Proposal: Vancouver - Carolina
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Nikishin Go Boom
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Canes instantly dismiss that
Hronek isn’t worth it
Just buyout kk instead if taking on mikheyev’s bad deal
No interest in moving morrow now
Hronek isn’t worth it
Just buyout kk instead if taking on mikheyev’s bad deal
No interest in moving morrow now
Diamonddog01
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You sort our your second pairing RD for the next 7 / 8 years, and he will most likely be moved to your first pairing once Burns is done. Although the amount is small, you think having KK on the books for the next decade is preferable to 2 years?
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Diamonddog01
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I don't think I've seen an American fanbase overrate their players as much as Canes fans. I'm largely going off of rumours from this site:
Friedman: - Canes likely moving on from Necas.
On 32 thoughts Friedman said Carolina is unlikely to pay Necas what he's going to want on a new deal, if that's the case he's done in Carolina. I can't help but wonder where he ends up.
Rumor: - Dhaliwal: Canucks have called the Canes about Necas "They are very serious about acquiring him"
I wrote that a "trade could still happen." There are just more interesting fits leaguewide, imo. Nashville makes a lot of sense and has futures depth. Utah has interesting pieces, now and future. Buffalo has such a deep asset pool that it has to be mentioned in any individual player...
To add to that, Carolina isn't resigning DeAngelo and Burns is 39 years old. So explain why Carolina doesn't consider this?
spockBokk
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The buyout option means the Canes don’t need to pay or take on a bad asset to be rid of Kotkaniemi. How is this so hard to understand?
Hronek 1-1 for Necas might be of interest. Personally, I don’t see it as the Canes don’t need another offensively minded RD with Burns and Morrow under contract.
You mention the Canes need D, so why are they trading their most promising RD?
Makes no sense for CAR.
Mikeyev is rumored to be a buyout candidate himself. Why on earth do you think the Canes would take on his contract for Kotkaniemi when they can themselves buy out Kotkaniemi very cheaply?I don't think I've seen an American fanbase overrate their players as much as Canes fans. I'm largely going off of rumours from this site:
Friedman: - Canes likely moving on from Necas.
On 32 thoughts Friedman said Carolina is unlikely to pay Necas what he's going to want on a new deal, if that's the case he's done in Carolina. I can't help but wonder where he ends up.forums.hfboards.com
Rumor: - Dhaliwal: Canucks have called the Canes about Necas "They are very serious about acquiring him"
I wrote that a "trade could still happen." There are just more interesting fits leaguewide, imo. Nashville makes a lot of sense and has futures depth. Utah has interesting pieces, now and future. Buffalo has such a deep asset pool that it has to be mentioned in any individual player...
To add to that, Carolina isn't resigning DeAngelo and Burns is 39 years old. So explain why Carolina doesn't consider this?
The buyout option means the Canes don’t need to pay or take on a bad asset to be rid of Kotkaniemi. How is this so hard to understand?
Hronek 1-1 for Necas might be of interest. Personally, I don’t see it as the Canes don’t need another offensively minded RD with Burns and Morrow under contract.
You mention the Canes need D, so why are they trading their most promising RD?
Makes no sense for CAR.
Have you never seen a Canadian fanbase overrate their guys?
I don't think I've seen an American fanbase overrate their players as much as Canes fans. I'm largely going off of rumours from this site:
Friedman: - Canes likely moving on from Necas.
On 32 thoughts Friedman said Carolina is unlikely to pay Necas what he's going to want on a new deal, if that's the case he's done in Carolina. I can't help but wonder where he ends up.
Rumor: - Dhaliwal: Canucks have called the Canes about Necas "They are very serious about acquiring him"
I wrote that a "trade could still happen." There are just more interesting fits leaguewide, imo. Nashville makes a lot of sense and has futures depth. Utah has interesting pieces, now and future. Buffalo has such a deep asset pool that it has to be mentioned in any individual player...
To add to that, Carolina isn't resigning DeAngelo and Burns is 39 years old. So explain why Carolina doesn't consider this?
Diamonddog01
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Second question - because Carolina is in win now mode and they'll have one top 4 RD approaching 40 next year? I am open to other options regarding making up the difference...
The KK buyout, which admittedly is neglibble, would be on the books for a decade, vs either two years of a high AAV or 4 years of a similar buyout cost (or 2 years if they wait a year to do it).
I get not wanting to give up Morrow as we are in the same boat with Willander, but I really don't see how you don't think the rest makes sense for the Canes.
Of course, and much more so than the American fanbases. Which is why I specified that.
Who cares if the KK buyout is on the books for a decade? It is meaningless amount as a percentage of the cap now and its % of the cap is only going to decrease in the future.
Diamonddog01
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Because the Mikheyev buyout is only a tad more and is much shorter? And owners care about things like that? I highly doubt anyone thinks KK is a better cap dump than Mikheyev given their respective contract lengths.
spockBokk
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Burns still plays effectively in the top 4.
There are a number of RD UFAs available this summer.
The Canes can, in fact, look to trade Necas for another RD or better yet, another forward.
You act like they have to trade him to Vancouver.
Diamonddog01
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Burns is 39...how many years do you think he has left? There is DeMelo, Tanev (also getting long in the tooth and will sign with either Dallas or Vancouver) and Pesce who you don't want to re-sign and that's about it. I missed Roy...so one guy who you realistically have a shot at?
I don't think you will get a top pairing RD better than Hronek for a 2nd line winger, and that would be a shocking trade without precent in the NHL. I don't think they have to trade Necas to Vancouver at all, but Vancouver is reportedly interested. I do think you are being wildly unrealistic if you think you are getting Makar fo Necas however.
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Diamonddog01
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Um sure. It looks like a top 4 RD is a need so I think that would be a good option for Carolina, but they could trade him for picks and prospects - absolutely.
spockBokk
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Sure it’s a need, but Hronek is likely not the answer.
And again, your original proposal is awful for CAR.
Don’t bother with Canes fans tbh - most on this board are so biased it hurts.I don't think I've seen an American fanbase overrate their players as much as Canes fans. I'm largely going off of rumours from this site:
Friedman: - Canes likely moving on from Necas.
On 32 thoughts Friedman said Carolina is unlikely to pay Necas what he's going to want on a new deal, if that's the case he's done in Carolina. I can't help but wonder where he ends up.
Rumor: - Dhaliwal: Canucks have called the Canes about Necas "They are very serious about acquiring him"
I wrote that a "trade could still happen." There are just more interesting fits leaguewide, imo. Nashville makes a lot of sense and has futures depth. Utah has interesting pieces, now and future. Buffalo has such a deep asset pool that it has to be mentioned in any individual player...
To add to that, Carolina isn't resigning DeAngelo and Burns is 39 years old. So explain why Carolina doesn't consider this?
Last year I said on their forum that Miller would make a great fit on their team. Most said they wouldn’t take him unless it’s for free and that the contract was an anchor.
Diamonddog01
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Perhaps if you actually had some sort of reasoning or argument you'd be a bit more credible. I think it's fair, but hey if you get Makar for an unsigned Necas I will buy you a bottle of booze, your choice.
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That's horrendous for Canes...KK >>>>>> Mikheyev, Morrow >>>>>>> Hoglander. And I'm just not sure Hronek is the piece we need on D with Burns/Morrow already on the right. KKs buyout is actually easier the Miks, and Necas/Hronek are probably similar value so no way in hell Morrow is in there
The guy with 2 professional games and a stagnating college career is way better than someone who scored 24 goals last year? Canes fans just aint got it .
Diamonddog01
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Sure lol. And I'm sure everyone agrees with you that Necas and Hronek hold similar value, 2nd line wingers are always equal in value to top 4 RD.
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No need to disparage Morrow. He would be the Canucks top prospect and we would be so horny for him if we just signed him out of ncaa.
Hoglander is valuable, but your take on Morrow is 2 minutes in the box for unnecessary roughness!
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Buenos Necas
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It's not just a top 4 RD, it's one demanding an $8m aav. You can't separate the value from the contract demands, otherwise he'd be staying in Vancouver.
I actually think the base of the trade is decently fair (Hronek/Mik for Necas/KK), but casually tossing in Morrow as the balancing piece nukes it. He's a top prospect and likely cracking the NHL lineup next year. Canes won't easily give up that kind of cost-controlled asset.
