Proposal: Vej + Schmaltz to PIT
- Thread starter Gurglesons
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Needs more Smiths going to Phoenix
Goalie_Bob
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Why are Schmaltz and Vejmelka worth that kind of haul?
That’s a lot for the Pens to give up just to finish in 9th again.
Also, has discussed yesterday, goaltending is not your biggest need.
Also, has discussed yesterday, goaltending is not your biggest need.
Goalie_Bob
1992 Vezina (2nd)
Why would you say that? The current starter is a UFA and has shown he can't be trusted, thus is probably going to move on because he will want too much money for what he has produced and they don't have any prospects even close to NHL ready.
Goaltending is definitely the biggest need.
molon labe
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Uh, lol.
You could argue firing Sully is our biggest need - but on the roster? You're out to lunch if you don't think goaltending hasn't been our biggest need for 3 years+ now.
Gurglesons
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Must not know anything about the Penguins.
Vej’s contract. Schmaltz is a PPG player on a solid deal. Honestly think it’s potentially not enough value.
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Hello no.
Giving up Two 1sts, a 2nd and Ty Smith for Schmaltz, who is good to be fair, not great.
Unless Vej is some can't miss goalie, this trade is horrible. (his stats aren't promising)
Giving up Two 1sts, a 2nd and Ty Smith for Schmaltz, who is good to be fair, not great.
Unless Vej is some can't miss goalie, this trade is horrible. (his stats aren't promising)
3rd team fan here, wouldn't the Coyotes be better served keeping Karel? Since he'll likely be better with a better team around him, trading him will just yield pennies to the dollar of his actual value, so might as well let him keep the team afloat while integrating the kids, and then could trade him as his value goes up. He's also only 26 which is pretty young for a starting goalie so he can definitely be part of the future. (I mean you can definitely ship him out and bring in someone else to fit the timeline, but y'all will need a goalie sometime and can only keep so many picks such that it'd be redundant to keep flipping players away instead of keeping them for your team's ascension).
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Found the guy who doesn't know anything about Vejmelka
DeSmith and Jarry had save percentages .9 and .15 higher than league average.
Unless you’re trading for a knock out starter, which this proposal ain’t, they aren’t getting back to the postseason.
Unless you’re trading for a knock out starter, which this proposal ain’t, they aren’t getting back to the postseason.
Lol. Downplay a nearly PPG winger making $5.85 million for 3 more years and then mention Ty Smith as if he’s some sort of prize. (Not directed at OP to clarify - this isn’t an insulting offer by any means - I just don’t think it’s quite meaty enough for both players in one package).
Also Vejmelka was certainly one of the better goalies in the NHL this year and is signed for a ridiculous $2.75 million for two more years.
I’d wager Armstrong is done just collecting picks who won’t be ready for 4 years. They are at critical mass with their amount of young prospects and picks. Going to have to pony up something much more readily NHL appealing if you want Schmaltz and Vejmelka combined in one deal. These are prime assets, in their prime ages, signed to below market deals (WAY below in Vejmelka’s case).
Jarry is fine, if the Pens are gonna re-sign him so be it but you’ll be hard pressed to find better performance to cap hit ratio for a nailed on starter than Vejmelka who carried the Coyotes on his back with a blueline featuring Juuso Valimaki as the #1 defenseman by season’s end and a rotating cast of characters all year long.
Also Vejmelka was certainly one of the better goalies in the NHL this year and is signed for a ridiculous $2.75 million for two more years.
I’d wager Armstrong is done just collecting picks who won’t be ready for 4 years. They are at critical mass with their amount of young prospects and picks. Going to have to pony up something much more readily NHL appealing if you want Schmaltz and Vejmelka combined in one deal. These are prime assets, in their prime ages, signed to below market deals (WAY below in Vejmelka’s case).
There are better metrics in 2023 to measure goalie performance than save%.
Jarry is fine, if the Pens are gonna re-sign him so be it but you’ll be hard pressed to find better performance to cap hit ratio for a nailed on starter than Vejmelka who carried the Coyotes on his back with a blueline featuring Juuso Valimaki as the #1 defenseman by season’s end and a rotating cast of characters all year long.
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No brainer for Arizona. I expect Schmaltz to be traded for sure this offseason given his salary commitments and he's got a M-NTC about to kick in:
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I don't have to assume he's good because I watch him play, I don't just look at his save % on a bad team
Kaibur
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Both locked up on good contracts. Not really saying they are but if I’m Arizona, I don’t move them without a big offer. It would be very poor asset management to basically give Marino away for nothing though.
Pittsburgh should hold onto future first until at least the deadline because it’s a real possibility they’re high picks. If they’re going to do that, they need to send Granland the other way as a cap dump.
Hextall did so bad as GM of this team.
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Jesus. H. Christ what a bad, out-of-touch-with-reality take.
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Schmaltz would be a big step in the right direction in terms of injecting some speed and dynamic ability to the Penguins stagnant Top-6.
This is a lot to give up, but he's a really good player on a really solid contract.
The biggest factor in this value proposition is...what do you think of Vejmelka? Is he the real deal, or are you buying a mirage? Personally i don't like the value on this overall because i'm not a big fan of him. I don't have a lot of confidence there. But if you do have that confidence he'll be the solution in net...the value is right. That's the tipping point though, for me.
This is a lot to give up, but he's a really good player on a really solid contract.
The biggest factor in this value proposition is...what do you think of Vejmelka? Is he the real deal, or are you buying a mirage? Personally i don't like the value on this overall because i'm not a big fan of him. I don't have a lot of confidence there. But if you do have that confidence he'll be the solution in net...the value is right. That's the tipping point though, for me.
Gurglesons
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Goalie_Bob
1992 Vezina (2nd)
Lol. Downplay a nearly PPG winger making $5.85 million for 3 more years and then mention Ty Smith as if he’s some sort of prize. (Not directed at OP to clarify - this isn’t an insulting offer by any means - I just don’t think it’s quite meaty enough for both players in one package).
Also Vejmelka was certainly one of the better goalies in the NHL this year and is signed for a ridiculous $2.75 million for two more years.
I’d wager Armstrong is done just collecting picks who won’t be ready for 4 years. They are at critical mass with their amount of young prospects and picks. Going to have to pony up something much more readily NHL appealing if you want Schmaltz and Vejmelka combined in one deal. These are prime assets, in their prime ages, signed to below market deals (WAY below in Vejmelka’s case).
There are better metrics in 2023 to measure goalie performance than save%.
Jarry is fine, if the Pens are gonna re-sign him so be it but you’ll be hard pressed to find better performance to cap hit ratio for a nailed on starter than Vejmelka who carried the Coyotes on his back with a blueline featuring Juuso Valimaki as the #1 defenseman by season’s end and a rotating cast of characters all year long.
So the Pens would be better off trading for Sam Montembeault then? Because he has a better GSAx over the past two years and they were both on comparably crap teams. Montembault was -17.3 last season and Vejmelka was -23.2. And he makes 1 mil next season.
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