Confirmed with Link: [VAN/WIN] Canucks acquire 2022 3rd Round Pick for D Nate Schmidt

[kcunac]

Schmidt is a 2 way D who likes to join the rush and pinch. Problem is Hughes and Rathbone are even more one dimensional, which leaves Schmidt playing hard minutes. Myers is also an offensive defensiveman who has been miscast due to his size and ability to clear the crease. We need to bring in three guys who can move the puck but be overall solid defensive defenseman to let our guys thrive. Smarter to do this then move our offensive D as they generally have more value and are harder to acquire. Guys like Larsson, McCabe, Poolman, Tanev, should be on our radar to support and insulate our D. Too bad Myers kind of sucks both at offence and defenece, but putting him on the 3rd pair with a reasonable LD playing limited minutes and no special teams would do wonders, oh yes, Edler, OEL, and Keith are not the answer. too old and too slow.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Taxation is an essentially political act.

Commenting on taxation is therefore political commentary, by logical extension.

You can't introduce the notion that contract negotiations are impacted by tax rates, and then claim there's "nothing political" about the impact tax rates have on said contract negotiations.

At best, you can argue it's tangential, rather than political. You're also assuming that NHL players are of the same political mindset that "Taxes are bad." I don't think that's a fair assumption to make, unless you've got data to the contrary.

My larger point is that if HF has a stated policy of "no politics" then that also means restricting posts that endorse the status quo. Endorsing the status quo is not the same thing as being neutral or non-political.

It's easier to respect a policy that is both objective and neutral than one that is not.

This is complete nonsense. The "no politic" policy has nothing to do with tax rates and how that impacts a player's desire to play in specific markets. It isn't even political to begin with but a simple fact some teams have an easier time attracting FAs because they have lower tax rates, thus the player makes more money.

 

[Jyrki21]

Rumors of Schmidt wanting out have been around for quite a while, you can’t really pin their accuracy to this one guy mentioning it now.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

This is complete nonsense. The "no politic" policy has nothing to do with tax rates and how that impacts a player's desire to play in specific markets. It isn't even political to begin with but a simple fact some teams have an easier time attracting FAs because they have lower tax rates, thus the player makes more money.

Agreed, discussing a players preference for playing in a territory that has unique tax laws is total fair game...Players have all sorts of preferences... big US cities, small cities,..being recognized, anonymity etc....Has nothing to do with 'politics'.

 

[RandV]

At least they only had to give up a 3rd to get him.

Whatever happens it won't be an epic failure like the Gudbranson trade.

I think when you look at the big picture it's up there. Beyond the cost of acquisition you have to factor in the cap hit as well, in a summer when we lost a handful of good players due to cap constraints. It's more like Tanev/Stecher/3rd for Schmidt. Also, it looked like an amazing deal at the time from the perspective of the value Schmidt had brought to Vegas. He wasn't really bad but was underwhelming in a Vancouver uniform.

I see two ways this can be salvaged. #1 keep Schmidt and see him bounce back to more the dman he was for Vegas and Washington, or #2 trade him and use the return or at least the cap space to create a more effective blue line. With Benning's track record #2 seems highly unlikely, and if these rumours are true it's far more likely he just bungles the situation up even more.

 

[F A N]

It must have been a tough year for an outdoorsy guy like Schmidt. It’s not like he hasn’t been a good fit though. He didn’t have a great year but he was playing with Edler as the team’s shutdown duo. I like him and would rather trade Myers instead.

With that said, we can’t possibly get less than the 3rd round pick we gave up for him right?

 

[settinguptheplay]

"we’re told he is on the block"

Told by who? I have seen too many rumours that turn out to be just that. A rumour. Just more fuel for the outrage machine. I will comment when this has real legs. Until then we may as well comment on the rumour that Hughes is asking for an 8 year 20 million dollar per year contract.

 

[rypper]

I don't think Dave Pagnotta is a great source. Irfan Gaffar is pretty keyed into the team though.

I think it's foolish to trade Schmidt already, but I'd definitely want to move on from one of our 6m defenders.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Benning said in his press release a few weeks back that he spoke to Schmidt..who has no idea where these rumours originate..So who knows what up?

 

[rypper]

I mean GMS don't always tell the truth.

 

[Fatass]

I don't think Dave Pagnotta is a great source. Irfan Gaffar is pretty keyed into the team though.

I think it's foolish to trade Schmidt already, but I'd definitely want to move on from one of our 6m defenders.

If we can trade Schmidt for a forward who will contribute to our top six, and is on a similar contract might be what Benning is up to.

 

[DFAC]

If we can trade Schmidt for a forward who will contribute to our top six, and is on a similar contract might be what Benning is up to.

Schmidt for Tyler Johnson?

 

[geebster]

0 reason to believe this rumour. If it's true I'm sure there are a good number of teams that could use a legit top 4 RHD. Whether those teams are on the 10 NTC list is something we cant know. Speculating too much over a rumour isnt worth it though, we have heard too much shit like Hughes being on an IV etc to believe this on face value.

 

[Hoglander]

So the Blue Jackets want a dman+, in return for Jones?

 

[David Bruce Banner]

I mean GMS don't always tell the truth.

So, Jim has a terrible poker face... unless he's talking to Canuck fans?

 

[WhiteCurse]

So the Blue Jackets want a dman+, in return for Jones?

So Benning is gonna slap the 9th to Schmidt

 

[xtra]

"we’re told he is on the block"

Told by who? I have seen too many rumours that turn out to be just that. A rumour. Just more fuel for the outrage machine. I will comment when this has real legs. Until then we may as well comment on the rumour that Hughes is asking for an 8 year 20 million dollar per year contract.

then why did you comment here to dispute the rumor?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

So Benning is gonna slap the 9th to Schmidt

You might be on to something there.....?

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

You might be on to something there.....?

I would be down with trading Scmidtt for Jones but most certainly not including the 9th overall pick

Jones for the 9th overall is close to a complete trade

 

[Canucker]

For shits and giggles…Schmidt, Rathbone and a 3rd round pick for Jones. Add a conditional 1st rounder if Jones re-signs.

 

[WhiteCurse]

You might be on to something there.....?

Haha I hope not

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I would be down with trading Scmidtt for Jones but most certainly not including the 9th overall pick

Jones for the 9th overall is close to a complete trade

I heard they wanted Hog and the 9th as a starting point..

 

[Fatass]

I would be down with trading Scmidtt for Jones but most certainly not including the 9th overall pick

Jones for the 9th overall is close to a complete trade

I think the ideà is Schmidt has to go the other way so we can afford Jones’ contract, and not really as an equal asset.

 

[Fatass]

I heard they wanted Hog and the 9th as a starting point..

We need Hogs. Have to be Schmidt plus 9OA plus a b prospect for Jones and their second.

 

[tantalum]

Nothing 'political' about this....it's just a fact. Personal income taxes in places like Florida, Nevada and Arizona are substantially less then they are in Canada. It's one of the reasons why some NHL players negotiate NTC's that list Canadian teams as 'no trade' destinations. That's just the reality of life in the NHL.

While true on the surface I’ve heard multiple agents talk about how it’s not actually a big deal. There are tax laws in Canada that are easily used by the wealthy that protects the money and they don’t end up paying anything more.

I’d love to tell you what they are but I’m not that wealthy…