Looney Toonies
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It's funny how they're talking about obnoxious arrogance, and yet they're still throwing cheap shots 2 weeks later. What a joke.
Vancouver Sun: Burke possesses the fatal flaw of character - obnoxious arrogance
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We'd be talking about a very different Burke legacy if, as planned, he'd been able to sign the Sedins. Unfortunately, he didn't have a plan B, so his view of where the team was and should be hinged on something that didn't end up happening.
Had lots of success in other arenas, full credit for that, but was a washout in free agency and failed to properly adjust expectations accordingly.
Had lots of success in other arenas, full credit for that, but was a washout in free agency and failed to properly adjust expectations accordingly.
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The way half the fanbase goes into Mother Hen mode over any negative word over a GM who didn't win that many games, who didn't overhaul the team to the point where it's poised to make a leap in the standings is frankly astounding.
The article is overstated in the sense that it portrays Burke as an arrogant man who didn't listen to anybody else. I think that's false given the number of hockey men he surrounded himself with. But the public persona did have an air of confidence to the point of arrogance. Burke was often too stubborn and fought with the media to deny that he made mistakes (Seguin pick was a 'calculated risk') when in fact he would have been better served by just being quiet.
The article is overstated in the sense that it portrays Burke as an arrogant man who didn't listen to anybody else. I think that's false given the number of hockey men he surrounded himself with. But the public persona did have an air of confidence to the point of arrogance. Burke was often too stubborn and fought with the media to deny that he made mistakes (Seguin pick was a 'calculated risk') when in fact he would have been better served by just being quiet.
LOL Burke was fired like two weeks ago...the article was useless and irrelevant to what is going on in the NHL. Why write about a man who hasn't been heard from in a while..don't you think there is a bigger story like sayyyyy the goaltending situation?
Although the firing was not handled as professionally as it should have been (the timing sucked), Burke deserved to be fired by the Leafs. However I will be grateful that he left the team in relatively good shape cap wise going forward which included resisting taking on the Luongo contract.
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If the Vancouver Sun is anything like the Toronto Sun (which I assume it is), then a pre-schooler can write better journalism.
Slow day in Vancouver news again? I guess when their fanbase isn't busy burning down the city, there's not much to write about...
Vancouver has their own NHL team (although they sure don't look like one at the moment). Maybe the Sun should focus on them instead.
Vancouver has their own NHL team (although they sure don't look like one at the moment). Maybe the Sun should focus on them instead.
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What purpose does this article serve? Burke left Vancouver years ago and was fired by the Leafs before the season (and everybody took their shots in then).
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I honestly cant believe that Leaf fans defend Burke. I'm not a TML fan but follow the team closely and I would be happy hes gone as a fan. He talked about his truculent teams and left after how long with one of the softer teams going. He made a couple awesome trades (Gardiner espsecially) but also made some god awful signings (Komi, Connolly) and jumped the gun on the rebuild. Kessel could walk soon as a UFA cant he? Meanwhile Seguin as early as this year may contribute more then Kessel.
A lot of my friends are Leaf fans and say he left the organization with abetter prospect pool then when he got there. But he inherited a terrible prospect pool and team, in the amount of time he was in Toronto of course it would get a bit better, but did he make it better then someone else could've? I doubt it
Im a Lions fan so I know what its like, the Lions fired Millen and now Mayhew has made the team better. But its time for him to put up or shut up because anyone could've improved that team. Burke didnt take the next step necessary
A lot of my friends are Leaf fans and say he left the organization with abetter prospect pool then when he got there. But he inherited a terrible prospect pool and team, in the amount of time he was in Toronto of course it would get a bit better, but did he make it better then someone else could've? I doubt it
Im a Lions fan so I know what its like, the Lions fired Millen and now Mayhew has made the team better. But its time for him to put up or shut up because anyone could've improved that team. Burke didnt take the next step necessary
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He moved Versteeg because the human turnstile told him to....same as Aulie and Schenn.
His down fall was that he failed to deliver on his promises......and his attitude was arrogant.....I have no problem with that attitude as long as you back it up with results......he talked the talk, but did not walk the walk...so he was removed....as he should have been.
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Burke, by most accounts, is a standup guy who is a good friend to have. I'm not a fan of people praising Burke for being "loyal" to his players. First of all, while loyalty is nice, I think it should only be reserved for select players who have earned it. Other times, players should be evaluated strictly on performance, potential, and costs. I prefer to say that Burke "treats" his players well. Is Burke loyal? He's loyal enough to personally drive a player to the airport if his asking price is deemed too high.
I think Burke did let his success in Anaheim get to his head. Fact is Burke has always been about building through the draft and preaching patience and cost consciousness. But Burke was like how Glen Sather was when he took over the Rangers. He believed he was the best GM in the league and his blueprint would simply work. But let's not take anything away from Burke. Burke rebuilt the Canucks, but ultimately couldn't add the final pieces (secondary scoring and goaltending). In Anaheim, Burke's big moves paved the way for the Ducks to win the Cup. Burke thought he could do what he did in Anaheim when the team was more similar to the Canucks team he first took over.
I think Burke did let his success in Anaheim get to his head. Fact is Burke has always been about building through the draft and preaching patience and cost consciousness. But Burke was like how Glen Sather was when he took over the Rangers. He believed he was the best GM in the league and his blueprint would simply work. But let's not take anything away from Burke. Burke rebuilt the Canucks, but ultimately couldn't add the final pieces (secondary scoring and goaltending). In Anaheim, Burke's big moves paved the way for the Ducks to win the Cup. Burke thought he could do what he did in Anaheim when the team was more similar to the Canucks team he first took over.
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Burke is his own worst enemy, as he tends to attract negative attention on himself for his own actions.
As a BC resident, I'm very familiar with Burke, having had to endure him when he was with Vancouver in the past.
If nothing else Burke clings to his convictions and claims "he will not change" and that is what got him let go and unemployed by 2 organizations already.
As a BC resident, I'm very familiar with Burke, having had to endure him when he was with Vancouver in the past.
If nothing else Burke clings to his convictions and claims "he will not change" and that is what got him let go and unemployed by 2 organizations already.
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Quite possibly Kesler as well. I think it can be reasonably inferred that Burke's loyalty anticipated like loyalty in return.
Good point though, signed Sedins (and possibly Kesler) put an entirely different complexion on the situation.
Bingo...jacka$$ done. He sucked. Its only the Burke fanbois still crying. Good riddance to the blowhard. The Vancouver paper has hit the nail on the head. No hindsight. Many people were saying the very same thing on these boards. What kind of jackass sits in a press conference and tells the public "he doesn't care what fans think"...What a goof. MLSE did the right thing. Probably the first time in 20 years.
Some people talk about Burke's "loyalty" but what it really is is an unwillingness to admit you're wrong.
I mean, come on, Dan Cloutier in Vancouver is the perfect example. He refused to get a new goalie. I'm sure there are other cases, I've read a few good articles about what he did in BC but that's the one as an outsider that made me think years ago that he was inept.
Then he comes to Toronto and brings in all his Anaheim rehash buddies in Beauchemin, Giguere, May, etc.
I mean, come on, Dan Cloutier in Vancouver is the perfect example. He refused to get a new goalie. I'm sure there are other cases, I've read a few good articles about what he did in BC but that's the one as an outsider that made me think years ago that he was inept.
Then he comes to Toronto and brings in all his Anaheim rehash buddies in Beauchemin, Giguere, May, etc.
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Those of us who seem to be wondering why we're still talking about Brian Burke a couple of weeks after his firing seem to be the same good folks who brought up JFJ in almost every Burke discussion for the last four years, or am I crazy?
Are we allowed to discuss the former general managers who have effected/affected this club while discussing the Leafs or not?
Are we allowed to discuss the former general managers who have effected/affected this club while discussing the Leafs or not?
Somebody over at the Vancouver Sun has definitely been hitting that legendary BC "greenery" pretty hard. What I don'y get is why they would even care in the first place. Did Burke kick their dog or something?
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