Proposal: Vancouver - Winnipeg - Minnesota (Proposal)

[howkie]

Just posted this on Canuck.com


I will give you a 3 way trade that may work................This is a hockey trade...................all teams deal with their own Cap issues!



Winnipeg trades .........Dubois + Scheifele + Pionk OUT: $17,000,000 for Miller , Boeser and Dumba IN: $17,250,000



Vancouver trades...... ..Miller + Boeser OUT: $11,125,000 for Dubois, Pionk and 2022- 1st IN: $10,875,000



Minni trades...................Dumba + 2022-1st OUT: $6,000,000 for Scheifele IN: $6,125,000

Can you explain to me why this is good for Winnipeg, We are trading 3 players with term or most team control for 3 players that will most likley end up UFA at the same time. We are not getting better, we creating a a big hole in the middle which we fixed by sending Laine and we get a winger that is maybe the third best winger on the team. I see why you as a canuck-fan likes it, beacuse you are trading all your headaches away and get players with term back.

 

[CanadienShark]

Canucks are the clear winners.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I would still say this year is an outlier though. And it's not saying he's been good this year and bad the other 2 years. His scoring is up more this year comparatively. He's literally never had a season with this high of a ppg average. Hopefully he does this for many more seasons.

(ppg)
2019 - 1.04
2020 - .86
2021 - 1.19

overall NHL - .70

You're looking for a slight where there is none IMO. My point is that Miller's most recent season doesn't all of a sudden make him a more valuable asset than Scheifele, especially with Scheifele's extra year on his contract. At best they're a wash.

So with Miller and Scheifele a wash at best, Pionk and Dumba being a wash at best and maybe worse for the Jets considering contracts, it leaves PLD for Boeser, which is not happening for Winnipeg.

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Progression for Miller really picked up when he came to the Canucks and realistically he has gotten better every year. If what you were saying is merely that he doesn't have more value than Sheifele then I completely agree, it is more of a wash for sure.

I also said that I don't think it's a good trade for the Jets, it would be lunacy for your team to give that up.

 

[Paddys Pub]

Canucks fan here.
We say yes! No take backs!
Any Canucks fan that turns this down is probably Simple Jack learning how to type.

Miller is either going to be an aging, extremely overpaid burden of a contract in 2-3 years, or we trade him ASAP and hope to make the best out of the return.
If you can somehow get Dubois, you take it and run, let alone adding a top RH dman.

Also, if we can land a 1st in a Boeser trade…. Might as well say yes.
That contract is going to SUCK.
Also, Canucks have sucked with this core for a while.
Time to shake it up.

 

[zcaptain]

Can you explain to me why this is good for Winnipeg, We are trading 3 players with term or most team control for 3 players that will most likley end up UFA at the same time. We are not getting better, we creating a a big hole in the middle which we fixed by sending Laine and we get a winger that is maybe the third best winger on the team. I see why you as a canuck-fan likes it, beacuse you are trading all your headaches away and get players with term back.

Well, first of all....the Canucks like making Teams stronger............see Calgary

But seriously, I do see your point, to some extent, but in saying that, the Canucks and the Jets are in similar spots, except your team is older, especially with Scheifelle and Hellebuyck getting older.........I am not saying they are old, but like the Canucks, who's key players are younger, Winnipeg is running out of time, and will not be moving any higher in the standings (the Canucks will be doing similar for different reasons.............

So I thought, this makes Winnipeg stronger, and would move them up the standings to compete with Calgary and Edmonton..........I think we are 3/4 years away.............

 

[howkie]

Well, first of all....the Canucks like making Teams stronger............see Calgary

But seriously, I do see your point, to some extent, but in saying that, the Canucks and the Jets are in similar spots, except your team is older, especially with Scheifelle and Hellebuyck getting older.........I am not saying they are old, but like the Canucks, who's key players are younger, Winnipeg is running out of time, and will not be moving any higher in the standings (the Canucks will be doing similar for different reasons.............

So I thought, this makes Winnipeg stronger, and would move them up the standings to compete with Calgary and Edmonton..........I think we are 3/4 years away.............

We are not getting stronger from this trade, we get worse short term and longterm. We just created a massive hole in the middle for no reason at all.

 

[57special]

Big pass from the canucks, we are not trading our best player away for this. Winnipeg and Minnesota needs to add more.

Dream on.

 

[TS Quint]

Canuck fans seem to want to believe that this year is what Miller is, (at least while they have this fantasy of unloading him) even if their GM seems to disagree.

They must also believe that Boeser is also what he is right now. A 48 point player with a long history of injuries. I don't even want this part time declining player as a UFA nevermind paying for him.

 

[Bruce Granville]

So, if Winnipeg and Minnesota don‘t like this, it has to be fair, right?

 

[Hunter368]

So, if Winnipeg and Minnesota don‘t like this, it has to be fair, right?

It has to be bad TBH

 

[Jumptheshark]

Stopped reading at canuck.com

 

[tyhee]

Miller being only slightly more valuable than Dumba is a completely absurd statement. Looking at the 1sts being traded in the most recent deadline, I don’t see how Boeser isn’t worth a mid late round 1st..

In the days before a salary cap and free agency and especially back when players were paid a smaller portion of revenues a trade could be judged purely on the future expected playing levels of the players involved, but as a Canucks fan it seems to me that aquiring Boeser's present contract and contract status is worth very little.

 

[Nickel eye Heel hers]

As a Jets fan, it's a hard no, from my perspective.
I could do a counter offer that would be equally as bad or insulting but I'm sure others already have.

 

[McSuper]

Just posted this on Canuck.com


I will give you a 3 way trade that may work................This is a hockey trade...................all teams deal with their own Cap issues!



Winnipeg trades .........Dubois + Scheifele + Pionk OUT: $17,000,000 for Miller , Boeser and Dumba IN: $17,250,000



Vancouver trades...... ..Miller + Boeser OUT: $11,125,000 for Dubois, Pionk and 2022- 1st IN: $10,875,000



Minni trades...................Dumba + 2022-1st OUT: $6,000,000 for Scheifele IN: $6,125,000

So Winnipeg trades their 2 top centres and Miller have coming back whom a soon to be UFA . Great trade for them . I am sure they would be jumping for joy to do this trade .

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Canuck fans seem to want to believe that this year is what Miller is, (at least while they have this fantasy of unloading him) even if their GM seems to disagree.

They must also believe that Boeser is also what he is right now. A 48 point player with a long history of injuries. I don't even want this part time declining player as a UFA nevermind paying for him.

Soooo the fact that he has been this player since we traded for him is irrelevant?
No just this year is important, the fact that he has 209 points in his last 195 games played, not important, maybe you want to believe so much that this year is a fluke that your not capable of being rational and seeing that it clearly isn't?

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Soooo the fact that he has been this player since we traded for him is irrelevant?
No just this year is important, the fact that he has 209 points in his last 195 games played, not important, maybe you want to believe so much that this year is a fluke that your not capable of being rational and seeing that it clearly isn't?

May as well keep him then. Fact is no way Jets trade both their 1-2 centres (one of whom is 23yrs old) for one year of Miller.

 

[TS Quint]

Soooo the fact that he has been this player since we traded for him is irrelevant?
No just this year is important, the fact that he has 209 points in his last 195 games played, not important, maybe you want to believe so much that this year is a fluke that your not capable of being rational and seeing that it clearly isn't?

Keep him and pay him then. But there's something there that seems to have a red flag for you GM and fans on this board

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Keep him and pay him then. But there's something there that seems to have a red flag for you GM and fans on this board

Our fanbase has stupid people in it, did you not know this?

Our GM is just a few months into the job and doesn't know enough yet, so what.

If Miller wants a deal around around 7-8 million over 5 or 6 years I gladly pay him.

None of what you said has anything to do with my original point though, so maybe stick to that?

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

May as well keep him then. Fact is no way Jets trade both their 1-2 centres (one of whom is 23yrs old) for one year of Miller.

Andddddd if you bothered to pay attention I completely agree, no chance in hell the Jets do that deal, my point had nothing to do with that, come on, reading comprehension can't be this hard, can it?

 

[Ciao]

You get the trade’s very best player. JT Miller and another scoring winger in Boeser.

You unload your increasingly unpopular 1C and a low end middle pair type in Pionk and replace with a Dumba guy in the same range of player as a defender. Lateral move defensively.

Only PLD is a real loss. And he’s replaced by a better player in JT Miller.

Still doesn’t solve Pegs real problem. Winnipeg doesn’t have a single defender worthy of top pair status. You don’t really have a number 3 either. Pegs D is a collection of 4 thru 7 types. When a Dumba or Pionk is your best defender, your collection of assets on defense… sucks.

A competitive NHL franchise would trade both of its first- and second-line centres without getting a top-line centre back?

That would completely gut any team you care to name.

Let me know when that kind of deal happens!

 

[TS Quint]

Our fanbase has stupid people in it, did you not know this?

Our GM is just a few months into the job and doesn't know enough yet, so what.

If Miller wants a deal around around 7-8 million over 5 or 6 years I gladly pay him.

None of what you said has anything to do with my original point though, so maybe stick to that?

If that is all you are willing to pay him you obviously don't believe he is anywhere near a 90+ point player.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

If that is all you are willing to pay him you obviously don't believe he is anywhere near a 90+ point player.

By all indications that is what he is asking for, maybe 8.5, so don't really see how that equates to me somehow not believing he is a 90+ point player, care to explain that?

 

[SUX2BU]

no

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Winnipeg trades .........Dubois + Scheifele + Pionk OUT: $17,000,000 for Miller , Boeser and Dumba IN: $17,250,000

the whole pt of trading miller and boeser is to open up cap space

 

[TS Quint]

By all indications that is what he is asking for, maybe 8.5, so don't really see how that equates to me somehow not believing he is a 90+ point player, care to explain that?

Whose contract are you comparing him to?

You don't believe he is a 90+ point player if those are your salary expectations. The truth always comes out of over zelous posters when the money hits the table. Even if it's fantasy money that isn't even theirs. 7-8m is an absolute joke offer for a 90+point player. Unless no one believes that's what he is.

8.5m would be the Wheeler contract and he's a winger. If Miller really wants to stay there that's where it starts considering Miller can play at Center (correct me if I'm wrong on that one).

Get that fake money wallet out and start thinking more like 9m+ for 7 or 8 years. At least if you really believe he is legit.