and who’s in Europe or the CHL? You need 2-3 guys you can call up during the season who WILL clear waivers. Players who likely won’t do anything but sit and collect NHL money on a long road trip, etc. Problem is, sometimes these same players are needed as AHL Veterans in their AHL lineup.

Lavoie was going to be one of those players this year IF he cleared waivers. A guy they could call up and down, not worrying about a claim.

So if you’re Vegas looking at it, it’s a prime situation to try this against a team. Then Edmonton signs a 25th contract right away? Lol

They couldn’t put Lavoie back on waivers quick enough, trying to get him into their system.

So absolutely, there’s every reason for Vegas to believe it was a reactionary signing. Even if it wasn’t, doesn’t change what Vegas is trying to do here.

The question tomorrow morning will be, will they put in a reclaim and go over the 25 contract level. If they do, they’ll now have a player in the AHL (Wright) who will likely never be recalled now. Which is a waste of a contract. Yet it’s Vegas who did this to them, so they may reclaim him (out of spite) just to stop Vegas from having him play in Henderson. Which I would 100% do btw. Especially knowing it’s exactly what Vegas is doing.

It’s funny how those disagreeing with me, aren’t offering up another logical reason why Vegas would put him back on waivers immediately, and conveniently fail to address they did the same exact thing last year with Denisenko. The couple of ridiculous reasons, aren’t mistakes a team like Vegas makes. It’s a mistake some moron playing a video game makes. The Knights want Lavoie in the AHL, and him clearing waivers would also give them some extra time to evaluate him in both situations. If Edmonton reclaims him, nothing lost but some time and pocket change.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Of all the young players Edmonton has given up on I can't recall a single one that has pissed a drop on another team. Not like the days of losing Miroslov Satan and

1. Ethan Bear
2. Yamamoto
4. Lagesson
5. PUljujarvi
6. Caleb Jones

Jury is out on.
1. Reid Schaffer - Young, still lots of deliberation
2. Kesselring - I hear he's done quite will for himself in Arizona so maybe him?
3. Holloway - I'm really interested to see how he does with a much weaker forward depth team. Unique circumstance though.
4. Broberg - Another player I'm interested to see for obvious reasons. Unique circumstance though.
5. Bourgault - I'd be surprised if he amounts to anything in the NHL.

This list is more of a shot at Edmonton's piss poor drafting and development. They've sucked balls at it for the last 20 years.
We produce shit.. you should stay away from our young players haha.

Didn’t Taylor hall win an MVP after being traded away?

 

[Soundwave]

Didn’t Taylor hall win an MVP after being traded away?

Well they didn't "give him away", that was a legitimate trade for a top pairing defender (Adam Larsson) who was a top 4 pick himself.

To be honest if you gave me the choice today of having either Hall or Larsson on my team, I'd take Larsson. Hall had that one monster season but the rest of his career has been a bit of a wishy washy tale of hurt or under performing.

Guys like Bear and Yamamoto though are guys who have washed out of the Oilers system.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Not sure why people get all defensive, thinking something like this, somehow makes their team look bad, etc. It doesn’t. They’re just a victim of circumstance and that’s exactly what Vegas was looking for. Just as they pulled on Florida last year, and they’ll try on Calgary coming up here.

To pretend this isn’t exactly what Vegas is trying to do, is just being naive. They have a history of doing it. lol.

Of course it’s what they’re trying to do. They need to add younger players who can end up NHL players pretty soon. They’ve had to sign too many fringe prospects because they don’t have NHL trending, unsigned players. Which is a reason btw, Edmonton could also reclaim him, being in their own similar situation.

As soon as Calgary’s roster settles down, they’ll put Schwindt on waivers, trying to get him to Henderson as well.

To also pretend that Wright was always getting a contract, is just as naive. 25 is generally the cap on “AVAILABILE” forward contracts. Teams with more, either have a ton of early ELC kids within 2 years age (teams aren’t calling up), kids playing in Europe on ELCs, or “returned to junior” ELC kids.

They are at 25 contracts again with Wright. 26 reclaiming Lavoie, and who’s in Europe or the CHL? You need 2-3 guys you can call up during the season who WILL clear waivers. Players who likely won’t do anything but sit and collect NHL money on a long road trip, etc. Problem is, sometimes these same players are needed as AHL Veterans in their AHL lineup.

Lavoie was going to be one of those players this year IF he cleared waivers. A guy they could call up and down, not worrying about a claim.

So if you’re Vegas looking at it, it’s a prime situation to try this against a team. Then Edmonton signs a 25th contract right away? Lol

They couldn’t put Lavoie back on waivers quick enough, trying to get him into their system.

So absolutely, there’s every reason for Vegas to believe it was a reactionary signing. Even if it wasn’t, doesn’t change what Vegas is trying to do here.

The question tomorrow morning will be, will they put in a reclaim and go over the 25 contract level. If they do, they’ll now have a player in the AHL (Wright) who will likely never be recalled now. Which is a waste of a contract. Yet it’s Vegas who did this to them, so they may reclaim him (out of spite) just to stop Vegas from having him play in Henderson. Which I would 100% do btw. Especially knowing it’s exactly what Vegas is doing.

It’s funny how those disagreeing with me, aren’t offering up another logical reason why Vegas would put him back on waivers immediately, and conveniently fail to address they did the same exact thing last year with Denisenko. The couple of ridiculous reasons, aren’t mistakes a team like Vegas makes. It’s a mistake some moron playing a video game makes. The Knights want Lavoie in the AHL, and him clearing waivers would also give them some extra time to evaluate him in both situations. If Edmonton reclaims him, nothing lost but some time and pocket change.

This isn't me being defensive about it making my team look bad, it's entirely about you not knowing what you are talking about.

Bottom line is Cameron Wright is a 26 year old hockey player who just battled his way out of the ECHL and gained a touch of traction in the AHL last year, there is no one in their right mind who sees him as Lavoie replacement in the near term and he does not have the leverage or the track record to justify a $952K cap-hit. To coincidentally sign Wright to that contract and to call up Savoie who we already sent down in a clear paper transaction and the combination of those 2 very specific moves put us exactly $53 below the line to maxout the spending of E. Kane's LTIR cap-hit (while also putting us in position to accrue cap space till we do replace him).

Everyone in the hockey world knew why we called up Savoie and why we signed Wright to exactly that amount and it zero to do with Lavoie, Full Stop, any argument to the contrary is just stupidity.

If you want to glaze VGK management go ahead, but the Wright signing was in no-way reactionary to VGK claiming Lavoie, the org likes the player he's got some intangibles, but that signing was clearly done for cap shenanigans purposes.

 

[Jay26]

Man I didn't know Edmonton traded Bourgault too. Lol perhaps he wouldn't have amounted to anything anyway but sheesh, losing Broberg, Holloway and Bourgault in one summer? On top of trading Reid Shaefer the year before? What prospects do they even have now?

 

[hamzarocks]

Hawks should claim him and give him a look

Younish snd has some nice offensive skills

 

[joestevens29]

So Oilers lose Broberg, Holloway, and Lavoie for nothing. That's not exactly a clinic on asset management...

Losing Lavoie for nothing wouldn't be the end of the world. Don't think we'd get much of anything for him in a trade other than another guy struggling to make the NHL.

As for Broberg and Holloway, the decision was made to go after Arvidson, Skinner and Henrique. So while just offer sheet compensation was gained for those two, the Oilers made a decision to sign guys that can help the team now.

Man I didn't know Edmonton traded Bourgault too. Lol perhaps he wouldn't have amounted to anything anyway but sheesh, losing Broberg, Holloway and Bourgault in one summer? On top of trading Reid Shaefer the year before? What prospects do they even have now?

Not much lol. It's been tough to vote on our top prospects since like pick 7.

Although with Bourgault I don't know that Jarventie is any worse of a prospect and Shaefer did net us Ekholm who without him I don't think we are going as far as we did the past 2 years in the playoffs. He really stabilized our d-core and has helped elevate Bouchard's game

 

[joestevens29]

Edmonton gets first dibs on him and can send him straight to the minors if they claim him. Only exception is if someone else puts in a claim then the oilers still get him but can’t send him down without him clearing waivers again.

There is no first dibs. It's been clarified by many capoligists in past 18 hours.

 

[joestevens29]

Hawks should claim him and give him a look

Younish snd has some nice offensive skills

This is the really head scratcher to me. I get Vegas picking him and trying to send him to their AHL affiliate, kind of a no brainer to add a prospect.

But the fact that some of the bottom teams in the league aren't picking him up really makes me think he really is nothing special.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Man I didn't know Edmonton traded Bourgault too. Lol perhaps he wouldn't have amounted to anything anyway but sheesh, losing Broberg, Holloway and Bourgault in one summer? On top of trading Reid Shaefer the year before? What prospects do they even have now?

XB is a bust

I’d trade every first round pick the oilers make if it makes HALF of the impact the Schaefer for Ekholm trade made on the team.

 

[hangman005]

XB is a bust

I’d trade every first round pick the oilers make if it makes HALF of the impact the Schaefer for Ekholm trade made on the team.

I'd trade every first round pick the oilers make if I could not get dizzy watching your avatar . Oh I'll be fair... Vegas too.

 

[tantalum]

There is no first dibs. It's been clarified by many capoligists in past 18 hours.

I think there are first dibs but not for the team who originally waived the player (Oilers) but for any other teams that put in a claim and were in line after Vegas. If there were no other claims the first time (or those teams no longer want to make the claim) he goes back through the waiver gauntlet where the Oilers can put a claim in.

 

[Figgy44]

XB is a bust

I’d trade every first round pick the oilers make if it makes HALF of the impact the Schaefer for Ekholm trade made on the team.

I've been saying that for a while. Oilers should just buy RFA/plug holes with their futures and compete vs trying to self develop players who can contribute. Ignoring those guys, if they had traded the picks used for JP, Yams etc. I think they would have reached the finals a lot sooner (much to our chagrin) by using a 3OA pick and other first rounders on things like goaltending, young RHD etc. XB was even more frustrating because Wallstedt made more sense and he could develop outside of direct control of the Oiler's system for the first few years. Even if Oilers didn't play him, he'd still be a great trade piece to plug holes in their roster a few years later.

Oiler scouts are pretty good at identifying talent, but the development of that talent seems to be the Achilles heel. IMO the more frustrating part is that IIRC, since the HOPE era, the Oilers have had a higher average of picks while attempting to compete than the Flames have had since we attempted to retool or rebuild.

Gah, if we blended the destinies of both teams and helped each other out with each other's org's weaknesses, the Flames might have a cup and the Oilers multiple by now. That'd be a strange timeline though... friendship through rivalry. Similar to but different to the 80s.

 

[HairyKneel]

This isn't me being defensive about it making my team look bad, it's entirely about you not knowing what you are talking about.

Bottom line is Cameron Wright is a 26 year old hockey player who just battled his way out of the ECHL and gained a touch of traction in the AHL last year, there is no one in their right mind who sees him as Lavoie replacement in the near term and he does not have the leverage or the track record to justify a $952K cap-hit. To coincidentally sign Wright to that contract and to call up Savoie who we already sent down in a clear paper transaction and the combination of those 2 very specific moves put us exactly $53 below the line to maxout the spending of E. Kane's LTIR cap-hit (while also putting us in position to accrue cap space till we do replace him).

You just gave him a butt end in the helmet.

 

[Bank Shot]

Man I didn't know Edmonton traded Bourgault too. Lol perhaps he wouldn't have amounted to anything anyway but sheesh, losing Broberg, Holloway and Bourgault in one summer? On top of trading Reid Shaefer the year before? What prospects do they even have now?

Their prospect pool is a lot like the Canucks. Barren.

 

[Seachd]

Have you seen Colorado's roster? I'm not sure.

Edmonton would have priority over Colorado, no?

I think there are first dibs but not for the team who originally waived the player (Oilers) but for any other teams that put in a claim and were in line after Vegas.

No, it goes purely by the final standings last year (usually until November 1).

 

[Seachd]

To also pretend that Wright was always getting a contract, is just as naive. 25 is generally the cap on “AVAILABILE” forward contracts. Teams with more, either have a ton of early ELC kids within 2 years age (teams aren’t calling up), kids playing in Europe on ELCs, or “returned to junior” ELC kids.

I think naive is believing the contract the Oilers signed to bring them within $53 of the cap wasn’t done for cap reasons.

There’s no 25-contract cap. The Oilers are no where close to the maximum number of contracts.

It’s funny how those disagreeing with me, aren’t offering up another logical reason why Vegas would put him back on waivers immediately, and conveniently fail to address they did the same exact thing last year with Denisenko. The couple of ridiculous reasons, aren’t mistakes a team like Vegas makes. It’s a mistake some moron playing a video game makes.

You were given reasons. For some reason you’re calling them “mistakes” by Vegas (even though you said if Edmonton claims Lavoie it’s no big deal). Just going in circles it seems.

If Vegas was targeting a team for this amazing plan of theirs, why would they pick one with so much space for contracts?

 

[belair]

Edmonton would have priority over Colorado, no?

Not if we want him in Bako. He needs to clear.

 

[BKarchitect]

Why would he be an upgrade on Colorado’s roster but not on Vegas or Edmonton, two teams not exactly flush with elite bottom six proven talent that he couldn’t make the cut with. Lavoie is what he is.

Pretty presumptuous to think he’d make the Avs over Ivan or Kovalenko or any number of guys already in the system.

 

[Seachd]

Not if we want him in Bako. He needs to clear.

I guess, but waiver claims are blind. They have to make their decision not knowing what other teams are doing. Since they have priority over Colorado, they’d get him whether Colorado puts in a claim or not.