Proposal: Vancouver - LA (Proposal) at the draft

[Kurrilino]

Of course I see the difference. But LA has a long history of absolutely f***ing wasting high-value prospects. Miller will likely contribute more to LA next year than Vilardi and Faber ever will for us. That's just the bottom line.



Miller's cap hit is $5.25. Brown and Quick make a combined $11,675,000. Olli Maatta, Alex Edler, and Andreas Athanasiou make a combined $9,533,225. You make room for a guy like him.

Kempe - Miller - Kaliyev
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Iafallo - Kopitar - Brown
Lemieux - Lizotte - Grundstrom

Anderson - Doughty
Durzi - Roy
Spence - Clarke

That roster's no joke.

I'm not saying it's what I want, but do we really see LA getting the most out of guys like Vilardi, Turcotte, Kupari, or Byfield anymore?

I don't know man... this seems a little bit too optimistic for my taste.
Sure this roster is no joke but will still be slaughtered in any playoff series against a serious team.

The roster is still build around a core that has proven not to be able to win anymore.
The defense is slow and undersized and the offense won't score s single goal.
While our 2nd line looks good compared to our 1st line, it is not even remotely close to be a contender against other top teams. Not having a 1st line is also not helping

Year 2 after your shopping trip will look like that

Iafallo - Kopitar - Kempe
xxx - Danault - Arvidson
xxx - Byfield - xxx
Lemieux - Lizotte - Kaliev

Anderson - Doughty
xxx - Clarke
xxx - Roy

So basically we end up with a worse team than we started with the only difference, we traded away our futures to fill 1 year of mediocre hockey


I am absolutely convinced we do not go anywhere with our senior citizen core.
So let's ride them out, develop our youngster in the farm with a couple of call ups and go from there

This is not the time for panic moves, we will judge our youngsters when they are 24-25

 

[Diaspora]

And I believe that young LHD should be Mattias Samuelsson.... RHD for LHD

Not for sale.

 

[Guitpik]

I'm not saying it's what I want, but do we really see LA getting the most out of guys like Vilardi, Turcotte, Kupari, or Byfield anymore?

There is no way Blake signs on for this. He will live or die with those players. And, we haven''t given them near enough of an opportunity at the pro level. These players need more time on ice to develop their game. I'd be willing to bet that Blake will see that they get it.

 

[howkie]

Im not an expert, but if you wanna be sure to sign Boeser to a longterm deal you need to do it before you sending him the QO, beacuse he could just accept it and go straight to UFA beacuse he has no reason to go to arbitration.
Or I´m missing something?

 

[Canuck Luck]

Im not an expert, but if you wanna be sure to sign Boeser to a longterm deal you need to do it before you sending him the QO, beacuse he could just accept it and go straight to UFA beacuse he has no reason to go to arbitration.
Or I´m missing something?

you are missing the fact a team does not have to qualify Boeser if they file for team elected arbitration instead. At that point, the team and player can negotiate a contract and sign before the hearing, however once the hearing is held, the only contract that can be signed is for the amount the arbitrator decides. Minimum is 85% of what Boeser made last season (6.375M) with it being Boeser's choice of 1 or 2 years, The Canucks can either choose to take it or walk and make Boeser a UFA at that point.

 

[howkie]

you are missing the fact a team does not have to qualify Boeser if they file for team elected arbitration instead. At that point, the team and player can negotiate a contract and sign before the hearing, however once the hearing is held, the only contract that can be signed is for the amount the arbitrator decides. Minimum is 85% of what Boeser made last season (6.375M) with it being Boeser's choice of 1 or 2 years, The Canucks can either choose to take it or walk and make Boeser a UFA at that point.

So in short, Boeser has all the leverage, he can be UFA within 1 year if does not like what he gets offerd or traded to a team he does not want to play for, spicey.

 

[Canuck Luck]

So in short, Boeser has all the leverage, he can be UFA within 1 year if does not like what he gets offerd or traded to a team he does not want to play for, spicey.

Not really because he has no control where he’s traded to as that’s usually the outcome if it gets to the point where the arbitrator decides the figure. From there I’d wager good money he does not get a penny over the 6.375M. If an arbitrator hears his case and offers 6.375M for 1 year, is it worth risking guaranteed salary on a team and city you actually love being in if the teams over is something like 6-8 years x 6.25M?

 

[unicornpig]

Well, that is a fair offer..................

We will go with Iafallo and Spence for Boeser

i wouldn't trade spence alone for boeser.....

 

[Kurrilino]

i wouldn't trade spence alone for boeser.....

May i ask why not?

This was a more than fair offer

 

[unicornpig]

May i ask why not?

This was a more than fair offer

its going to be hard considering you dont think arvidsson is a top 6 forward. boesers qualifying offer will be 7.5 million. can the kings sign him long term for less, yes but it is still a gamble. secondly spence will overtake the best RD behind dougthy next year. kid is far more defensively responsible then durzi, and has better puck movement the roy.

 

[Kurrilino]

its going to be hard considering you dont think arvidsson is a top 6 forward. boesers qualifying offer will be 7.5 million. can the kings sign him long term for less, yes but it is still a gamble. secondly spence will overtake the best RD behind dougthy next year. kid is far more defensively responsible then durzi, and has better puck movement the roy.

We have great defenders coming up.
The offensive parts are already covered by Doughty, Clarke and Durzi.
What we need are towering defenders who can skate and kill.

Grans is looking promising, Bjornfoot and Anderson seem to be set as well.
I just don't see the space a for an undersized player like Spence

 

[kinghock]

We have great defenders coming up.
The offensive parts are already covered by Doughty, Clarke and Durzi.
What we need are towering defenders who can skate and kill.

Grans is looking promising, Bjornfoot and Anderson seem to be set as well.
I just don't see the space a for an undersized player like Spence

Undersized player like Spence is much better player comparing to Durzi.

He is undersized, bur he is really smart and he is great skater.

Durzi is not very smart and is not a good skater either.

 

[go4hockey]

We have great defenders coming up.
The offensive parts are already covered by Doughty, Clarke and Durzi.
What we need are towering defenders who can skate and kill.

Grans is looking promising, Bjornfoot and Anderson seem to be set as well.
I just don't see the space a for an undersized player like Spence

It’s simple to me. Keep Spence and move Durzi.

 

[Fat Elvis]

It’s simple to me. Keep Spence and move Durzi.

This

Sure Durzi has shown some offense, but man is he rough defensively. He has some value and LA should take advantage of that value to shore up LHD, wing or in goal.

 

[Ghetty Green]

This

Sure Durzi has shown some offense, but man is he rough defensively. He has some value and LA should take advantage of that value to shore up LHD, wing or in goal.

I have a bad feeling about Durzi against McDrai round 1

 

[zcaptain]

OK guys, there is no doubt that LA is in the drivers seat with the RHD's you have...........but you have too many!

I am going to throw it at you a little differently................

Boeser or Garland.....................for one of.............Spence, Grans, Faber and Iafallo

 

[kinghock]

OK guys, there is no doubt that LA is in the drivers seat with the RHD's you have...........but you have too many!

I am going to throw it at you a little differently................

Boeser or Garland.....................for one of.............Spence, Grans, Faber and Iafallo

Boeser you can keep.

Spence and Faber are not available for Garland or Boeser

Garland for Iafallo and Grans is best and final offer

 

[zcaptain]

I marvel at the Kings fans conviction.............

It is not that none of them will not be solid good/great players, but the reality is that most prospects turn out to be less than advertised.

I am 100% behind Clarke developing into a #1 Offensive Defenseman and being everything he has been advertised to be. (A solid LA pick at the draft).

However, none of your other picks would be considered "Blue Chip"

Boeser or Garland do not have the value of a "Blue Chip" a bonified RHD starting Dman, but all the rest of your defensemen, outside of Doughty of course, do not carry the same pedigree, nor value.

I totally get the excitement and the over valuation, as part of the unknown, of exactly how good they "Could" be,
But to think at this point that any of your none "Blue Chip" has the same value as either Boeser or Garland, both of who are bonified first/second line players, with high proven NHL careers, is just silly, which I find is common on these boards.

Both Canuck players have different skill sets, which separate themselves from each other, but both have more value an average journeyman.

You guys certainly have time to evaluate your players more, and I would not blame you, but you will have to move on from some of them sooner or later..........we would like to be part of that process..........

So, if we are negotiating, fine,but whether it is a Canuck fan or a fan from another team, you will have to be a little more real!

But, it is certainly a nice bunch of RHD players you have.

 

[Luck 6]

I don’t think it would moreso you aren’t comfortable paying a 50 point winger at his worst and 70 point at his best a couple hundred thousand over 6M.

Looking at capfriendly, the only king up for a more than modest raise if any raise is kempe. Even if he got a 100% raise to 4M, that would leave the kings with just under 17.3M in cap space with 15 players signed. Let’s say boeser eats 6.263M. That leaves the kings with 11M to fill in 4 roster spots and 3 reserve spots to get to a 23 man roster.

As a Canuck fan, I don’t even want to be trading boeser since he’s going to be signed to a very fair market deal that is more likely to be a steal than it is to be a little over paid. I don’t think he will have many seasons as this 50 point player he was this season and will be more around the normal 60 points he averages. So unless he indicates he wants out, the only way I would trade boeser is if it’s for a similar scorer like fiala. Someone who brings speed to the lineup without losing much if any offence. That or we get an offer that we would be stupid to say no to.

Agreed - If we can get Boeser at 6.3mil long term then we should be signing him, not trading him. At that rate he’s likely to rebound even marginally and start looking like an undervalued contract.

I know he hasn’t looked great this season, but he also hasn’t looked terrible. He’s on pace for 53 points with 26 goals. I actually liked how he looked last season with Pettersson out as well.

I would be fine with trading him too if the value was there, but I wouldn’t sell him for nothing.

 

[kinghock]

I marvel at the Kings fans conviction.............

It is not that none of them will not be solid good/great players, but the reality is that most prospects turn out to be less than advertised.

I am 100% behind Clarke developing into a #1 Offensive Defenseman and being everything he has been advertised to be. (A solid LA pick at the draft).

However, none of your other picks would be considered "Blue Chip"

Boeser or Garland do not have the value of a "Blue Chip" a bonified RHD starting Dman, but all the rest of your defensemen, outside of Doughty of course, do not carry the same pedigree, nor value.

I totally get the excitement and the over valuation, as part of the unknown, of exactly how good they "Could" be,
But to think at this point that any of your none "Blue Chip" has the same value as either Boeser or Garland, both of who are bonified first/second line players, with high proven NHL careers, is just silly, which I find is common on these boards.

Both Canuck players have different skill sets, which separate themselves from each other, but both have more value an average journeyman.

You guys certainly have time to evaluate your players more, and I would not blame you, but you will have to move on from some of them sooner or later..........we would like to be part of that process..........

So, if we are negotiating, fine,but whether it is a Canuck fan or a fan from another team, you will have to be a little more real!

But, it is certainly a nice bunch of RHD players you have.

Please keep your bonified first/second line players (Boeser or Garland) in Vancouver.

They are not in big need for LA.

Kings will be looking to spent their assets on young elite level goalie and LD.

 

[Kurrilino]

I marvel at the Kings fans conviction.............

It is not that none of them will not be solid good/great players, but the reality is that most prospects turn out to be less than advertised.

I am 100% behind Clarke developing into a #1 Offensive Defenseman and being everything he has been advertised to be. (A solid LA pick at the draft).

However, none of your other picks would be considered "Blue Chip"

Boeser or Garland do not have the value of a "Blue Chip" a bonified RHD starting Dman, but all the rest of your defensemen, outside of Doughty of course, do not carry the same pedigree, nor value.

I totally get the excitement and the over valuation, as part of the unknown, of exactly how good they "Could" be,
But to think at this point that any of your none "Blue Chip" has the same value as either Boeser or Garland, both of who are bonified first/second line players, with high proven NHL careers, is just silly, which I find is common on these boards.

Both Canuck players have different skill sets, which separate themselves from each other, but both have more value an average journeyman.

You guys certainly have time to evaluate your players more, and I would not blame you, but you will have to move on from some of them sooner or later..........we would like to be part of that process..........

So, if we are negotiating, fine,but whether it is a Canuck fan or a fan from another team, you will have to be a little more real!

But, it is certainly a nice bunch of RHD players you have.

I really appreciate your offer to be part of that.
But we only give up high end assets for players we really need.
Right now i don't see a single player on the Canucks roster that fits our needs, age or price group.
You guys have a little bit of everything but nothing really interesting.

There is still the Boeser for Iafallo + Spence offer

 

[Kurrilino]

Boeser you can keep.

Spence and Faber are not available for Garland or Boeser

Garland for Iafallo and Grans is best and final offer

Garland is an Iafallo clone or the other way around.
Why the hell would we offer Grans as well?

Grans is one of the few prospects we really need in our lineup.
He has the size and mobility we are lacking

 

[kinghock]

Garland is an Iafallo clone or the other way around.
Why the hell would we offer Grans as well?

Grans is one of the few prospects we really need in our lineup.
He has the size and mobility we are lacking

In my opinion Garland is > Iafallo

He is more physical and better skater.

 

[kinghock]

I really appreciate your offer to be part of that.
But we only give up high end assets for players we really need.
Right now i don't see a single player on the Canucks roster that fits our needs, age or price group.
You guys have a little bit of everything but nothing really interesting.

There is still the Boeser for Iafallo + Spence offer

I do not believe that you will find another Kings fan that will trade Spence here.

Also, Kings do not need Boeser

 

[Kurrilino]

I do not believe that you will find another Kings fan that will trade Spence here.

Also, Kings do not need Boeser

My intentions are not so much trading for Boeser, it's to get rid of Iafallo.
This guys got the buddy bonus forced on the Kings organization by players who are in no way
in the future plans of the Los Angeles Kings.

Boeser would be an upgrade over Iafallo though.
My problem with Spence is that he has horrible shooting skills paired with a playstyle that requires accurate shooting.