Proposal: Vancouver - Toronto
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Canucks would do this in a heart beat.
No chance AM would not stay if traded to Vancouver, Canucks would give him a fortune.
No chance AM would not stay if traded to Vancouver, Canucks would give him a fortune.
Magic Man
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Jonathan Tanner Miller (50% retained - 2.625M) + (Pre-negotiated extension - 9.25Mx5Yrs)
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William Nylander + Rasmus Sandin
The deal would be done when JT is eligible to sign an extension, so he can freely sign, but he doesn't re-sign in Vancouver because of the retention in year #1.
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William Nylander + Rasmus Sandin
The deal would be done when JT is eligible to sign an extension, so he can freely sign, but he doesn't re-sign in Vancouver because of the retention in year #1.
That's just as bad as when it was offered earlier. Nylander is more cap heavy, can only play wing, is tissue paper soft compared to Miller, produces less, doesn't PK nearly as often, while not slower I can't say Nylander is faster than Miller. And is only signed an extra year, which Toronto fans made clear is worth nothing, and is a whopping three years younger than Miller.
Keep him and look elsewhere, please.
Which team will have 14 to 15 million in cap space and have the ability to ice a competitive playoff roster, maybe 1 or 2 teams Ducks or Kings and even that is a stretch.
Hoglander
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We need RHD's, physical middle of the lineup players, and capspace. Easy pass from Van
UglyPuckling
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So, the Leafs are going to give him an extension before his NTC kicks in this summer? What do you think his next contract will look like - $14 m X 8 years?
BlueBaron
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Maybe 15 He might cut us some slack to have a deeper team but we can't rely on that.
UglyPuckling
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OK, just wondered what some of the fans thought. I take it Dubas won't wait until the
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We get worse on defense, take on more cap space when it's already in disarray thanks to the last management regime, get worse draft pick and while we upgrade our top six center position, which we're already overloaded on.
This would be like moving Rielly, Muzzin and/or Brodie for more expensive RWs or Cs for Toronto. Even winning the trade in a vacuum, the team gets much worse.
Context is incredibly important, as is basic empathy here.
BlueBaron
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He can't extend him until the 1rst day of the last year of his contract but CJ says they are already in communication about the subject.
Sorry I don't understand what his NTC has to do with it.
It just doesn’t make sense for us. Matthew’s is of course the best player in the deal, and would definitely be an awesome grab, but there are a lot of reasons not to do this:
- Riley is too old for our core.
- We add about 6mil in cap space that we don’t have.
- I’m not confident Matthew’s will re-sign, and he’s a UFA in 2 years. He also has a NMC in the last year of his deal, so if he didn’t re-sign, we wouldn’t even be able to get a max. return.
- I’m not sure we can afford both Pettersson and Matthews long term. Both of these guys are going to command top dollar on their next deals.
- I think Hughes is a special player, and while I certainly know that Matthews has more value and is better, I probably value Hughes more than some people might.
- From a points perspective this doesn’t get us much further ahead.
It just doesn’t make sense for us. We’d be better off trading Miller for some younger pieces and moving forward methodically.
I've been trying to wrap my head around this way of thinking, and I just can't seem to do it.
We obviously kiss off Hughes and Miller, so then who else do we move (dump, really) to make room for Matthews?
OEL should be a non-starter if we no longer have Hughes and are bringing in Rielly (we have nothing of any significance defensively at the moment otherwise). Maybe Dermott? I didn't like him coming in, and he's done nothing to change my stance. OEL has the whole NMC thing, and I think Rielly is going to be more offensive focused then even Hughes, so without OEL we don't have many shutdown options, especially on the left hand side.
Myers would be the D to go, but again, who do we have on the right side with out him? Schenn, Poolman and Burroughs? Sub-par D gets even worse there.
Garland or Boeser would definitely be gone too then, with no salary allowed to come back, and we don't look great unless everyone on the team improves tremendously from last year:
Pettersson-Matthews-Boeser/Garland
Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin
Pearson-Dickinson-Petan
Dowling-Lammikko-Highmore
OEL-Myers
Rielly-Schenn
Rathbone-Dermott
Burroughs, Poolman
That gives us 5.8 million to fix the team (assuming it's Garland that stays or Boeser somehow signs a rate similar to 5 million/season some how), barring other moves to make more cap space. As a best case scenario salary cap wise, it's just not good enough. If we're then selling off further assets (Boeser/Garland not withstanding), our team is no longer competing, so it's not going to be worth backing up a dump truck full of money to keep Matthews when his contract expires if we're still rebuilding, which I honestly think we might be at that point going down this path.
Help me out though here, buddy, while we're not always on the same page, we can usually communicate our point of views effectively to each other. Am I missing something? Or am I just still viewing this situation as overly pessimistic? How do we fix the rest of the roster, while still remaining competitive (why acquire Matthews otherwise?) with less than 6 million, without surrendering even more futures and burying ourselves deeper?
UglyPuckling
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Matthews has a NMC that kicks in for 2023-24. If the Leafs can't get Matthews extended, and the NMC kicks in, I think you know what the implications of that could be.
BlueBaron
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Sorry. I don't see that as an outcome. He loves being a Leaf and wants to be here. HF wants to believe otherwise but there is 0 reason to consider it much risk. All evidence points to a long career here. You guys can worry for us but I think you are wasting your time. Matthews is the only player of his ilk that HF expects to move but its just wishful thinking and getting boring fast.
If you hate the Leafs or not it shouldn't be too hard to imagine a superstar waiting to be in the biggest market and take ownership of an O6 record book while getting maximum opportunity for exposure and extra income.
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I think it's highly unlikely Matthews goes to free agency. Dubas is going to open the vault (again) and unless #34 loses all faith in this organization to win he has no real motivation to move.
And those just assuming that since he was born under the hot sun of Arizona he'll move back south at the first chance he gets, consider he gave up playing baseball (you know, an outside sport, in Arizona) to play inside on a frozen rink.
And those just assuming that since he was born under the hot sun of Arizona he'll move back south at the first chance he gets, consider he gave up playing baseball (you know, an outside sport, in Arizona) to play inside on a frozen rink.
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The only Matthews deal the Leafs do has Connor McDavid coming back [which obviously is not happening].
Its okay to admit that Matthews is a super star guys, the anti-Leaf movement isn't going to harass you
Its okay to admit that Matthews is a super star guys, the anti-Leaf movement isn't going to harass you
I'd love to dog pile on Leafs fans for overvaluing their guy. Unfortunately this isn't the thread I could do it.
This is lopsided to Vancouver and it's hilarious they pretend this isn't.
This is lopsided to Vancouver and it's hilarious they pretend this isn't.
