Confirmed with Link: [VAN/Pit] Vincent Desharnais, Danton Heinen, Melvin Fernstrom, & 1st (NYR) for Marcus Pettersson (LD) & Drew O'Connor (W)

[Ninjadude]

It's like the Canucks have the monopoly on Pettersons!!

 

[arttk]

Digesting this.

O’Connor and Pettersson are both solid players. They’re also both pending UFAs.

If they’ve done their homework, got permission to talk to Pettersson‘s agent, and a 4-5 year extension at reasonable $ is incoming, fair enough.

If we don’t sign these guys, don’t make the playoffs, and then they walk … it’s a debacle.

Clearing a couple contracts for non-contributors is a plus.

Considering the history, will be surprising if we don’t end up signing MP

 

[Spectrefire]

I just don't see how you can look at our forward group and think it's playoff caliber. But I like your positive outlook on the matter and gonna wait and see how this team performs. I'm just really not thrilled from an early viewpoint.

The foward group is definitely week, but I also don't think they're done building it out yet.

 

[pitseleh]

Some quotes from Rutherford in the Athletic:

“That’s a good question,” Rutherford said about midnight ET. “It’s been a trying season, to say the least. To be honest, we’re in a fight just to make the playoffs right now. But, we are building for the stretch run. And the thing is, we’re also building for the future as well. We’re building moving forward.”
…

“We had to give up something to get him, but Marcus is one heck of a defenseman,” Rutherford said. “I traded for him when I was in Pittsburgh, and I’m very happy with how that one turned out. I traded Daniel Sprong for him, and I can still remember people saying, ‘How on earth can you trade Daniel Sprong for this guy?’ Well, I’m pretty darn happy with how that worked out. How good did that trade work out? And here we are again. We need an upgrade, and he’s going to give us that. I know that he will.”
…
“He’s just what we need, in my opinion,” Rutherford said. “You know what he is? He’s just a very, very steady defensive defenseman. You need to have guys like that if you want to win in this league. And he’s one of the really good ones.”
…

“Talk about a character guy,” Rutherford said. “One of my favorites. We know that we’re getting one heck of a good guy to go along with the fact that he’s one heck of a good hockey player.”

Jim Rutherford explains why Canucks traded for Marcus Pettersson: ‘We’re building moving forward’

Rutherford isn't sure whether his Canucks are good enough to be contenders, but he's sure they needed Pettersson from the Penguins.

www.nytimes.com

Still feel like these guys get myopia over some players but Pettersson should be a good add.

 

[Bgav]

Digesting this.

O’Connor and Pettersson are both solid players. They’re also both pending UFAs.

If they’ve done their homework, got permission to talk to Pettersson‘s agent, and a 4-5 year extension at reasonable $ is incoming, fair enough.

If we don’t sign these guys, don’t make the playoffs, and then they walk … it’s a debacle.

Clearing a couple contracts for non-contributors is a plus.

What are your thoughts about flipping the rangers pick ?

 

[MikeK]

I like it when looking at it as the overall bigger Miller trade. Miller and that toxicity plus his disgusting contract out in return for a top pairing Dman and some extra speed and youth on the rush is fine by me. I think the Canucks are a better team than they were this morning when I got up. I don't think people realize how much easier it's going to be for the team to show up to work now. When a team has a player like Miller and his toxicity around there are few who want to be around and it makes coming to work a drag. There is a reason people use the word cancer.

 

[Spectrefire]

Some quotes from Rutherford in the Athletic:

“That’s a good question,” Rutherford said about midnight ET. “It’s been a trying season, to say the least. To be honest, we’re in a fight just to make the playoffs right now. But, we are building for the stretch run. And the thing is, we’re also building for the future as well. We’re building moving forward.”
…

“We had to give up something to get him, but Marcus is one heck of a defenseman,” Rutherford said. “I traded for him when I was in Pittsburgh, and I’m very happy with how that one turned out. I traded Daniel Sprong for him, and I can still remember people saying, ‘How on earth can you trade Daniel Sprong for this guy?’ Well, I’m pretty darn happy with how that worked out. How good did that trade work out? And here we are again. We need an upgrade, and he’s going to give us that. I know that he will.”
…
“He’s just what we need, in my opinion,” Rutherford said. “You know what he is? He’s just a very, very steady defensive defenseman. You need to have guys like that if you want to win in this league. And he’s one of the really good ones.”
…

“Talk about a character guy,” Rutherford said. “One of my favorites. We know that we’re getting one heck of a good guy to go along with the fact that he’s one heck of a good hockey player.”

Jim Rutherford explains why Canucks traded for Marcus Pettersson: ‘We’re building moving forward’

Rutherford isn't sure whether his Canucks are good enough to be contenders, but he's sure they needed Pettersson from the Penguins.

www.nytimes.com

Still feel like these guys get myopia over some players but Pettersson should be a good add.

The part about building for the future seems to basically confirm their goal was to add a good partner for Willander next season.

 

[Nuckles]

I just don't see how you can look at our forward group and think it's playoff caliber. But I like your positive outlook on the matter and gonna wait and see how this team performs. I'm just really not thrilled from an early viewpoint.

This forward group is kind of f***ed, especially with Petey playing like a mediocre 2nd line center for the better part of a year now.

The forward setup worked because there were two 1st line centers, so they could get away with having some non-top 6 wingers playing with them. They either need to magically come up with a high end center or trade for a couple 2nd line forwards.

Also it doesn't help they lost their best faceoff guy by a mile, and are left with one decent faceoff guy (Blueger) and 3 weak faceoff guys (Petey, Suter, Chytil)

 

[Spectrefire]

It's like the Canucks have the monopoly on Pettersons!!

We literally have all the Petterssons currently in the NHL right now.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Some quotes from Rutherford in the Athletic:

“That’s a good question,” Rutherford said about midnight ET. “It’s been a trying season, to say the least. To be honest, we’re in a fight just to make the playoffs right now. But, we are building for the stretch run. And the thing is, we’re also building for the future as well. We’re building moving forward.”
…

“We had to give up something to get him, but Marcus is one heck of a defenseman,” Rutherford said. “I traded for him when I was in Pittsburgh, and I’m very happy with how that one turned out. I traded Daniel Sprong for him, and I can still remember people saying, ‘How on earth can you trade Daniel Sprong for this guy?’ Well, I’m pretty darn happy with how that worked out. How good did that trade work out? And here we are again. We need an upgrade, and he’s going to give us that. I know that he will.”
…
“He’s just what we need, in my opinion,” Rutherford said. “You know what he is? He’s just a very, very steady defensive defenseman. You need to have guys like that if you want to win in this league. And he’s one of the really good ones.”
…

“Talk about a character guy,” Rutherford said. “One of my favorites. We know that we’re getting one heck of a good guy to go along with the fact that he’s one heck of a good hockey player.”

Jim Rutherford explains why Canucks traded for Marcus Pettersson: ‘We’re building moving forward’

Rutherford isn't sure whether his Canucks are good enough to be contenders, but he's sure they needed Pettersson from the Penguins.

www.nytimes.com

Still feel like these guys get myopia over some players but Pettersson should be a good add.

Why's this read like a politician we all know

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Don't really have any desire to keep Boeser if he's not moving off his 8m x 8 demand.

Would much rather move him for picks and try to chase Ehlers.

i love boeser but in eight years i’m not sure he will even have legs anymore. he’ll just be a gorgeous marble bust bolted to a chain that hughes has to tow around the ice

 

[vancityluongo]

On the downside, this management inherited 3 borderline 1C centers, and now we only have one. Cap space is nice and all, but the free agent crop next year up front looks putrid (there's no way Marner & Rantanen are making it to free agency, nevermind signing here).

but on the upside, they inherited one top pairing defenseman, who was the only playable defenseman on the team, and now they have three guys capable of playing top pairing minutes (and have developed that one inherited defenseman into a hart-level player who is the best defenseman in the league)

you can jam a pius suter in as a top-6 forward as a stop gap for an entire season, but you cannot jam the defenseman equivalent in for very long. they found that out this season, and have effectively fixed that (assuming extension) with this trade

not that jfresh cards are the barometer of truth, but to compare to the one posted above, this is what ekholm's looked like this time two years ago:


pettersson was called ekholm-lite by some smart folks on this board not that long ago. if he can age even half as well, this is a massive win. even if he can't, i absolutely get the upside and why allvin would make this bet

 

[Hooz]

Don’t know why everyone keeps bringing up the Hronek deal, that was a uniquely great trade. It’s not every day that you can bring in a 26 yo top 4 dman for a mid first. I find it hard to believe that management made this deal without having a pretty good idea they can get Pettersson signed to an extension, and if they can this deal is a no brainer.

 

[ahmon]

I watched Pettersson quite closely, he's good defensively. That stick in his own zone reminded me of old Willie Mitchell.

There's a reason I was furious when we blew assets on Lindholm last year, because I wanted the canucks to acquire Marcus Pettersson and Tanev. IMO two of the better "defenders" in the league. Would have really bolstered our defense.

Having Hughes, probably the best offensive dman in the world, best transition dman, having 2 rocks behind him is how you build a winner.

The question is obvious how much it will cost to extend him.

 

[VanJack]

Now we see what happens with Boeser. I guess all signs point to a trade but if they move him how are they going to score?

Lekkerimaki has a great shot but doesn't have the strength/boardwork/forechecking ability exc. to replace him. And I don't know if there are any real options in FA.

I think they should try to re-sign Brock.

Unless Boeser is prepared to take hair-cut in his next deal to stay in Vancouver, he's as good as gone. Canucks just can't play him the $8m a season he'd probably be asking for.

Actually when you break down the two deals, I didn't realize that both Heinen and Desharnais had signed 'two year' deals last summer.......so getting out from under the extra year on the contracts for basically two useless players, is a bonus.

And both the incoming Marcus Pettersson and Drew O'Connor are impending UFA's. So the Canucks are gaining a ton of cap flexibility. Maybe they could take a serious run at Rantanen or Marner?

 

[Rowlet]

The Canucks have a f*** ton of cap space for next year, it's like 30m in space

They got rid of like 12.5m in this deal

 

[Baby Pettersson]

This forward group is kind of f***ed, especially with Petey playing like a mediocre 2nd line center for the better part of a year now.

The forward setup worked because there were two 1st line centers, so they could get away with having some non-top 6 wingers playing with them. They either need to magically come up with a high end center or trade for a couple 2nd line forwards.

Also it doesn't help they lost their best faceoff guy and are left with one decent faceoff guy (Blueger) and 3 weak faceoff guys (Petey, Suter, Chytil)

Bingo. And we don't exactly have alot to work with to acquire these said pieces. Which again is why I'm just very confused on what the plan is. Purgatory is what it looks like to me.

 

[Canucks LB]

I don't know where to put this, Ill just put it in both Threads. ( Assuming we Sign 3Petey)

Hughes - Willander
3Petey - Hronek
DPetey / Soucy - Myers - Mancini

That's a pretty amazing core of youth and talent honestly.
Need to slowly get rid of Myers and Soucy and find another D to finish it off, but I really love the makeup.
Also you can Play Hronek with Quinn of course and move Willander down.

 

[sting101]

Terrible trades

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

We have the cap space to make a reasonable offer plus multiple Swedes in the room, Allvin in the GM's seat, and the Sedins on the coaching staff. Really hard to imagine an extension doesn't get done.

we lost lindholm to boston

otoh maybe he really really hated jt miller too

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Getting out of 4.5m for next year is somewhat win I guess. Although I wasn't a fan of either contract in the first place.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Unless Boeser is prepared to take hair-cut in his next deal to stay in Vancouver, he's as good as gone. Canucks just can't play him the $8m a season he'd probably be asking for.

Actually when you break down the two deals, I didn't realize that both Heinen and Desharnais had signed 'two year' deals last summer.......so getting out from under the extra year on the contracts for basically two useless players, is a bonus.

And both the incoming Marcus Pettersson and Drew O'Connor are impending UFA's. So the Canucks are gaining a ton of cap flexibility. Maybe they could take a serious run at Rantanen or Marner?

8M isn't awful for Boeser given rising cap, bigger issue is the term.

Marner & Rantanen are going to be very pricey. I doubt either would come here for different reasons.

 

[Spectrefire]

i love boeser but in eight years i’m not sure he will even have legs anymore. he’ll just be a gorgeous marble bust bolted to a chain that hughes has to tow around the ice

 

[sting101]

We are the Yotes with Quinn Hughes
soft middling team

 

[Rowlet]

Bingo. And we don't exactly have alot to work with to acquire these said pieces. Which again is why I'm just very confused on what the plan is. Purgatory is what it looks like to me.

The plan is to stay competitive until they can re-sign Hughes