Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

[StumpyTown]

Trying to make the cap count in the playoffs would be very hard to pull off. You can't add up the salaries on a daily basis if there aren't any salaries being paid out anymore.

What you could do though, would be to make only those players eligible fo the playoffs who have been removed from LTIR prior to the end of the regular season. So a team would need to have the capspace to activate the player or he would have to sit out the playoffs.

It's really not that hard to calculate 1/82nd of every players contract value for the season and apply that to their roster position in a playoff game they are dressed for.

 

[Suntouchable13]

It's really not that hard to calculate 1/82nd of every players contract value for the season and apply that to their roster position in a playoff game they are dressed for.

How about “no”? ok? the cap is here for cost certainty only. After the regular season is over, the owners and the players got their 50-50 split. Leave it alone.

 

[JKG33]

The incessant whining from other fanbases, especially the fans of loser teams, would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic

 

[Golden_Jet]

Doing it two years in a row would be bold. Or is it just coincidence?

Who do you think they will add at the deadline?

Not really, hasn’t played in 6 weeks,

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Why cant it?

Start here:

Most playoff teams are above the cap based on salary aav in the playoffs, because they accrue cap space during the season so they can spend at the deadline.

Make it hard cap for the playoffs, kill the trade deadline.

Just in 5 minutes:
* Teams have to declare a playing roster that is cap-compliant in [unspecified] fashion. Doesn't account for injuries, both ones that occur and ones where a player finally heals up and is ready to play - and the NHLPA isn't about to have players prohibited from playing in the playoffs simply because they had the bad luck of not getting healthy until a certain point.
* Players who are on LTIR can't play until _______. See point above about the NHLPA.
* Teams can exceed the cap, but only by _______. Doesn't fix the "problem" of players getting healthy in time for the playoffs, which is what people here are bitching about.
* Well, we'll set every team's cap based on the sum of the cap hits they had at the deadline. You've just incentivized teams who splurge at the deadline and penalized teams who don't. Also known as: you've rewarded high-revenue teams and penalized low-revenue teams.
* Teams can have all the cap hits they want on the roster, but they can only play guys whose cap hits ..... - see the point about teams being able to acquire players at the deadline because of accrued cap space, then put that against the immediately preceding point.

And every single one of you who keeps complaining about taxes and the salary cap and wants some adjustment made for it: stop it. I and others have shot down this TEAMS IN NO INCOME TAX STATES HAVE TEH MASSIVE ADVANTAGE argument numerous times already, this "problem" is purely an imaginary one that doesn't appear in any other professional sport where the "advantage" is very clearly and very obviously due to "no income tax" like is repeatedly alleged with the NHL. Until/unless you're willing to agree to have a salary cap that is "fair" by accounting for every possible advantage any one market may have over another, all you're doing is imposing some artificial notion of what's supposed to be fair while agreeing that some teams can be penalized for economic disadvantages as long as it doesn't disadvantage your team.

 

[CupofOil]

The simplest solution is make the cap apply through the playoffs.

Hey NHL...

 

[andora]

Start here:



Just in 5 minutes:
* Teams have to declare a playing roster that is cap-compliant in [unspecified] fashion. Doesn't account for injuries, both ones that occur and ones where a player finally heals up and is ready to play - and the NHLPA isn't about to have players prohibited from playing in the playoffs simply because they had the bad luck of not getting healthy until a certain point.
* Players who are on LTIR can't play until _______. See point above about the NHLPA.
* Teams can exceed the cap, but only by _______. Doesn't fix the "problem" of players getting healthy in time for the playoffs, which is what people here are bitching about.
* Well, we'll set every team's cap based on the sum of the cap hits they had at the deadline. You've just incentivized teams who splurge at the deadline and penalized teams who don't. Also known as: you've rewarded high-revenue teams and penalized low-revenue teams.
* Teams can have all the cap hits they want on the roster, but they can only play guys whose cap hits ..... - see the point about teams being able to acquire players at the deadline because of accrued cap space, then put that against the immediately preceding point.

And every single one of you who keeps complaining about taxes and the salary cap and wants some adjustment made for it: stop it. I and others have shot down this TEAMS IN NO INCOME TAX STATES HAVE TEH MASSIVE ADVANTAGE argument numerous times already, this "problem" is purely an imaginary one that doesn't appear in any other professional sport where the "advantage" is very clearly and very obviously due to "no income tax" like is repeatedly alleged with the NHL. Until/unless you're willing to agree to have a salary cap that is "fair" by accounting for every possible advantage any one market may have over another, all you're doing is imposing some artificial notion of what's supposed to be fair while agreeing that some teams can be penalized for economic disadvantages as long as it doesn't disadvantage your team.

So why cant it just be 84.5 for playoffs?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I love when people cry about this lmao

Winners win losers lose , story as old as time , you should be mad at your team for not bending the rules instead of crying about Stanley Cup champion teams

 

[Ted Hoffman]

There's no need to make it complicated by calculating a daily cap hit. Just reset the playoff cap to whatever the cap is for the year for all teams. While a team collectively might have a higher AAV than the cap, you can only ice a roster that has a max AAV of $83.5 million.
I'm sure there's a downside to this but I can't think of one at the moment lol.

Your team saved up cap money, added players at the trade deadline. The collective cap hits of the players after the trade deadline is $87 million - but, because of that accrued cap space from earlier in the season, the team is cap compliant. In fact, it even ends the season still having cap space left over.

Playoffs roll around. Your idea says "hey, congrats on making your team better for the postseason. I know you were cap compliant through Game 82 but now you can only play guys whose cap hits total $83.5 million; f*** you guys, figure out which high-priced guy(s) you picked up at the deadline to help you in the postseason you're sitting in the press box."

I'm sure teams who want to win a Cup will be completely fine with that.

So why cant it just be 84.5 for playoffs?

Your team saved up cap money, added players at the trade deadline. The collective cap hits of the players after the trade deadline is $87 million - but, because of that accrued cap space from earlier in the season, the team is cap compliant. In fact, it even ends the season still having cap space left over.

Playoffs roll around. Your idea says "hey, congrats on making your team better for the postseason. I know you were cap compliant through Game 82 but now you can only play guys whose cap hits total $83.5 million; f*** you guys, figure out which high-priced guy(s) you picked up at the deadline to help you in the postseason you're sitting in the press box."

I'm sure teams who want to win a Cup will be completely fine with that.

That was perfect timing.

What you could do though, would be to make only those players eligible fo the playoffs who have been removed from LTIR prior to the end of the regular season. So a team would need to have the capspace to activate the player or he would have to sit out the playoffs.

I'm sure the NHLPA will be perfectly fine with a player who was legitimately injured in the regular season but got healthy enough to play in the playoffs - but after the end of the regular season - getting told "f*** you, you didn't get healthy in time, you don't get to play at all."

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Doing it two years in a row would be bold. Or is it just coincidence?

Who do you think they will add at the deadline?

So you're asserting that Eichel had unnecessary surgery in January so his team could circumvent the cap? Man that's dedication. What leadership!

 

[dirtydanglez]

if they can they will. it's a proven strategy.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

So why cant it just be 84.5 for playoffs?

I'm actually going to come back to this one.

If you're willing to concede 84.5, why not 84.6? 84.7? 85? 85.5? 86? 87? 88? 113? As soon as you move from "everyone should be strictly cap compliant" to conceding well, a little cap non-compliance is OK then the argument becomes "how much non-compliance is acceptable?" Some people in the "we need a cap" camp will then be all over the grid on what they'll live with. Hardliners will scream 0,

 

[GOilers88]

The whining and crying about this is just old.

Sack up, folks.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

It's really not that hard to calculate 1/82nd of every players contract value for the season and apply that to their roster position in a playoff game they are dressed for.

Explain how this idea is (1) going to be applied in the playoffs, and (2) is going to apply consistently for all teams, given that in the playoffs teams might play anywhere from 4-28 games and at least half the teams will play no more than 7.

 

[randywoodsghost]

My big concern is that you have to have a doctor sign off that he isn’t fit to play but magically they are able to play as soon as the regular season calendar ends and the playoff one begins.

Seems like quackery.

 

[andora]

Your team saved up cap money, added players at the trade deadline. The collective cap hits of the players after the trade deadline is $87 million - but, because of that accrued cap space from earlier in the season, the team is cap compliant. In fact, it even ends the season still having cap space left over.

Playoffs roll around. Your idea says "hey, congrats on making your team better for the postseason. I know you were cap compliant through Game 82 but now you can only play guys whose cap hits total $83.5 million; f*** you guys, figure out which high-priced guy(s) you picked up at the deadline to help you in the postseason you're sitting in the press box."

I'm sure teams who want to win a Cup will be completely fine with that.




That was perfect timing.


I'm sure the NHLPA will be perfectly fine with a player who was legitimately injured in the regular season but got healthy enough to play in the playoffs - but after the end of the regular season - getting told "f*** you, you didn't get healthy in time, you don't get to play at all."

Yeah I was definitely suffering from a little bit of tunnel vision here so appreciate the analogy. Part of me still says the 20 players dress for a playoff game have to equal the salary cap or less

I realize the PA angle

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Just ditch the cap, NHL.

And ditch Gary while you're at it.

 

[Score08]

Suspended Marchand .

 

[Slats432]

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Doing it two years in a row would be bold. Or is it just coincidence?

Who do you think they will add at the deadline?

Consider that Tampa had Kucherov skating for almost two months before the playoffs but wasn't ready to come off LTIR until G1 of the playoffs, when he was magically good to go. PERFECT timing! And the whole Board of Governors goes "No we don't think it's circumvention."

It was obviously circumvention. GMs obviously circumvent the cap, but they'll all look the other way because when it comes time that it's their turn to do it, they want that option.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

if I never have to hear idiots complain about LTIR being "cAp CiRcUmVeNtIoN" again I'd die a happy man.

Players get injured, players go on LTIR. Teams cant put healthy players on LTIR, one there's oversight and 2 what competitive pro is going to willingly sit out for significant time? Morons act like Kucherov just willingly forfeited an entire season.

 

[TheNewEra]

Suspended Marchand .

Ottawas about to lose a first again

 

[JKG33]

if they can they will. it's a proven strategy.

Not to be confused with Dubas' "we can and we will"

 

[unicornpig]

The simplest solution is make the cap apply through the playoffs.

the league should implement this after the TDL or right before the playoffs to screw teams who try to circumevent.

 

[wetcoast]

Or if the hard cap is making the NHL unenjoyable for someone, that Some should probably consider moving on and ding somethin enjoyable with their time.

So it's funny that multiple people have other views on the salary cap but those only who think a hard cap is stupid should go elsewhere?

I rarely think about the cap and it doesn't affect my enjoyment of watching hockey and I'm sure most people feel that way even if they think the hard cap is dumb..