Value of: Vancouver's 15th overall Pick for late 1st and a 2nd

[Qwijibo]

Montreal offers Calgary’s 1st + Montreal’s 2nd(33rd) + 4th

No. Montreal doesn’t.

 

[Sweetpotato]

I wouldn't mind seeing Edmonton trade up to get Kasper or Mateychuk. That said i wouldn't move a 2nd for it.

 

[Fatass]

I wouldn't mind seeing Edmonton trade up to get Kasper or Mateychuk. That said i wouldn't move a 2nd for it.

If Kasper is still there at 15 the Canucks will select him.

 

[Sweetpotato]

If Kasper is still there at 15 the Canucks will select him.

I agree with you, but that wasn't the question.

 

[Fatass]

I agree with you, but that wasn't the question.

If Kasper is available and the Canucks foolishly choose to trade the pick (because Kasper is sought after by several teams) then I could see them getting a late first and a second for a lower team to move up.

 

[crobro]

Vancouvers first and Connor garland for Aaron Ekblad

 

[Sweetpotato]

Vancouvers first and Connor garland for Aaron Ekblad

Every team in the league beats that for a #1 defenseman.

 

[Luck 6]

I don’t think I’d move back… The quality in the middle of the 1st round is usually pretty good.

 

[Lockin17]

No. Montreal doesn’t.

Depends who is available to be honest.
Conor Geekie or Brad Lambert would be a yes

 

[RebuildinVan]

Normally Id say no....but then realizing Benning left us without a 2nd this year

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Those are decisions you make after the 14th pick and who is left. Our GM already publicly stated he likes the top 15 of this draft. Another player like Garland/Boeser/Miller will get you a high pick or two.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

I would do flames 1st and our own 2nd if a guy like Yurov is still there, i would maybe even throw another 2nd, but i really like Yurov

 

[HuGort]

Any team have shown interest in moving up ?

Canucks are looking to add more prospects and picks to their system.

There are teams with multiple picks in the first 2 rounds. Any interest in trading Quantity for Quality?

Habs be interested. Flames first plus our second, 33rd overall for 15?

 

[YP44]

I think LA trades their first in a package for a roster play, but if not and that Russian who is recovering from Cancer is still there at 15 I would want them to trade up to get him. 19th + 2nd...sure

 

[Heldig]

Arizona would undoubtedly do that IF it was an option.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

The Jets could do it if NYR makes the next round and gives up their 1st this year (28th or so?) plus the Blues’ 2nd round puck. Picking 14 & 15 could help fill the gaps in our prospect pool.

 

[bernmeister]

Any team have shown interest in moving up ?

Canucks are looking to add more prospects and picks to their system.

There are teams with multiple picks in the first 2 rounds. Any interest in trading Quantity for Quality?

NY has to advance + Copp play 50% of games to lose their 2022 1st.
CAR-NYR is pick'em at this pt.

How about NYR next 2 1sts (whichever the year and barring injury likely late) + D prospect Jones + do me a favor cap dump Nemeth [2 x 2.5]
for
2022 15OA
and next VAN 2nds?

 

[jmelm]

Any team have shown interest in moving up ?

Canucks are looking to add more prospects and picks to their system.

There are teams with multiple picks in the first 2 rounds. Any interest in trading Quantity for Quality?

From an Arizona point of view, I would happily trade one of the CAR/COL 1st rounders + AZ's second round pick (#34) for #15.

Ditto for Buffalo trading the FLA first + their own 2nd round pick (however unlike Arizona, BUF's second rounder is only #41, so not sure if that's an issue for VAN)

 

[jmelm]

I don’t think I’d move back… The quality in the middle of the 1st round is usually pretty good.

Given the Canucks prospect pool, as well as the fact there will be some really good players in this draft who will slip to the late first/early second, they would be smart to make such a move.

 

[StreetHawk]

Any team have shown interest in moving up ?

Canucks are looking to add more prospects and picks to their system.

There are teams with multiple picks in the first 2 rounds. Any interest in trading Quantity for Quality?

A team without multiple 2nds Likely have to truly love a guy to give that up to move up. Doesn’t sound like there is a tonne of separation. With guys in the teens range. AZ gave up pick 45 to move up like 3 spots from 14 to 11 to secure Soderstrom.

Best options are really teams with multiple assets like Anaheim that own Boston’s first and Pitt’s second, Montreal that own Calgary’s first and Edmonton’s second, Buffalo that own Florida’s first (they pick at 16 so that seems unlikely unless they love 2 guys), and AZ who have Car and Col firsts plus phi, NYI and SJ seconds.

Probably AZ since there is a big gap between pick 3 to their next first. Could get Montreal to move up from the Calgary pick and give you the Edm Second especially if Calgary gets into the final 4 them their pick is no earlier than 29.

 

[kvladimir]

Suggested this in another thread, but would something like this make sense for MIN + VAN?

15th pick + Boeser (extended @ 6-6.5ish) for Fiala (extended @7+) + MIN 1st (24th-27th)

Idea being that an extended Boeser will be less cap than an extended Fiala, add a right shot to MIN's top 6, move them up in the draft due to the difference in player value, and give VAN a top LW that perhaps fits better? If VAN clears other cap space, which it sounds like they will, they should be able to afford the Fiala extension at the cost of Boeser's.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I don't see Montreal trading up. This is a deep draft in that #15- 30 are fairly interchangeable to some degree. Habs are better off drafting BPA with the Flames pick and their #33 pick.

I can see McGroarty dropping to the 20's.

 

[StreetHawk]

I don't see Montreal trading up. This is a deep draft in that #15- 30 are fairly interchangeable to some degree. Habs are better off drafting BPA with the Flames pick and their #33 pick.

I can see McGroarty dropping to the 20's.

I don’t see Montreal giving up both flames first and 33. Likely it would be Edm picks in the mid 59’s that goes the other way. Similar to the Det/Dal deal where the wings gave up the Wash first, Edm second and a 5th to go from 23 to like 15/16 to get Cossa. That’s more likely to be the parameters of a deal. So that 5th would go to a 4th since the first is a few spots later between 23 to wherever Calgary’s pick would late in the late 20’s.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I don’t see Montreal giving up both flames first and 33. Likely it would be Edm picks in the mid 59’s that goes the other way. Similar to the Det/Dal deal where the wings gave up the Wash first, Edm second and a 5th to go from 23 to like 15/16 to get Cossa. That’s more likely to be the parameters of a deal. So that 5th would go to a 4th since the first is a few spots later between 23 to wherever Calgary’s pick would late in the late 20’s.

That would be more palatable to me from a Habs perspective. To me the #33 pick should not be moved. Its equivalent to a late-1st draft pick in this draft and one that shouldn't be used as collateral.

 

[jmelm]

I don't see Montreal trading up. This is a deep draft in that #15- 30 are fairly interchangeable to some degree. Habs are better off drafting BPA with the Flames pick and their #33 pick.

I can see McGroarty dropping to the 20's.

It's fair, in theory, to say that players in the 15-30 range are interchangible when you're looking at the consensus lists or in some people's perspectives.

However, individual teams do not rank players this way. I guarantee you that MTL will have 3-5 guys like really like in any given rang of the draft before, in their estimation, it drops down to the guys they have in their next tier below. So it's very reasonable and practical to expect that there's an excellent chance MTL sees the guys potentially available to them at 15 to be very different than the guys available at the CAR or GGY picks.

If they only had a single second round pick, perhaps it would be less likely that they would make such a move up. But when they 2 seconds as well as 3 third rounders + 3 fourth rounders, I think it's more likely that there's one or more move up scenarios they will make. Perhaps one in the first, perhaps one or more in the second & third rounds. But I would be surprised if they pick 10 times with the 10 picks they currently have in the first 4 rounds. I think somehow that number goes to 7 or 8 (which includes both trade up possibilities as well as the potential to trade 1 or 2 of their 2022 picks for similarly rated 2023 picks).

Lastly, let's not forget that the draft is in Montreal, and making a splash in front of their home crowd would also be somewhat compelling and certainly cool to see.

Because of the number of picks they have this year and the next few, as well as the good young players they already have in their system, I would definitely go quality over quantity if I were them.