Confirmed with Link: [VAN/WIN] Canucks acquire 2022 3rd Round Pick for D Nate Schmidt

[Fatass]

For shits and giggles…Schmidt, Rathbone and a 3rd round pick for Jones. Add a conditional 1st rounder if Jones re-signs.

Way too much. No way the Twins allow Benning to make that bad a trade. That makes Schmidt a cap dump.

 

[NotAVacuumSalesman]

6 pages to read through. Yikes

Was he not a good fit with the system or does Jim want a newer, shinier toy to play with?

EDIT: Woops, thought this was the main board.

 

[Canucker]

Way too much. No way the Twins allow Benning to make that bad a trade. That makes Schmidt a cap dump.

Disagree. Schmidt isn’t necessarily a cap dump, he’s just a devalued asset meant as a reasonable cap swap…if you traded him alone you might get a 3rd rounder back…MAYBE a 2nd. So it would basically be Rathbone and 2 3rds for an unsigned Jones…I don’t think that’s too unreasonable.

 

[Fatass]

Disagree. Schmidt isn’t necessarily a cap dump, he’s just a devalued asset meant as a reasonable cap swap…if you traded him alone you might get a 3rd rounder back…MAYBE a 2nd. So it would basically be Rathbone and 2 3rds for an unsigned Jones…I don’t think that’s too unreasonable.

That’s fair, but no way is a first fair.
Schmidt, Bone and a second

 

[Canucker]

That’s fair, but no way is a first fair.
Schmidt, Bone and a second

I’m not suggesting trading the #9 pick, but trading a conditional 2022 1st rounder if he re-signs with Van.

 

[Fatass]

I’m not suggesting trading the #9 pick, but trading a conditional 2022 1st rounder if he re-signs with Van.

Then why include Bone? Just make it Schmidt plus our 2022 first?
That’s a first and like a third for an unsigned Jones. Seems fair, no? (Is Schmidt actually worth the third we paid for him right now?)

 

[Interior Cascadian]

What are the odds Vancouver exposes him in the ED?

 

[Gstank]

What are the odds Vancouver exposes him in the ED?

-100%

 

[Nucker101]

I heard they wanted Hog and the 9th as a starting point..

Wouldn’t trade either of those straight up for him

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

While true on the surface I’ve heard multiple agents talk about how it’s not actually a big deal. There are tax laws in Canada that are easily used by the wealthy that protects the money and they don’t end up paying anything more.

I’d love to tell you what they are but I’m not that wealthy…

Travel is generally a bigger concern regarding life out West. Particularly for the Western Canadian teams.

 

[Interior Cascadian]

-100%

Initially what I thought too, but with a lot of teams pinching pennies I wonder if dumping his salary becomes a bigger priority than trying to recapture some value. As a Kraken/ex-Canucks fan I’d say Schmidt’s the most ideal candidate who could semi-reasonably be exposed. Selling low (presumably lower than the 3rd they paid to get him) vs. protecting a guy like Mac makes me think it’s possible.

For the record, I think shopping him after only one year is too much of a snap judgment.

 

[Canucker]

Then why include Bone? Just make it Schmidt plus our 2022 first?
That’s a first and like a third for an unsigned Jones. Seems fair, no? (Is Schmidt actually worth the third we paid for him right now?)

i don’t think Columbus bites on that for Jones…I’d prefer to include Juolevi over Rathbone, but not sure that gets it done.

 

[RebuildinVan]

6 pages to read through. Yikes

Was he not a good fit with the system or does Jim want a newer, shinier toy to play with?

EDIT: Woops, thought this was the main board.

In order for him to be a bad fit for the system...there would have to be a system in the first place

 

[flying v 604]

Edler Brisebois Rathbone LD next year? what could go wrong? Dare I even look at the RD with no Schmidt?

This is just so pathetic.

Oh wait we are gonna get OEL! Problem solved.

Your forgetting Hughes and Joulevi and Nate plays on the right side. I get it you hate the GM and coach but at least spread facts not garbage. You are a mod right?

 

[ProstheticConscience]

i don’t think Columbus bites on that for Jones…I’d prefer to include Juolevi over Rathbone, but not sure that gets it done.

Much as one would prefer to eat a hotdog instead of a dog turd...

 

[flying v 604]

Did Benning not just say Schmidt didn't request a trade and didn't know where those rumors came from?

I'd take this with a grain of salt. But if it's true.. screw Schmidt if he's going to let one stupid covid season be his decision maker. Send him to Buffalo.

This "reporter is a hack" it sounds like the rumour that was squashed by both Nate and Benning being regurgitated.
Not surprised to see the Anti-Benning crowd (not you) out in full force with their pitchforks just like when another hack reported Ian was 100% not coming back.
We are one of the few team's that don't use the media and it pisses them off, I honestly doubt this and it reminds me of the BS rumour about Brock last year.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

I shake my head at this approach. You choose to use as evidence that leadership is an issue by pointing to the fact that Virtanen is an idiot, Schmidt wants to leave after a year living in isolation (and we don't know he wants to leave), and "All the Gaudette stuff"? What Gaudette stuff?

Leadership may very well be an issue, and there may be a problem in the room; but these examples you used are backwards. I would say that Virtanen behaviour not being accepted by leadership, that Schmidt past behavioural challenges potentially not fitting into this room, and that Gaudette not fitting in may actually speak well of this leadership group rather than the other way around.

"Nobody wants to be here" is a significant stretch. There are clearly many many players who state they want to be here, including guys they let go recently, like Tanev, Tofoli, and Stetcher!?!

But maybe I just fell into your trap of trying to evoke a reaction to one of your posts.

Clearly my work here is done.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

just like when another hack reported Ian was 100% not coming back.

When did this happen? I read numerous reports stating it was unlikely Clarke was coming back, but I don't recall any stating it with absolute certainty (although that didn't stop some folks from assuming as much.)

We are one of the few team's that don't use the media and it pisses them off

What do you mean by this?

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

This "reporter is a hack" it sounds like the rumour that was squashed by both Nate and Benning being regurgitated.
Not surprised to see the Anti-Benning crowd (not you) out in full force with their pitchforks just like when another hack reported Ian was 100% not coming back.
We are one of the few team's that don't use the media and it pisses them off, I honestly doubt this and it reminds me of the BS rumour about Brock last year.
Sadly it doesn't stop the toxic crowd from spreading shit and getting jabs in.

Ok Jimbo.

Calm down.

Shitty Schmidty could still get traded.

 

[Slapshot_11]

Still can't believe we could've had tanev, tofu, cheap backup instead of virt, holtby and nate

 

[VanJack]

There's a disturbing pattern here. The Canucks acquire a d-man or sign one in free agency, who comes from an organization where he was at least a serviceable d-man.

But as soon as they don a Canucks uni and get out of the ice, they revert to being raw rookies. The turnovers, poor positioning and coverage mistakes just seem to mushroom. It really doesn't matter who it is: Schmidt, Hamonic, Benn, Myers, Gudbranson, Sbisa or Fantenberg....they all slowly but surely regress.

I'm convinced that Green's defensive structure is so bad, we could trade for a Norris Trophy winner, and he'd be reduced to a turnover machine in short order.

So I really don't understand the Schmidt trade talk at all. Anybody they replace him with wouldn't be any better in the end.

 

[lawrence]

It might a cap dump and try to see if we can use that cap room else where type of move. Hank did say players should out play their contracts. Nate Schmidt was anything but a liability. He’s a good solid 2nd pairing guy and that’s it. I think he is better than he is. 5,8 million for a 2nd pairing dman is not economical. The sedins played for a cap system that justifies that players salaries and I feel they want to have environment starting today!

I think the sedins do feel that a 5.8 mill dman should be a solid top 3 dman is versatile can play offensive defense and the whole 9 yards. Schmidt is not an offensive dman by no means. Overpaid let’s see what we can get for him try to weaponize juolevi and rathybone, give them the opportunity to develop and see if they cab become special players, (Raymond burrows Kessler example of guys who were raised from ashes) and continue with that philosophy of developing guys. Of course make smart ufa signings when the time comes get rid of the bad contracts and go forward.

 

[brock hughes007]

For f***s sake. The issue isn't Schmidt, it's this atrocious system. Every defensemen that comes here immediately performs worse.

Jimbo being an obtuse moron again, no surprise. Type of guy to put a bandaid on a flesh wound.

totally agree,,its the system. Also Baumgartner is the defense coach,who is total garbage.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

This "reporter is a hack" it sounds like the rumour that was squashed by both Nate and Benning being regurgitated.
Not surprised to see the Anti-Benning crowd (not you) out in full force with their pitchforks just like when another hack reported Ian was 100% not coming back.
We are one of the few team's that don't use the media and it pisses them off, I honestly doubt this and it reminds me of the BS rumour about Brock last year.

Uhhhhh...what?

 

[xtra]

Your forgetting Hughes and Joulevi and Nate plays on the right side. I get it you hate the GM and coach but at least spread facts not garbage. You are a mod right?

well he’s not wrong. Hughes and OJ on the right side is pretty terrible; neither of them can play defense well