Verhaeghe @ 8.5 or Nylander @ 11.5

[Chaos2k7]

@HockeyVirus

Let's have it folks, which long term deal will be better?

I will update the amount if it's less, rumored to be 8 to 8.5

Also updated the options to be able to change votes, missed that the first time.

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[HockeyVirus]

First of all, the rumor is 8.5 AAV not 8. Adjust the poll and be accurate.

Verhaeghe:
Career high 42 goals 73 points
Playoff PPG: 30 goal 65 point pace

Nylander:
Career high 40 goals and 98 points
Playoff PPG: 30 goal and 65 points

So Nylander is a measurably better regular season player, can play center, and produces exactly the same in the playoffs as Carter does. To be honest, it's a laughable poll and shades of Stutzle vs Matthews

 

[PensandCaps]

Verhaeghe easily. 5v5 monster, playoff monster, gets his points in harder leverage situations.

I don't think a bit of increased PP production is worth 3 mil lol. (while also decreasing 5v5 play, Because Verhaeghe is the better 5v5 player)

 

[HockeyVirus]

Verhaeghe easily. 5v5 monster, playoff monster, gets his points in harder leverage situations.

I don't think a bit of increased PP production is worth 3 mil lol. (while also decreasing 5v5 play, Because Verhaeghe is the better 5v5 player)

They have the exact same goals and points per game in the playoffs, how is one a playoff monster and the other isn't?

 

[theMajor]

They have the exact same goals and points per game in the playoffs, how is one a playoff monster and the other isn't?

one was defeated by headaches....j/k, you raise a fair point! i think theyre both quite good in the playoffs

 

[FerrisRox]

They have the exact same goals and points per game in the playoffs, how is one a playoff monster and the other isn't?

You can't be as out to lunch as you are pretending to be.

How does playing dumb help your argument? I don't get the strategy?

EDIT: I just saw your name. Didn't realize you had changed your picture. Nevermind, all is clear now.

 

[HockeyVirus]

one was defeated by headaches....j/k, you raise a fair point! i think theyre both quite good in the playoffs

Nylander has been our most consistent guy in the playoffs since the Habs series. Easily Toronto's best player that time of year

You can't be as out to lunch as you are pretending to be.

How does playing dumb help your argument? I don't get the strategy?

Not even sure what to say. You think if they had Nylander these last few years they do worse than with Carter? I don't see any argument to support that statement. If anything they probably have 2 cups by now.

 

[PensandCaps]

They have the exact same goals and points per game in the playoffs, how is one a playoff monster and the other isn't?

lol. Because one has done it in two years across two finals. Not across 9 years twiddling their thumbs in round 1.

And Nylander isn't even a bad playoff performer himself, infact among the core 3 in Toronto he's by far the most adaptive to playoff hockey.


But he's not close to being on Verhaeghe's level in the playoffs these past two cup run.

 

[HockeyVirus]

lol. Because one has done it in two years across two finals. Not across 9 years twiddling their thumbs in round 1.

And Nylander isn't even a bad playoff performer himself, infact among the core 3 in Toronto he's by far the most adaptive to playoff hockey.


But he's not close to being on Verhaeghe's level in the playoffs these past two cup run.

So basically, one is a Leaf so he is worse.

I said my peace on the topic, so I am done.

 

[Chaos2k7]

So basically, one is a Leaf so he is worse.

I said my peace on the topic, so I am done.

It worse because it's 3 million worse of a contract, at minimum.

 

[hamzarocks]

Like almoat every player of similar talent and capability take them vs the leaf player. The few exceptions play for similar types of teams with choking issues like Sabres, Preds, Sens etc

Leaf core are straight ass come playoffs

Nylander is the best of the bunch but the fact that the comparison is to verhaghe a secondary core piece for the panthers vs a primary one in barkov, tkachuk, or reinhart while Nylander makes 11.5M (higher than any of those 3) tells you all you need to know

 

[HockeyVirus]

It worse because it's 3 million worse of a contract, at minimum.

Nylander is a much better player Like I said, Stutzle vs Matthews 2.0. You can get anything with that 3M!

 

[Golden_Jet]

Verhaeghe has 10-11 playoff winning goals and 5 or 6 OT winners for Florida

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I voted Nylander initially because I think he's more capable of being the main guy on a line, whereas I put Verhaeghe in that "high end complimentary type" who shouldn't be your top guy on a line.

The only pause is the gap in pay (duh). I'm not a fan of paying someone over $11 million unless they're legitimate Hart/Art Ross threats most seasons.

So now I don't know what to think. I think Nylander's "better" and more capable of being the top guy on a line, but is he worth $11.5 million to be that?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Nylander is a much better player Like I said, Stutzle vs Matthews 2.0. You can get anything with that 3M!

Oh it’s shrunk from 5 to 3 million now lol.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Nylander is a much better player Like I said, Stutzle vs Matthews 2.0. You can get anything with that 3M!

Gonna have to be called on that - as it's dead wrong.

 

[PensandCaps]

So basically, one is a Leaf so he is worse.

I said my peace on the topic, so I am done.

No, because you're A. being very disingenuous by counting 8 of Verhaeghe's games from Tampa getting like 9 mins a game.

B. Verhaeghe's last 3 playoff runs would all be career highs for Nylander. But hey, Nylander will rise up the all time playoff point leaderboard 5 points at a time!

 

[HockeyVirus]

No, because you're A. being very disingenuous by counting 8 of Verhaeghe's games from Tampa getting like 9 mins a game.

B. Verhaeghe's last 3 playoff runs would all be career highs for Nylander. But hey, Nylander will rise up the all time playoff point leaderboard 5 points at a time!

So we can discount Nylanders games getting low minutes under Babcock?

 

[Clode]

All Carter Verhaeghe does is score clutch goals

 

[Chaos2k7]

So we can discount Nylanders games getting low minutes under Babcock?

I thought you were done, and that polls on HF are useless?

This is for shits and giggles, and I am already laughing.

 

[PensandCaps]

So we can discount Nylanders games getting low minutes under Babcock?

if you want to compare getting 4th line deployments along with 9 mins, to top 9 deployments, getting 15 mins a game, then you go ahead lol.

And what's more relevant is recency, Verhaeghe from Tampa isn't the same player. Nylander walked into the league as a top 6 forward.

 

[M88K]

Take the cheaper player who produces roughly the same number of goals.

 

[BB88]

They have the exact same goals and points per game in the playoffs, how is one a playoff monster and the other isn't?

Because you are putting way too much value on pace vs actual production through long playoff runs

Verhaeghe has had 3 playoff runs Nylander can’t touch

 

[Cats2TheCup]

It comes down to what we’re measuring and your priorities: Stanley Cups or respect in the handshake line?

 

[TMLegend]

I'll take the star player who drives his line over a (very good)complimentary winger.

If that's what Verhaeghe comes in at it's gonna be viewed as a bad deal in short order.