Vatrano cross-checks Kostin and gets knocked down with a left hook

[LemmyUlanov55]

The Klim Reaper does what he does best.

 

[luiginb]

As long as the gloves are still on that's a cheap shot and should have been more than 2 minutes.

 

[TGWL]

How long was he down for? It seemed like a little bit of embellishment? Also, unless there is more to this between the 2 from an earlier play, Vatrano didn't start it in the video shown.

Thread is hilarious.

The chicken wing was barely an elbow - he was digging for the puck. Even if it was an elbow, he was going about 2mph and didn't even connect. Let's not cry wolf here. Vatrano took offense anyway - fine - and put a lot of weight into a cross check. Fine. Kostin said f*** around and find out, and dropped him with a gloved punch. Might have been embellished, might have been a great punch, might have been unfair to punch but far better to have done it with glove and squared up from the front, not side or back.

Both got offsetting minors. Seems about right given the cross check was also dangerous.

Move on.

When you need to add in "even if it was an elbow", you should probably just stop typing.

That's like somebody justifying a cross check with "His arms were nearly fully extended before the cross check hit Kostin, so there wasn't weight behind it."

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

How long was he down for? It seemed like a little bit of embellishment? Also, unless there is more to this between the 2 from an earlier play, Vatrano didn't start it in the video shown.

Rumor has it, he’s still down

 

[TooManyHumans]

FAFO

 

[Hobnobs]

As long as the gloves are still on that's a cheap shot and should have been more than 2 minutes.

Yea, no. Vatrano turned into a lil bitch. Poor guy. Legends has it he's down embellishing it.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Lol calls a guy glass chin, brags about fight history and then tells me to lighten up, if that's not some classic shit posting....

I think you've completely missed my point, which was that this was not a fight. There's a big difference between eating a shot when you are squared up and ready for it, versus when you aren't. Hence why a boxer can stand in and eat shots for 12 rounds but will still get absolutely floored if sucker punched.

10/10 HFboards members would get put on their ass by that punch in that same scenario

You're putting up more of a fight in this thread than Vatrano did on the ice.

Good job.

 

[bb_fan]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1845302053255438802

well, if we are being accurate, Vatrano cross checks Kostin and after an elbow to the face and then auditions for the high school diving team

 

[Rodgerwilco]

I wish cross checks earned more players punches to the jaw. There's entirely too much acceptance of cross checking in the game versus, say, a star player on your team getting checked hard to the boards (which immediately creates a scrum and an offer to fight).

I hate cross checking and I hate that more players won't respond strongly to it. Players break their arms, wrists, fingers from cross checks/slashes, and they're easy fouls to conceal from officials. It's dirty as hell but low on the list of things people want excised from the game, and I don't understand why.

Totally agree with this, man. From the time I first got into watching and playing hockey I never understood 1. Why so many players feel the need to cross-check other players, and 2. Why so many players and refs think that cross-checking is just a non-issue.

 

[coooldude]

When you need to add in "even if it was an elbow", you should probably just stop typing.

Have you ever had a discussion before?

It wasn't much of an elbow at all.

Second point: even if it was because you insist, the argument is dumb because...

That's called debating multiple points at once. Try it!

 

[TGWL]

Have you ever had a discussion before?

It wasn't much of an elbow at all.

Second point: even if it was because you insist, the argument is dumb because...

That's called debating multiple points at once. Try it!

Sorry, your argument, discussion or whatever you want to call it failed when you added "even if he threw an elbow". Sorry, bro, you can't do that in hockey. It's not debating multiple points.

 

[Sensatauro]

Wait, some people think Kostin is in the wrong here?


Yeah .....NO.

When you f*** around, you find out. Math is absolutely clear on this with no margins of error.

 

[Czechboy]

I don't think Vatrano dived (didn't watch the game and just this clip).. that was a sneaky good punch from Klim. He can toss them. not saying he was right to do it.. definitely a penalty. LIke it was wrong but f***en hillarious all at the same time.

 

[coooldude]

Sorry, your argument, discussion or whatever you want to call it failed when you added "even if he threw an elbow". Sorry, bro, you can't do that in hockey. It's not debating multiple points.

You can't skate at 3mph into the area between benches and have slight contact with another player? A 6'4" player's elbow barely grazed a guy and we're gonna keep debating this? God, if it were a big hit I wouldn't be belaboring the point but it was nothing at all. AND EVEN IT WERE AN ELBOW THE CROSS-CHECK WAS ALSO DIRTY. you can't seem to comprehend that the argument isn't even a good one if it were actually an elbow. Which it wasn't. "You can't do that" applies to the cross-check too, hence the offsetting minors.

Vatrano came back hard and Kostin came back harder. so what? I'm amazed at how big a deal the ducks fans are making this.

 

[Terry Yake]

You can't skate at 3mph into the area between benches and have slight contact with another player? A 6'4" player's elbow barely grazed a guy and we're gonna keep debating this? God, if it were a big hit I wouldn't be belaboring the point but it was nothing at all. AND EVEN IT WERE AN ELBOW THE CROSS-CHECK WAS ALSO DIRTY. you can't seem to comprehend that the argument isn't even a good one if it were actually an elbow. Which it wasn't. "You can't do that" applies to the cross-check too, hence the offsetting minors.

Vatrano came back hard and Kostin came back harder. so what? I'm amazed at how big a deal the ducks fans are making this.

barely grazed lmao. i get you want to defend your guy, but at least tell it like it is. kostin clearly raises his elbow to make contact with vatrano. that's elbowing

 

[TGWL]

You can't skate at 3mph into the area between benches and have slight contact with another player? A 6'4" player's elbow barely grazed a guy and we're gonna keep debating this? God, if it were a big hit I wouldn't be belaboring the point but it was nothing at all. AND EVEN IT WERE AN ELBOW THE CROSS-CHECK WAS ALSO DIRTY. you can't seem to comprehend that the argument isn't even a good one if it were actually an elbow. Which it wasn't. "You can't do that" applies to the cross-check too, hence the offsetting minors.

Vatrano came back hard and Kostin came back harder. so what? I'm amazed at how big a deal the ducks fans are making this.

Nobody said the cross check wasn't dirty though... Also, you're kidding yourself if you think it was just slight contact between 2 players skating by. It's an attempted elbow, regardless of the speed, or the physical force between the contact made.

 

[coooldude]

barely grazed lmao. i get you want to defend your guy, but at least tell it like it is. kostin clearly raises his elbow to make contact with vatrano. that's elbowing

Nobody said the cross check wasn't dirty though... Also, you're kidding yourself if you think it was just slight contact between 2 players skating by. It's an attempted elbow, regardless of the speed, or the physical force between the contact made.

Yes, boys, barely grazed. Was it a high, hard elbow that we should be VERY UPSET ONLINE about? Or did his elbow kind of, sort of graze his face in a slow fly by? I got hit harder than this in men's league on Sunday. Vatrano's head moves back about 1-2 inches and Kostin is definitely going extremely slowly and looking down and even describing it as a chicken wing is dramatic.

In addition, I don't recall them calling an elbow. I recall them calling offsetting minors for crosschecking and roughing. Incidental contact like this happens all the F'ing time and you guys are making way too big a deal about it. But like I said before... stay mad, happy to ignore this thread from here.

 

[Terry Yake]

Yes, boys, barely grazed. Was it a high, hard elbow that we should be VERY UPSET ONLINE about? Or did his elbow kind of, sort of graze his face in a slow fly by? I got hit harder than this in men's league on Sunday. Vatrano's head moves back about 1-2 inches and Kostin is definitely going extremely slowly and looking down and even describing it as a chicken wing is dramatic.

In addition, I don't recall them calling an elbow. I recall them calling offsetting minors for crosschecking and roughing. Incidental contact like this happens all the F'ing time and you guys are making way too big a deal about it. But like I said before... stay mad, happy to ignore this thread from here.

no you didn't

even if it "just grazed" his face like you claim, that's still elbowing because of the fact that kostin extended his elbow. the rule for elbowing says "the use of an extended elbow" and that's exactly what kostin did

yes, because the refs get 100% of what they call correct. lmao

 

[theVladiator]

barely grazed lmao. i get you want to defend your guy, but at least tell it like it is. kostin clearly raises his elbow to make contact with vatrano. that's elbowing

Neutral fan here. From my point of view, should replace "clearly raises his elbow" with "slightly moves his elbow", and there is a big leap before the last sentence. This contact is as far from elbowing as a face wash is from a punch. I do think the contact was intentional, but doesn't rise to the level of a penalty. I do sometimes wish there was a penalty for being a greasy , so that Perry can stay in the box the whole game. Alas, there is not.

Both penalties seem appropriate, and I thought crosscheck actually did more damage there, so on some level Vatrano won the confrontation.

 

[Terry Yake]

Neutral fan here. From my point of view, should replace "clearly raises his elbow" with "slightly moves his elbow", and there is a big leap before the last sentence. This contact is as far from elbowing as a face wash is from a punch. I do think the contact was intentional, but doesn't rise to the level of a penalty. I do sometimes wish there was a penalty for being a greasy , so that Perry can stay in the box the whole game. Alas, there is not.

Both penalties seem appropriate, and I thought crosscheck actually did more damage there, so on some level Vatrano won the confrontation.

either way, the elbow was still extended to make contact with vatrano. and i'm not pointing out the elbow to say that a penalty should've been called, but rather, to point out that vatrano's crosscheck didn't just come out of nowhere (which is what the majority of posters in this thread think happened)

 

[Ghost of Murph]

A case of Vatrano finding out and learning. Maybe next time he will avoid doing that to a guy who has trained with MMA fighters.