Proposal: Vancouver - Boston

[Coach Parker]

The problem Coach Parker is, they actually don't see our guys that often......it is 10 pm before the puck drops for 1/2 their viewing...…...I think I can give them some insight of who we would trade...it is a small list IMO

Sutter...…………..decent defensive forward, no hands, can play multiple positions, decent a Face Offs
Trade value: late 2nd. With cap retention 2nd+3rd

Granlund...…….. decent defensive forward...decent hands, can play multiple positions
Trade value: late 3rd. With cap retention 3rd + 7th

Schaller...………...I honestly have not seen a good shift from him, can't say what he does well, if anything
Trade Value: with Cap retention 5th

Pouliot...………….Plays both side, usually for both teams...….opinion playoff depth......AHL
Trade Value: with retention 5th


That is about it.....really!

PS...…..Goldobin has good value....not 1st round value, but he isn't going anywhere until we figure out what is happening with Baertschi...…...who I actually wanted to trade earlier in the year, but that's another story.
Note: Goldobin was a ranked prospect 2 years ago, and he earned a FT spot this year(not quite FT), but some of his piers that were ranked and still are on the lists, have not made it to the NHL.....so go figure! So don't be saying he doesn't have decent value........ignore the Trolls.

Solid posts and I'd agree with most but I don't see Sutter commanding a second at the moment. That sounds high for his production and cap hit.

To be clear, when I'm talking value I was talking about solving the winger situation for Horvat. Most of the guys you mentioned would garner a late pick on a team looking for rebuild depth (the sort of depth the current Canucks need). When the rebuild progresses yet again those players will be jettisoned for actual top six talent that have developed or are acquired.

I can't think of a single team that would part with their potential top six winger or prospect with top six winger skills for Goldobin. I see a guy who has the skills but lacks the effort and finish. He could make up a solid third line perhaps with Gaudette in 1-2 years but my focus was on talent in the Canucks system that was available for trade to get help for the 2nd line wing for Horvat. In that scenario I don't see any reason for the Canucks to part with any of the names I mentioned above in their system for that.

I also don't see a combination of any of the current lineup being able to trade a three nickels for a quarter trade.

The only one that makes sense is Virtanen in a pure hockey trade. A one for one for another player who has the potential, age, contract and skillset to play with Horvat.

So I believe the best think the Canucks could do would be scan the entire NHL for a one for one for Virtanen while he still holds value as a hockey trade for another prospect that could fit with Horvat. Possibly it's Puljajarvi (although those two don't make likely trade partners). But look for guys on the last year of their ELC's with more points than Virtanen or are also streaky like him but the value is there.

There is where I truly believe the Canucks can be in a win-win trade and still keep the entire future core, prospects and draft picks in place.

Cheers

 

[bruins4thecup65]

Replace Sutter and put Eriksson in the trade instead and Id be down. If they really want Sutter than Id want at least a 2nd round pick back

Replace Schiller for Virtanen and you may have a deal.

Maybe.

 

[Scott Stevens]

Replace Schiller for Virtanen and you may have a deal.

Maybe.

Why don’t you go walk really far off of short pier? Ha ha ha jk

 

[WJCJ]

This would be a bad deal for Boston. Vancouver just gets the best of this deal by a mile. Boston does not need more 4th liners and they aren't going to give up better players to get those 4th line players that they don't need. Sutter and Schaller are both overpaid as well.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Gaudette, Hughes, EP40, Boeser, Horvat, the three goalies. I also like Woo and Lind. All of these guys we'd both agree are part of the future and along with the 1st round pick (and any other draft picks this year) aren't available. They are part of the future in Vancouver.

It's the current NHL talent on the roster outside of these guys that I believe don't hold much value at all to other teams. Goldobin can't even keep in the lineup. Same for Baertschi. Virtanen was sat before the break but I believe that was Green's tough love approach and wanting him to get back to playing a more determined game.

Do you as a fan see Sven, Goldobin or Virtanen as the real solid answer on Horvat's line? Or are they stopgaps until a legitimate winger or prospect emerges?

I'd add Dahlen and Jasek as well. Baertschi's issue is injuries. When he's healthy he's been solid with Bo he just can't stay on the ice. No I don't see any of them as the answer but going pack to the original point I don't see Heinen as the answer either. The eventual long run will have

X-Horvat-Boeser
Dahlen-Pettersson-X.

Will those X's be guys outside the org? Or will those X's be current players in the realm of Lind, Jasek, Lockwood, Palmu, Leivo etc? Hard to say. Wouldn't be surprised to see them take a big run at Mark Stone

 

[Coach Parker]

I'd add Dahlen and Jasek as well. Baertschi's issue is injuries. When he's healthy he's been solid with Bo he just can't stay on the ice. No I don't see any of them as the answer but going pack to the original point I don't see Heinen as the answer either. The eventual long run will have

X-Horvat-Boeser
Dahlen-Pettersson-X.

Will those X's be guys outside the org? Or will those X's be current players in the realm of Lind, Jasek, Lockwood, Palmu, Leivo etc? Hard to say. Wouldn't be surprised to see them take a big run at Mark Stone

I'm not sold on Dahlen either but I'm also not sold on JFK, Donato or Bjork yet as none have made that next step in forcing their teams to keep them up with the big clubs. I'd be surprised to see them split up Pettersson and Boeser. Dahlen with them could be good in a couple years if you see him making the jump. If that happens then the two X's are both on Horvat's wing.

I watch both teams so and know Benning knows the Bruins system so I was looking for the best fit and when you sit and watch the two players you'd understand how I'd see the Heinen Horvat match but I understand your lack of interest as he isn't what every team wants to say; 'we moved _____ and ______ to get a solid upgrade on Horvat's line.'

For me, I did the same search for across the NHL for one for one's.

Cheers

 

[M2Beezy]

Replace Schiller for Virtanen and you may have a deal.

Maybe.

Virtanen has WAY more value than Schaller so that makes no sense bub

Trying to get CLOSER to a deal, not FURTHER away

 

[Mr Plow]

I'm not sold on Dahlen either but I'm also not sold on JFK, Donato or Bjork yet as none have made that next step in forcing their teams to keep them up with the big clubs. I'd be surprised to see them split up Pettersson and Boeser. Dahlen with them could be good in a couple years if you see him making the jump. If that happens then the two X's are both on Horvat's wing.

I watch both teams so and know Benning knows the Bruins system so I was looking for the best fit and when you sit and watch the two players you'd understand how I'd see the Heinen Horvat match but I understand your lack of interest as he isn't what every team wants to say; 'we moved _____ and ______ to get a solid upgrade on Horvat's line.'

For me, I did the same search for across the NHL for one for one's.

Cheers

I don't think the Canucks are going to trade Virtanen anytime soon. He was Benning's first pick and Jim's going to ride or die with him.

What do you think Heinen is worth right now in draft capital?

 

[Coach Parker]

I don't think the Canucks are going to trade Virtanen anytime soon. He was Benning's first pick and Jim's going to ride or die with him.

What do you think Heinen is worth right now in draft capital?

Hmm. That's a real tough one. I know Benning isn't parting with and picks this year as they are hosting the draft so you'd think a protected (exempt from top 20 pick) 1st in the 2020 draft would be the value for a 40 point winger. This years draft is deep enough to say a 2nd (above where he was drafted) but again, I see Benning making every pick possible in 2019.

I'd go the other route; offersheet the kid to come home and make it in the 2nd round in the 2020 draft range (2-4 million per) and force the Bruins to match or walk.

I see a one for one more realistic if another prospect in Vancouver emerges but can't crack the 2nd line like Virtanen's projection has played out. Maybe a straight up for Gaudette (MA native) if he continues to progress? Heinen goes home to Vancouver and Gaudette goes home to Boston?

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Hmm. That's a real tough one. I know Benning isn't parting with and picks this year as they are hosting the draft so you'd think a protected (exempt from top 20 pick) 1st in the 2020 draft would be the value for a 40 point winger. This years draft is deep enough to say a 2nd (above where he was drafted) but again, I see Benning making every pick possible in 2019.

I'd go the other route; offersheet the kid to come home and make it in the 2nd round in the 2020 draft range (2-4 million per) and force the Bruins to match or walk.

I see a one for one more realistic if another prospect in Vancouver emerges but can't crack the 2nd line like Virtanen's projection has played out. Maybe a straight up for Gaudette (MA native) if he continues to progress? Heinen goes home to Vancouver and Gaudette goes home to Boston?

I would be very against moving Gauds. His defensive game is already really strong and he showed some nice flashes on offense despite garbage linemates. I think he's gonna be literally the perfect 3C behind Bo and Petey. Considering our prospect depth at C is fairly weak too, someone like Madden would really have to come on strong before we'd consider dealing Adam.

 

[Coach Parker]

I would be very against moving Gauds. His defensive game is already really strong and he showed some nice flashes on offense despite garbage linemates. I think he's gonna be literally the perfect 3C behind Bo and Petey. Considering our prospect depth at C is fairly weak too, someone like Madden would really have to come on strong before we'd consider dealing Adam.

Again, agree and see him as part of the future. The more I look and talk to others about the future in Vancouver the more it looks like the best piece for finding Horvat a winger is in moving Virtanen or signing one and we really can't like Benning's track record there.

 

[compan]

This would be a bad deal for Boston. Vancouver just gets the best of this deal by a mile. Boston does not need more 4th liners and they aren't going to give up better players to get those 4th line players that they don't need. Sutter and Schaller are both overpaid as well.

Idk, our front office loves 4th line players. So much so we actually have 2 4th lines right now.

 

[Mr Plow]

Hmm. That's a real tough one. I know Benning isn't parting with and picks this year as they are hosting the draft so you'd think a protected (exempt from top 20 pick) 1st in the 2020 draft would be the value for a 40 point winger. This years draft is deep enough to say a 2nd (above where he was drafted) but again, I see Benning making every pick possible in 2019.

I'd go the other route; offersheet the kid to come home and make it in the 2nd round in the 2020 draft range (2-4 million per) and force the Bruins to match or walk.

I see a one for one more realistic if another prospect in Vancouver emerges but can't crack the 2nd line like Virtanen's projection has played out. Maybe a straight up for Gaudette (MA native) if he continues to progress? Heinen goes home to Vancouver and Gaudette goes home to Boston?

Thanks for the reply. Ideally I would love to see guys like Goldobin, Sutter, and Gudbranson moved for picks at the deadline/draft. If Benning purged the deadweight for multiple 3rds/4ths I would have no problem trading our ~40th overall for Heinen.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Gaudette, Hughes, EP40, Boeser, Horvat, the three goalies. I also like Woo and Lind. All of these guys we'd both agree are part of the future and along with the 1st round pick (and any other draft picks this year) aren't available. They are part of the future in Vancouver.

It's the current NHL talent on the roster outside of these guys that I believe don't hold much value at all to other teams. Goldobin can't even keep in the lineup. Same for Baertschi. Virtanen was sat before the break but I believe that was Green's tough love approach and wanting him to get back to playing a more determined game.

Do you as a fan see Sven, Goldobin or Virtanen as the real solid answer on Horvat's line? Or are they stopgaps until a legitimate winger or prospect emerges?

Sven maybe, hes absolutely capable of 20+ goals, and he has chemistry with Bo. He's a secondary guy, but his only problem is staying healthy. (Which has been a problem). I'm worried this could be the end of his career TBH, and agree we absolutely need to find another winger(s) ASAP.

Its too bad for him he's improved/rounded out his game since coming over from the Flames, he's a good player.

 

[elitepete]

The price for Virtanen is Carlo or Debrusk. Heinen doesn’t get it done unless you add.

 

[Mr Plow]

The price for Virtanen is Carlo or Debrusk. Heinen doesn’t get it done unless you add.

Come on man don't be silly. You can just say he's not available. Throwing out names like that just makes us look bad.

 

[elitepete]

Come on man don't be silly. You can just say he's not available. Throwing out names like that just makes us look bad.

That has been stated a million times and they don’t listen.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Again, agree and see him as part of the future. The more I look and talk to others about the future in Vancouver the more it looks like the best piece for finding Horvat a winger is in moving Virtanen or signing one and we really can't like Benning's track record there.

Yes and no. Benning has been pretty good at drafting and trades (save Gudbranson) but yeah his free agent moves have been brutal with the exception of Roussel. And I guess if we wanna count MacEwen as an UDFA.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

The price for Virtanen is Carlo or Debrusk. Heinen doesn’t get it done unless you add.

Good grief... Talk about overvaluing the f*** out of a player. Virtanen, bottom 6 superstar, is now worth Carlo (top 4 defenseman) or DeBrusk (top 6 forward)? Lol....... 56 points in 196 games played = 0.29 PPG.... High end 4th line production, but you think that's worth top roster type players?

 

[elitepete]

Good grief... Talk about overvaluing the **** out of a player. Virtanen, bottom 6 superstar, is now worth Carlo (top 4 defenseman) or DeBrusk (top 6 forward)? Lol....... 56 points in 196 games played = 0.29 PPG.... High end 4th line production, but you think that's worth top roster type players?

That’s what it would take. Never said whether it’s worth it for the Bruins or not. We see Virtanen as a top 6 forward going forward.

 

[Cupless44]

Virtanen for danton is a fair square deal.

Big no thanks. 22 year old physical player, one of faster players in NHL. Shades of Neely blunder all over again. Patience is required on Virtanen. Even now, he has more goals than Heinen.